Can u say Quagmire?

[ProPokerPlayer]

As made up by myself just days ago...Obama plans to send every able bodied person he can find to Afghan to be slaughtered. They will begin testing the waters by saying he's being "advised" to do so....He is but by George Soros not anybody with an actual interest in America....We are so fucked by this pure idiot . I swear to GOD if i didnt have kids and grandkids this would be the funniest fucking shit ever, i love that all these ignorant people fell for this clucker....You all are getting exactly what you deserve for being so damn stupid, ignorant and uninformed......

Before i post the story i feel like braeking out in a lil song 1st........HEY its time to feel good !!!!!!! Lets Dance!!!!!!!!!

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Advisers Urge Obama to More Than Double Afghan Forces


Aug. 5 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama and top U.S. military commanders are being pressed by senators and civilian advisers to more than double the size of Afghan security forces, a move that would cost billions of dollars.
In letters and face-to-face meetings, the lawmakers and defense officials urged Obama, National Security Advisor Jim Jones and the new U.S. commander in Afghanistan to boost the Afghan National Army and police from current levels of 175,000 to at least 400,000.
“Any further postponement” of a decision to support a surge in Afghan forces will hamper U.S. efforts to quell an insurgency in its eighth year, Senators Joseph Lieberman, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, and Carl Levin, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, wrote to the White House in a July 21 letter obtained by Bloomberg News.

 

[barman]

Since at least fall of 2003, it's been fairly smart advice to counsel anyone you know in the 18-28 year age range that enlisting in the US military is an extremely risky venture to one's health and home.

I had hopes that perhaps my proscription might modify in the coming months, but at the moment I'm sticking with the aforementioned advice whenever I encounter someone in that age group that might be pondering what routes to take in their future.

 

[FalseDmitri]

At least we're actually fighting the "war on terror" now. The right's plan to "win" in 'sthan:

Invade Iraq!

McCain's plan: "muddle through"

Bush's plan: "We're not losing, we're just winning slower."

I hated both candidates, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for the one who claimed that OBL "isn't important" and declared that in Iraq, "there's no history of violence between the Sunni and Shi'a, there' no reason to believe that can't just get along"

 

[Mistermj]

Since at least fall of 2003, it's been fairly smart advice to counsel anyone you know in the 18-28 year age range that enlisting in the US military is an extremely risky venture to one's health and home.

I had hopes that perhaps my proscription might modify in the coming months, but at the moment I'm sticking with the aforementioned advice whenever I encounter someone in that age group that might be pondering what routes to take in their future.

The Military has always been dangerous.

For example...the number of soldier deaths under Clinton far exceeded those under Bush in Iraq.

You can get squished by a truck...sucked into a jet engine...blown up by a jihadi...pushed off a carrier for using a walkman ect.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

You got that info from a chain email and it's complete bullshit, you credulous dope. The dishonesty is overwhelming.

 

[barman]

You got that info from a chain email and it's complete bullshit, you credulous dope. The dishonesty is overwhelming.

It's to the point where responding to the absurdities is truly feeding a troll.

 

[Mistermj]

You got that info from a chain email and it's complete bullshit, you credulous dope. The dishonesty is overwhelming.

No I didn't get it in an email...you just jump to conclusions in a knee jerk manner and fire off insults too easy.

You can look it up yourself on google...just like I did.

It's common knowledge.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Provide the link to your source.

 

[FalseDmitri]

Provide the link to your source.

<center>[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial]Military Losses[/FONT]</center>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial] Claim: U.S. active duty military deaths were higher during the administration of President Clinton than during the administration of George W. Bush.

<noindex> Status: False. </noindex>

Example: [FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial][Collected via e-mail, January 2008][/FONT]
[/FONT]
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/deaths.asp

 

[Mistermj]

<center>[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial]Military Losses[/FONT]</center>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial] Claim: U.S. active duty military deaths were higher during the administration of President Clinton than during the administration of George W. Bush.

<noindex> Status: False. </noindex>

Example: [FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial][Collected via e-mail, January 2008][/FONT]
[/FONT]
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/deaths.asp

It would help if you guys could read.

That isn't what the chart says...:lol:

 

[Mistermj]

Provide the link to your source.

http://www.google.com/

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

At least we're actually fighting the "war on terror" now. The right's plan to "win" in 'sthan:

Invade Iraq!

McCain's plan: "muddle through"

Bush's plan: "We're not losing, we're just winning slower."

I hated both candidates, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for the one who claimed that OBL "isn't important" and declared that in Iraq, "there's no history of violence between the Sunni and Shi'a, there' no reason to believe that can't just get along"

No ground war can be won in Afghanistan ....It simply cannot be done. The only way to defeat them was on an even playing field....that field was Iraq. Its not my fault you guys cant read a map. we are cornered in AFghan with every islamic country on top of us...no matter how many we kill the reinforcements will never stop coming...we cant fight them with air power cus they'll shoot them down as they did the soviets....Thats y all u ever here is drones....helicopter gunships are next to useless...tanks are next to useless. In those mountains its all seek and destroy and they are on their home turf.....
Im telling you he doesnt want to win this war he wants our troops incapacitated....and if i spelled that right its just luck... He cant turn us over to a World Govt with a powerful Army....he needs an Army whipped and ready to fold....

 

[barman]

Provide the link to your source.

Have you figured out yet that Joe Jr abandoned any pretense of serious discussion in our PoliticoPub back in January when he returned after taking a couple months off to avoid the December Kook of the Year campaign?

Now, as someone who enjoys kidding around in here, I can respect when someone else chooses to spoof and take faux positions just to provoke emotional responses.

It just took me a few months to realize that MMJ made a decision to spoof and take faux positions on every topic of discussion which might be raised in here.

Once you realize he's just 100% fucking with the room at large and doesn't honestly believe all the dishonest and misleading posts he himself writes, I think you'll find it easier to ignore.

 

[Mistermj]

No ground war can be won in Afghanistan ....It simply cannot be done. The only way to defeat them was on an even playing field....that field was Iraq. Its not my fault you guys cant read a map. we are cornered in AFghan with every islamic country on top of us...no matter how many we kill the reinforcements will never stop coming...we cant fight them with air power cus they'll shoot them down as they did the soviets....Thats y all u ever here is drones....helicopter gunships are next to useless...tanks are next to useless. In those mountains its all seek and destroy and they are on their home turf.....
Im telling you he doesnt want to win this war he wants our troops incapacitated....and if i spelled that right its just luck... He cant turn us over to a World Govt with a powerful Army....he needs an Army whipped and ready to fold....

That is what Alinsky would instruct him to do...I hate to believe in conspiracies...but what else explains this guys behavior for everything?

 

[FalseDmitri]

It would help if you guys could read.

I see what you're saying, and your chart is meaningless. Apples do not compare to oranges. So, more personnel died outside of Iraq under Clinton than inside Iraq under W. What exactly is the point?

 

[FalseDmitri]

No ground war can be won in Afghanistan ....It simply cannot be done. The only way to defeat them was on an even playing field....that field was Iraq. Its not my fault you guys cant read a map. we are cornered in AFghan with every islamic country on top of us...no matter how many we kill the reinforcements will never stop coming...we cant fight them with air power cus they'll shoot them down as they did the soviets....Thats y all u ever here is drones....helicopter gunships are next to useless...tanks are next to useless. In those mountains its all seek and destroy and they are on their home turf.....
Im telling you he doesnt want to win this war he wants our troops incapacitated....and if i spelled that right its just luck... He cant turn us over to a World Govt with a powerful Army....he needs an Army whipped and ready to fold....

The problem with the right is they never can define "win": We must "win" in Iraq. What does winning mean? It means victory. What is victory in Iraq? Oh, it's winning in Iraq. What is winning in 'sthan? Oh, it's victory. What is victory in 'sthan? It's winning.

We need to stop thinking of the wars in Eye Wrack and 'sthan as "winning" vs "losing." I know a lot of the radio talkshow dudes say that we've already "won" in Iraq. Yet, they have no idea what is actually happening in Iraq. Here's just a couple events of the past few days (violence is grossly under reported, as I'm sure everyone knows)

08/06/09 Reuters: Bomb kills 1 person in Telkeif
08/06/09 Reuters: Roadside bomb wounds 3 children inn Baghdad
08/06/09 AFP: Iraq cabinet approves smoking curbs plan (I know, WTF?)
08/05/09 Reuters: Clashes kill policeman and 2 attackers in Mosul
08/05/09 Reuters: Car bomb kills women in Ramadi
08/05/09 DPA: Five Iraqi policemen killed in Baghdad bomb attack
08/05/09 AFP: Gunmen kidnap 11 pilgrims on way to Iraq festival
08/04/09 BBC: Teenage girl jailed over Iraq bomb attack
08/04/09 TheNation: Blackwater Founder Implicated in Murder
08/04/09 AP: U.S. general in Iraq nixes early pullout plan

So this is winning?

 

[Mistermj]

It would help if you guys could read.

I see what you're saying, and your chart is meaningless. Apples do not compare to oranges. So, more personnel died outside of Iraq under Clinton than inside Iraq under W. What exactly is the point?

So, more personnel died outside of Iraq under Clinton than inside Iraq under W. What exactly is the point?

I was responding to Barman's notion that he finds it good advice since 2003 to tell young people to stay out of the military...it's been very dangerous.

My point was to simply show that in fact...the military is always very dangerous.

Showing a comparison of Clinton's relative "peace time" deaths vs. Bush killed in Iraq deaths does that fairly well in my opinion.

The perspective is interesting...apples and oranges is the point. Either way it's a pretty damn dangerous job.

Knee jerk libs always go nuts over that chart, as you can see from the responses that accused me of all kinds of things that simply were not true.

But thats knee jerk libs for you.

You make a lot of good points...I enjoyed the exchange.

 

[FalseDmitri]

I thought it was a given that serving in the military is by definition dangerous.
hno:

I hate partisans of either party, ie the right is always wrong or the right is always correct, etc.

I'm amazed at ProPokerPlayer's post on the war in 'sthan. Has he ever been in 'shtan? Does he know anybody in 'sthan? :think2:

 

[FalseDmitri]

No ground war can be won in Afghanistan ....It simply cannot be done. The only way to defeat them was on an even playing field....that field was Iraq. Its not my fault you guys cant read a map. we are cornered in AFghan with every islamic country on top of us...no matter how many we kill the reinforcements will never stop coming...we cant fight them with air power cus they'll shoot them down as they did the soviets....Thats y all u ever here is drones....helicopter gunships are next to useless...tanks are next to useless. In those mountains its all seek and destroy and they are on their home turf.....
Im telling you he doesnt want to win this war he wants our troops incapacitated....and if i spelled that right its just luck... He cant turn us over to a World Govt with a powerful Army....he needs an Army whipped and ready to fold....

I'm trying find words to express the ignorance of this post. What are the odds that this guy knows where Herat or Musa Qala is without using google?

 

[Mistermj]

I thought it was a given that serving in the military is by definition dangerous.
hno:

I hate partisans of either party, ie the right is always wrong or the right is always correct, etc.

I'm amazed at ProPokerPlayer's post on the war in 'sthan. Has he ever been in 'shtan? Does he know anybody in 'sthan? :think2:

I thought it was a given that serving in the military is by definition dangerous.
hno:

Yeah...me too...but there was Barman telling us it was somehow different since 2003.

My chart showed it isn't...peacetime or wartime...his advice was a false premise for obvious political reasons.