can somebody remind me how mccain has a chance in hell again?

[gtc08]

was looking at the 2004 election, no way obama loses any of those states kerry/edwards won, and thats 252.

he'll flip iowa easily, thats 259. 11 electoral votes and you guys are telling me he can't win a combo of nevada, new mexico, colorado, ohio, missouri, virginia, florida, north carolina, indiana to get over 270?

 

[bblight]

This is deja vu all over again!

Gore had the 2000 election sewed up, while John Effin Kerry had his inaugaral speech prepared right after the 2004 convention where he "Reported for duty!"

Memory tells me neither got elected!

The Democrats continue to field such piss poor candidates that even the total subjucation and support of the main stream media can't get them into the White House.

Don't count your chicks before the eggs hatch.

 

[gtc08]

so your saying mccain will win nevada, new mexico, colorado, ohio, missouri, virginia, florida, north carolina, indiana.

obama wont lose any of those states kerry won.

mccain is the even weaker candidate. at least alot of people like obama and he can raise some money.

 

[bblight]

I'm saying it ain't over until it's over.

Please note that, for all of the adulation he has been getting in the media, Obama can't build a decent lead over McCain.

Why do you think that is? Could it be that Obama isn't quite as good as they would have you think and the public can sense his weakness.

Tell me this - why are you attracted to such losers? First it was Ron Monnman Paul, and now it's Barrack "is that a halo over his head" Obama.

 

[Willie99]

Well, if you make all the assumptions you choose to make, your candidate will win. I would argue that none of the Southern block will be in play.

Ohio is leaning BO, but MI is very much in play. Right now, those are the two biggest questions.

But it appears the BO perception is much bigger than reality. Despite spending tons more money, despite having much more exposure than McCain during the primary season, despite have a media love affair and being on the cover of a major magazine every week (many multiple covers), despite the rock star coverage of his world tour, despite McCain be 70 years old, despite the fact that Republicans are not passionate about John McCain

this race is incredibly close. That does not bode well for BO.

After the conventions, when BO's slow pitch softball game comes to an end, we'll see who has staying power.


And we won't know if race comes into play until November. Remember, BO polled better than he ballots he won.

 

[gtc08]

obama has alot of the policies i agree with. youthfulness is a big key. america and the world are tired of old white men running the country, and this comes from someone who isn't black so i'm not race playing that.

i honestly think mccain was just thrown out because the GOP had no good candidates. i consider mccain a sacrificial lamb more then anything.

in 1950 a mccain presidency with that demographic and in that time may have worked, not in 2008 though. thats where you see the gap between supporters and money.

 

[gtc08]

Well, if you make all the assumptions you choose to make, your candidate will win. I would argue that none of the Southern block will be in play.

Ohio is leaning BO, but MI is very much in play. Right now, those are the two biggest questions.

But it appears the BO perception is much bigger than reality. Despite spending tons more money, despite having much more exposure than McCain during the primary season, despite have a media love affair and being on the cover of a major magazine every week (many multiple covers), despite the rock star coverage of his world tour, despite McCain be 70 years old, despite the fact that Republicans are not passionate about John McCain

this race is incredibly close. That does not bode well for BO.

After the conventions, when BO's slow pitch softball game comes to an end, we'll see who has staying power.


And we won't know if race comes into play until November. Remember, BO polled better than he ballots he won.

willie, i just dont see any of the 252 not going his way. i know iowa will vote for him. i just dont see how mccain can win everyone of those states. if he loses 1 of those 5 or 6 double digit electoral states he loses.

some people say obama is weak on here. i dont get how you can be weak when you raised the most money ever, got the most votes, and are facing a candidate coming off the worst run ever by a repub. lot of people say this election is 1980. i dont think obama pounds like reagan, but i can't see any scenario at the moment where he gets less than 300 ev.

 

[CarolinaKid]

Mccain will win NC imo but it will be close....ck

 

[koidog]

Not only does McCain have a shot, he'll win.

I mean plenty of Racists Dems voted for HILLARY insted of Obama. They'll have no problem crossing the aisle and voting for the old white guy.

 

[punter]

Why do those STUPID bookies still have Obama at over a -200?

 

[CarolinaKid]

same reason those stupid bookies had the cubs fav around 250 on sat i guess here...ck

 

[punter]

And they will be wrong again but they make a living at it so I would not treat it as an uninformed opinion.

 

[Willie99]

Why do those STUPID bookies still have Obama at over a -200?

because of perception!!!!

do I need to explain this to you?




Who were the big chalk in the primaries? what happened to them?
How big a dog was BO early on?
Isn't McCain done already?
Why did those STUPID bookies make the Pats a 14 point favorite in the SB?

Obviously, this post can go on forever and ever

 

[JoeContrarian]

Obama is the worst nominee since...well I don't know who.

Inexperience, his scumbag 'friends', his narcissistic arrogance, his awful speaking ability when he's off prompter, his Marxist policies, his audacity to change his positions within HOURS depending on who's speaking to...

When the chips are down and the campaign kicks off in earnest, all McCain will have to do is show up because Obama will stumble and contradict himself even worse than he is now.

The difference is, unlike right now, the public will then be paying close attention -- like during the debates.

Right now Obama is receiving 80% of the news coverage and the polls are tightening. Among those politco-junkies (both left and right), he's not wearing well. He just isn't. Even an unapologetic lefty like Rob Funk has admitted as much. That should tell you all you need to know.

I can't believe anyone right of Ted Kennedy would vote for this asshole.

Most Americans will pull the lever for McCain out of pure relief.

Obama is a totally unpalatable, unacceptable choice.

 

[CarolinaKid]

Joe let me say that was a great post and imo a true opinion here as well....ck

 

[Mistermj]

Early POLL, analysis, predict KERRY win
http://michiganimc.org/feature/display/7540/index.php

The results are in, KERRY WINS!
CBS News POLL

KERRY 39
Bush 25
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/13/23957/657

KERRY’s lead over Bush widens
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5568072/site/newsweek/

Websites predict KERRY win

POLLs have yet to close across the United States - but already the web is calling it for KERRY.
A number of political websites are predicting the Democratic challenger will sweep into the White House with victories in a number of the key battleground states. Their claims are based on what they claim are leaks of exit POLL data.

Figures published on the Slate website suggest John KERRY will win the key battleground states of Florida and Ohio, each by a 1% margin.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1342210,00.html

The Election Is KERRY's To Lose


By John Zogby

have made a career of taking bungee jumps in my election calls. Sometimes I haven't had a helmet and I have gotten a little scratched. But here is my jump for 2004: John KERRY will win the election

http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html

:toast:

 

[gtc08]

im telling you now, if that 252 stays the same, which i have no doubt it will. the only iffy state is NH. michigan and pa will go obama easier then people think. if that 252 stays, there's no way mccain will win, end of argument. theres no way mccain is winning all of those toss up states, and mccain is a weaker candidate then obama in terms of dedicated support and money. some of you are reaching to far.

these mccainiacs like dave in vegas can admit obama will have more people voting for him then people voting for mccain, more dedicated supporters that you know will vote for one candidate or the other. this lesser of 2 evil vote is a large part of the 45 percent of the country that doesnt vote.

 

[JoeContrarian]

Who's Zogby on this time around? I stopped listening after 2004.

 

[JoeContrarian]

im telling you now, if that 252 stays the same, which i have no doubt it will. the only iffy state is NH. michigan and pa will go obama easier then people think. if that 252 stays, there's no way mccain will win, end of argument. theres no way mccain is winning all of those toss up states, and mccain is a weaker candidate then obama in terms of dedicated support and money. some of you are reaching to far

I hope you stick around for the debates.

 

[barman]

Sounds good MJ. Now convince us you're not full of pooty by posting a copy of your RealWorld betting ticket wherein you are putting at least $100 of your Real Money on McCain at +180 (or similar plus money odds).