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<NYT_BYLINE type=" " version="1.0">By PAUL KRUGMAN
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<!--NYT_INLINE_IMAGE_POSITION1 --><NYT_TEXT>California, it has long been claimed, is where the future happens first. But is that still true? If it is, God help America.
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<SCRIPT language=JavaScript type=text/JavaScript>if (acm.rc) acm.rc.write();</SCRIPT>The recession has hit the Golden State hard. The housing bubble was bigger there than almost anywhere else, and the bust has been bigger too. California’s unemployment rate, at 11 percent, is the fifth-highest in the nation. And the state’s revenues have suffered accordingly.
What’s really alarming about California, however, is the political system’s inability to rise to the occasion.
Despite the economic slump, despite irresponsible policies that have doubled the state’s debt burden since Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor, California has immense human and financial resources. It should not be in fiscal crisis; it should not be on the verge of cutting essential public services and denying health coverage to almost a million children. But it is — and you have to wonder if California’s political paralysis foreshadows the future of the nation as a whole.
The seeds of California’s current crisis were planted more than 30 years ago, when voters overwhelmingly passed Proposition 13, a ballot measure that placed the state’s budget in a straitjacket. Property tax rates were capped, and homeowners were shielded from increases in their tax assessments even as the value of their homes rose.
The result was a tax system that is both inequitable and unstable. It’s inequitable because older homeowners often pay far less property tax than their younger neighbors. It’s unstable because limits on property taxation have forced California to rely more heavily than other states on income taxes, which fall steeply during recessions.
Even more important, however, Proposition 13 made it extremely hard to raise taxes, even in emergencies: no state tax rate may be increased without a two-thirds majority in both houses of the State Legislature. And this provision has interacted disastrously with state political trends.
For California, where the Republicans began their transformation from the party of Eisenhower to the party of Reagan, is also the place where they began their next transformation, into the party of Rush Limbaugh. As the political tide has turned against California Republicans, the party’s remaining members have become ever more extreme, ever less interested in the actual business of governing.
And while the party’s growing extremism condemns it to seemingly permanent minority status — Mr. Schwarzenegger was and is sui generis — the Republican rump retains enough seats in the Legislature to block any responsible action in the face of the fiscal crisis.
Will the same thing happen to the nation as a whole?
Last week Bill Gross of Pimco, the giant bond fund, warned that the U.S. government may lose its AAA debt rating in a few years, thanks to the trillions it’s spending to rescue the economy and the banks. Is that a real possibility?
Well, in a rational world Mr. Gross’s warning would make no sense. America’s projected deficits may sound large, yet it would take only a modest tax increase to cover the expected rise in interest payments — and right now American taxes are well below those in most other wealthy countries. The fiscal consequences of the current crisis, in other words, should be manageable.
But that presumes that we’ll be able, as a political matter, to act responsibly. The example of California shows that this is by no means guaranteed. And the political problems that have plagued California for years are now increasingly apparent at a national level.
To be blunt: recent events suggest that the Republican Party has been driven mad by lack of power. The few remaining moderates have been defeated, have fled, or are being driven out. What’s left is a party whose national committee has just passed a resolution solemnly declaring that Democrats are “dedicated to restructuring American society along socialist ideals,” and released a video comparing Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi to Pussy Galore.
And that party still has 40 senators.
So will America follow California into ungovernability? Well, California has some special weaknesses that aren’t shared by the federal government. In particular, tax increases at the federal level don’t require a two-thirds majority, and can in some cases bypass the filibuster. So acting responsibly should be easier in Washington than in Sacramento.
But the California precedent still has me rattled. Who would have thought that America’s largest state, a state whose economy is larger than that of all but a few nations, could so easily become a banana republic?
On the other hand, the problems that plague California politics apply at the national level too.
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Yeah, Republicans ruined california...

There are two solutions
1. Raise taxes ( they are already amoung the countries highest).
2. Cut spending

Every time Arnold tries to do the sensible thing and cut spending, they won't let him. Please tell me how " it's the republicans fault"?

Look at what states are in trouble... California, New York, New Jersey, Illonois... see a pattern?
 

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What would you expect from a rag like the NY Times? I could write a dissertation on this and how anyone that believes it is an idiot, but why bother. Two words....Glass Stegal. Eventually Democrats will figure it out. The news that Republicans control California is news to me (last I checked you needed a 2/3 vote to pass anything...no one has control which is why it took so long to get a budget passed...but Democrats have the majority).

Yeah, Republicans ruined california...

There are two solutions
1. Raise taxes ( they are already amoung the countries highest).
2. Cut spending

Every time Arnold tries to do the sensible thing and cut spending, they won't let him. Please tell me how " it's the republicans fault"?

Look at what states are in trouble... California, New York, New Jersey, Illonois... see a pattern?
 

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Yeah, Republicans ruined california...

There are two solutions
1. Raise taxes ( they are already amoung the countries highest).
2. Cut spending

Every time Arnold tries to do the sensible thing and cut spending, they won't let him. Please tell me how " it's the republicans fault"?

Look at what states are in trouble... California, New York, New Jersey, Illonois... see a pattern?

Pointing the finger again instead of accepting responsibility..Like a True republican..
 

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Not even responding to a comment...like a True Democrat.

because I don't buy that Faux News crap that you do.. I know the Old GOP Mantra if there is a Republican in office then its the dem legislatures fault.. If there is a Democrat in Office and things go good it was because of the Republican legislature.. AND I KNOW... If there is a Republican President for 8 years and a Republican legislature for 5 of those 8 its the Democrats who had the legislature for the last 3 years fault.. Keep pointing those fingers..
 

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Lou,

Cali has been a democratic state for as long as I can remember. The current plight has nothing to do with Prop 13 as that was voted on by the people and has worked fine for nearly 30 years. I'm not absolving the Republicans of any responsibility... it just seems that the writer is off based here.
 

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This has to take the cake of the most unbelievably stupid headline to a thread in my lifetime. This state has been ruled by progressives for the last 2 decades. Then when the state goes to shit blame it on conservatives. Nice effort, Lou. What a joke. Arnold is no republican. This state has been shot since Grey Davis put a stamp on liberal wackjob policies, i.e. appeasement to illegals, high taxes, etc, etc.
 

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Doesn't sound like too many here are buying your argument either. But rather than argue about that, why don't you tell us all how you would solve things. I'd love to hear it.

because I don't buy that Faux News crap that you do.. I know the Old GOP Mantra if there is a Republican in office then its the dem legislatures fault.. If there is a Democrat in Office and things go good it was because of the Republican legislature.. AND I KNOW... If there is a Republican President for 8 years and a Republican legislature for 5 of those 8 its the Democrats who had the legislature for the last 3 years fault.. Keep pointing those fingers..
 

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Doesn't sound like too many here are buying your argument either. But rather than argue about that, why don't you tell us all how you would solve things. I'd love to hear it.
Thats because the Masses are morons.

Both parties need to work together to get things moving.. You can't have success if one party is saying "no" all the time.. to try and screw things up even further.
 

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I wonder what my grandmother would paying on her $600,000 house right now if Prop 13 didn't pass...
 

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Uh not your political preference. Precisely what would you do to solve the problem. Of course you know what I'm asking, you're just not willing to answer the question. Again, very easy to complain about things.

easy - elect democrats. Kick out all the Worthless Republicans.
 

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because I don't buy that Faux News crap that you do.. I know the Old GOP Mantra if there is a Republican in office then its the dem legislatures fault.. If there is a Democrat in Office and things go good it was because of the Republican legislature.. AND I KNOW... If there is a Republican President for 8 years and a Republican legislature for 5 of those 8 its the Democrats who had the legislature for the last 3 years fault.. Keep pointing those fingers..
Please, both sides do this. Back when California was having rolling blackouts my democrat cousin tried telling me it was all Pete Wilson's fault because he signed an energy deregulation bill...even though the bill was written by Steve Peace (D) El Cajon, and it was passed by a democrat controlled assembly without 1 democrat voting against it. But, because they were democrats, they were blameless.
 
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Wow... I think Lou actually believes that shit he posted.

I'm speechless at the fucking stupidity.
 

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I actually thought it was impossible to sound dumber than gtc but sweetlou has managed to do so.
 

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California is fucked up because....

George Bush ( he ruined everything)
Dick Chenay ( made people buy houses they couldn't afford).
Pelosi doesn't have enough power
The minority of republicans in Cali
Not enough illegals to vote democrat
Rich don't pay enough taxes
Poor don't get enough benefits
Gov workers don't get paid enough.

Lou, how can you say republicnas ruined california with a straight face. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you want to say they ruined Oklahoma or something fine, but California?

It's pretty obvious the socialists ruined california. No matter how much you spit off the latest buzz words...

Bush
Cheney
Deregulation
Arnold

Your shit doesn't stick.
 

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