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California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers


Beginning Friday, Amazon.com and other large out-of-state retailers will be required to collect sales taxes on purchases that their California customers make online.

By Marc Lifsher, Los Angeles Times

June 30, 2011

Reporting from Sacramento

Shopping at Amazon.com Inc. and other major Internet stores is poised to get more expensive.

Beginning Friday, a new state law will require large out-of-state retailers to collect sales taxes on purchases that their California customers make on the Internet — a prospect eased only slightly by a 1-percentage-point drop in the tax that also takes effect at the same time.

Getting the taxes, which consumers typically don't pay to the state if online merchants don't charge them, is "a common-sense idea," said Gov. Jerry Brown, who signed the legislation into law Wednesday.

The new tax collection requirement — part of budget-related legislation — is expected to raise an estimated $317 million a year in new state and local government revenue.

But those taxes may come with a price. Amazon and online retailer Overstock.com Inc. told thousands of California Internet marketing affiliates that they will stop paying commissions for referrals of so-called click-through customers.

That's because the new requirement applies only to online sellers based out of state that have some connection to California, such as workers, warehouses or offices here.

Both Amazon in Seattle and Overstock in Salt Lake City have told affiliates that they would have to move to another state if they wanted to continue earning commissions for referring customers.


"We oppose this bill because it is unconstitutional and counterproductive," Amazon wrote its California business partners Wednesday. Amazon has not indicated what further actions it might take to challenge the California law.

Many of about 25,000 affiliates in California, especially larger ones with dozens of employees, are likely to leave the state, said Rebecca Madigan, executive director of trade group Performance Marketing Assn. The affiliates combined paid $152 million in state income taxes last year, she pointed out.

"We have to consider it," said Loren Bendele, chief executive of Savings.com, a West Los Angeles website that links viewers to hundreds of money-saving deals. "It does not look good for our business."

The larger bite from buyers' pocketbooks will be eased only a bit because California's basic sales tax rate also will drop to 7.75% on Friday when a 2-year-old temporary increase expires. The basic rate in the city of Los Angeles falls back to 8.75%.

Brown's signature on the budget bills is aimed at closing a loophole that freed Amazon and other out-of-state retailers from collecting sales taxes for California.

Not collecting sales taxes gave Internet retailers a competitive price advantage over California's small businesses such as independent booksellers and big-box retailers with a presence in the state, including Barnes & Noble Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Best Buy Co. and Target Corp.

"You can't give one segment of retail a 10% discount every day. It's just not fair," said Bill Dombrowski, president of the California Retailers Assn., a major player in a coalition of large and small stores supporting the legislation.

California's new requirement will generate badly needed state revenue and send a signal to Congress that "we want to see a national solution" to the issue of taxing Internet sales, Dombrowski said.

California is the seventh and largest state in the country to pass a law to collect taxes on out-of-state Internet sales. Illinois, Arkansas and Connecticut acted earlier this year, North Carolina and Rhode Island in 2009 and New York in 2008. Amazon sued to overturn the New York law and lost in the lower courts. The company is paying sales taxes into an escrow account pending an appeal.

Other states currently are considering similar sales tax collection bills.

California's new law was drafted to circumvent a 1992 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that sellers can't be forced to collect sales taxes unless they have a physical presence in the state.

The new statute would establish that presence in two ways: when sellers pay commissions to other Internet sites in California, known as affiliates, that refer buyers; and when sellers have a related company operating in the state.

Amazon has thousands of such affiliates in California. It also has related business operations that include Lab126 Inc. in Cupertino, which develops Kindle electronic book readers, and a Studio City office for its Internet Movie Database unit.

One affiliate, Ken Rockwell of San Diego, the owner of a 12-year-old photography website, said he planned to move out of state.

"Will it be Las Vegas or Scottsdale or Ensenada?" he said. "It's a question of where, not if."


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they always cut off the hand that feeds them
 

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had this discussion a week or two ago and was actually a thread that didn't deteriorate into, well, what most threads here do

anyway i'm all for states making their own decisions, even if moronic, but when you open things up to a single item getting taxed 2-3 times as it's sold online I'm completely against it.
 

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had this discussion a week or two ago and was actually a thread that didn't deteriorate into, well, what most threads here do

anyway i'm all for states making their own decisions, even if moronic, but when you open things up to a single item getting taxed 2-3 times as it's sold online I'm completely against it.
 

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heh......it's virtually (no pun intended} unenforcable
 

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heh......it's virtually (no pun intended} unenforcable

Well it ends up good ol' Jerry Brown is once again looking like a fool. One of the local columnists went to Amazon on Friday morning (when the new law was supposed to be enacted) and made a purchase. No sales tax was charged. Yep, Amazon told Jerry Brown and its cast of idiots to go fuck themselves. Once again, it looks like another cockamamy plan by the Liberals in CA is going to backfire on them. The move to stop during business with the 25,000 affiliates looks to be a brilliant strategy (apparently Amazon has a good legal team). It essentially removed any physical presence in the state of CA. They took the transaction out of CA's hand and threw it under the jurisdiction of the Commerce Clause (in other words, Federal Jurisdiction) which would supersede any law CA puts into effect. One of the precedents for this case is in Quill vs. North Dakota that states....

In Quill Corporation v North Dakota (1992), the Court looked at a North Dakota "use" tax applied to sales by out-of-state corporations (primarily catalog companies such as L. L. Bean and Land's End) to North Dakota residents. Quill Corporation raised several constitutional objections to the tax. Although the Court found Quill's mailing catalogs into a state was sufficient to satisfy the "minimum contacts" test for due process purposes, it was NOT sufficient to satisfy the "substantial nexus" requirement of Complete Auto Transit. The Court noted that Quill had no physical presence in North Dakota--no salespersons, no outlets, no warehouse, no office.

If CA decides to sue Amazon in court, the onus will be on them to prove how this case is somehow different. And all I can say is good luck with that.

Back to the drawing board Jerry (you stupid putz) Brown.

He's still trying to get a tax increase put on the ballot and I say bring it on! The only time in the last 20 years, the state has voted favorably for something of that magnitude was when it was non-partisan. It won't pass and then this putz will finally have to do something about the situation he created in the state in his past tenure as government. Namely doing something about Unions and Illegal Immigrants.
 

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Better yet, "Liberals are the Stupidest Mother Fuckers on the Planet!!!!!!"
 

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Jerry Brown, the Republican & Democrat legislators who voted for this bill and of ccourse the people promoting the bill are not the first to think that money and/or information on the WWW can be controlled by a government agency

And I doubt they will be the last
 

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Jerry Brown, the Republican & Democrat legislators who voted for this bill and of ccourse the people promoting the bill are not the first to think that money and/or information on the WWW can be controlled by a government agency

And I doubt they will be the last

Unfortunately there are 25,000 affiliates that are now a little shorter in the pocketbook because of it (some of which will leave the state). Too bad, but that's California in a nutshell.
 

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Any business in 2011 that lacks sufficient savvy to move product & dollars via the WWW while avoiding this kind of government(s) taxation is likely doomed anyway
 

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Any business in 2011 that lacks sufficient savvy to move product & dollars via the WWW while avoiding this kind of government(s) taxation is likely doomed anyway

Can't disagree with that. Just would have liked to have kept the money in State.
 

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I read Southern California wants to secede from Northern California.
 

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Can't disagree with that. Just would have liked to have kept the money in State.

If their future is essentially doomed, they're not the businesses that will help the future of your (or any) state.
 

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California Prison Psychiatrist Paid $838,706

By Michael B. Marois - Jul 5, 2011 1:22 PM CT


The chief psychiatrist for California’s overcrowded prison system was paid $838,706 in 2010, more than any other state employee that year, payroll figures released today show.
The doctor, whose name wasn’t released, had a salary range of $261,408 to $308,640, according to data released today by California Controller John Chiang. The total compensation was raised by bonuses or payout of unused vacation time, according to the controller’s office.
The figures show that the 10 highest-paid state employees each earned more than $500,000 in 2010, for a total of $6.2 million. All but three were doctors or dentists for the Corrections Department. Joe Dear, the chief investment officer at the California Public Employees Retirement System, ranked seventh with a gross pay of $548,142, the data show.
Terry Thornton, a spokeswoman for the prison system, didn’t immediately respond to a telephone request for comment.
To contact the reporter on this story: Michael B. Marois in Sacramento at mmarois@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Mark Tannenbaum at mtannen@bloomberg.net
 

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It's not unreasonable to rate the California Correctional Officers union (CCOA) to be the strongest and most influential workers' union in the USA at this time - surpassed only (perhaps) by the overall worker muscle of the MLBPA.
 

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