Bush sticking it to "Conservative" backers ...

docmercer--banned · Dec 2, 2004

By Pastor Chuck Baldwin

November 13, 2004

NewsWithViews.com

Practically every political pundit from both the right and the left agree: President George W. Bush was reelected on the strength of the Christian conservative vote. They all agree that moral issues such as abortion and homosexuality played a crucial role in Bush's victory.

Therefore, one would expect that President Bush would set about to show the people who elected him that they were wise to do so. That's what one would expect, but that's not the way Bush plays the game.

President Bush begins his second term in office by: 1) Reviving his attempt to legalize illegal aliens, and, 2) Appointing a pro-abortion judge as Attorney General. This cannot be reassuring to the conservatives that elected him on November 2.

According to the Washington Times, "President Bush yesterday (Nov. 9) moved aggressively to resurrect his plan to relax rules against illegal immigration, a move bound to anger conservatives just days after they helped re-elect him.

"The president met privately in the Oval Office with Sen. John McCain to discuss jump-starting a stalled White House initiative that would grant legal status to millions of immigrants who broke the law to enter the United States."

The Times also quoted White House political strategist Karl Rove as saying, "We are formulating plans for the legislative agenda for next year, and immigration will be on that agenda."

Meanwhile, on November 10, President Bush announced his decision to replace John Ashcroft with long time friend and confidant, Alberto Gonzales, as U.S. Attorney General. Many people, including me, speculated that Bush would appoint Gonzales as the next member of the U.S. Supreme Court.

Regardless of the specific appointment, by making Gonzales U.S. Attorney General, Bush has placed yet another pro-abortion person in a key leadership position in his administration. In truth, the Bush administration is littered with pro-abortion and homosexual appointments.

For President Bush to make the first two major decisions of his second term the push for amnesty for illegal aliens and the appointment of a pro-abortion judge as U.S. Attorney General should be regarded as a serious "slap-in-the-face" to every conservative who voted for him. It also portends many more defeats for conservatives during the next four years. These decisions by President Bush should serve as a wake-up call for every conservative who voted for him.

Then again, if conservatives had been truly paying attention to the Bush record during his first four years in office, they would have known that G.W. Bush is not a principled conservative and shares no loyalty or fidelity to either Constitutional or conservative principles.

The sad truth is, President George W. Bush has been sticking it to conservatives for four years, and he has done it again!

bblight · Dec 2, 2004

More BS!

Bush was the pragmatic choice for most voters - faced with a moderate Bush or a very liberal Kerry, most mainstream voters opted for Bush.

His stance on illegal aliens is well known, and his choices for cabinet and other appointments have covered the right wing spectrum, from hard right to center.

None of this is a big surprise to most people; it's just more fodder for the Bush haters to throw around.

GAMEFACE · Dec 2, 2004

Bush was the only choice. Way too liberal for me, but the only choice.

kayaman+ · Dec 2, 2004

"Bush was the pragmatic choice for most voters - faced with a moderate Bush or a very liberal Kerry, most mainstream voters opted for Bush."

Mainstream????

The religious right swung the election because bush is anti-abortion, anti-gay and anti-stem cell research, those are hardly mainstream issues compared to the war and the deficit.

Marco · Dec 2, 2004

GAME.....I think the goosestep would have been too liberal for you.

xpanda · Dec 2, 2004

GAMEFACE said:
Bush was the only choice. Way too liberal for me, but the only choice.

'Liberal'??????

Are you fücking kidding??

You obviously know positively nothing about political ideology ... there is nothing liberal about Bush. Just being non-conservative does not make one liberal.

Jesus, that's the dumbest thing I've read on these boards yet.

bblight · Dec 2, 2004

kaya - so you're saying that all of the 60 million plus voters for Bush were extremists, while the 57 Million that voted for Kerry were mainstream?

I don't think so!

xpanda - if you check out Bush's policies, you'll find that he's a social and fiscal moderate. I understand that he's a hawk on war, bu7t on everything else.... Don't take me at my word, just find out where he lays on the spectrum for each political issue and make your own judgement.

kayaman+ · Dec 2, 2004

"kaya - so you're saying that all of the 60 million plus voters for Bush were extremists, while the 57 Million that voted for Kerry were mainstream?

I don't think so!"

Um, all 60 million that voted for bush have exactly the same views and all 57 million that voted for kerry have exactly the same views??? Have you ever taken a course in logic?

I didn't say all 60 million voted based on those issues I said the swing came from from the religious right.

PatPatriot · Dec 2, 2004

I didn't say all 60 million voted based on those issues I said the swing came from from the religious right.

Thats another media distortion.
Look at the poll question of who do you think will keep us safer...It was Bush over 2-1 in the affirmative.

docmercer--banned · Dec 2, 2004

Gameface: Pull it over, son!!

Ya a little high ... one of THE ALL-TIME GREAT LINES:

Originally Posted by GAMEFACE
"Bush was the only choice. Way too liberal for me, but the only choice" ....

RobFunk · Dec 2, 2004

GF is on the money

if softening up on illegal aliens isnt liberalism to the max I dont know what the hell is

xpanda · Dec 2, 2004

bblight said:
xpanda - if you check out Bush's policies, you'll find that he's a social and fiscal moderate. I understand that he's a hawk on war, bu7t on everything else.... Don't take me at my word, just find out where he lays on the spectrum for each political issue and make your own judgement.

I understand the guy's no conservative. But he's not a liberal, by any stretch of the imagination. The closest thing to liberalism I've seen out of him is his immigration reform proposals.

You all need to revisit your definitions, I think.

docmercer--banned · Dec 2, 2004

bblight: Great commentary!

Originally Posted by bblight

"xpanda - if you check out Bush's policies, you'll find that he's a social and fiscal moderate .."
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[font=Arial, Helvetica]That's an average annual growth rate of 2.4% during Clinton's eight years, compared to an average of 11.8% during Bush's first three.[/font]

docmercer--banned · Dec 2, 2004

in his Feb. 8 interview the President erred in this exchange:

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RobFunk · Dec 2, 2004

trickle economics does something

I went to my mall all the sudden we got a filenes, benches replaced with leather furniture, new stores opening up I never thought I'd see here.

who does that create jobs for? more people making 7 bucks an hour? they barely pay the bills, what are they spitting back in? you cant possibly think a scenario like that helps the economy buddy, the republicans cut back big time on education and job training.

you need to take smart 18-22's and let them skate while theyre learning important skills, even kids in grade/high school with books older than jerry rice and classes big as hell.

steal JFK's and reagans ideas? naw thats not whats happening. rich get paid poor are screwed and cant get on their feet and thats that.

a kid with a brain in the current system loses out to the kid with rich parents that is dumber than him. and that isnt right.

kayaman+ · Dec 2, 2004

"steal JFK's and reagans ideas?"

What were ronnie's ideas on education? I know that before he got done rapping GSL's you could get all of you college tuition finaced but by '89 when I applied it was only like $1200-1300 that you could qualify for as a freshman. I also know that he once proudly stated that he hadn't read a book since college, he did later however take to reading Tom Clancey's drivle. I also know that he once claimed that ketchup was a vegetable to justify reducing spending on public school lunches. What other wonderful ideas did he have on education?

RobFunk · Dec 2, 2004

kaya you got me.

I know a lot of kids going to college just want to screw and party, but you got the chosen ones with a brain who want to learn and aquire skill.

this stuff needs to be played out, keeping them all down is not the answer. let the college qualified skate through and we can get more brains in this country.

having the chosen ones be the sons and daughters of the rich only doesnt make sense. they want to party and screw also, so let everyone in to the mix. its just math.

bblight · Dec 2, 2004

Rob, in Mass, we're suffering a shortage of skilled positions in just about all of the sciences. So you can't say there's a shortage of good paying jobs - it's just the opposite.

As for training - one issue I have with young people entering the job market for the first time is their lack of knowledge of how to work!
Do they show up on time.
When they show up, do they work, or do they stand around waiting to be told what to do.
Do they work to produce as much as possible of a good quality product, or do they do the minimum expected of them.
Do they show up every day?
Do they strive to improve themselves and their workplace?

- The biggest question of them all, is do the schools and colleges provide them with the education they need to be successful?

I'm shocked at the number of young applicants I get that can't read at the most basic level, and can't even do simple math! Some college kids can't write a simple sentence!

Our education system is doing a diservice to our children by not setting a level of expectations and demanding that the students live up to those minimal requirements! And it's a shame, because many kids who could work their way into a good middle class life are screwed by a system that works for the teachers unions and not for the students.

docmercer--banned · Dec 2, 2004

I'm more amazed at this country actually electing a guy that can barely finish a sentence and actually has the balls to look like a jackass and cant name ONE mistake he has made in his first term in Office ...

I saw SNL this past weekend .. the 1st debate .. ghees, that was funny but the reality was that Bush is about as dense as it gets on EVERY SUBJECT ....

"Its hard work, Jim ...." CLASSIC LINE IN THAT SKIT THEY DID!!!

JudgeWapner · Dec 2, 2004

I am pleasantly surprised by Bush's 2nd term so far. When a man is no longer up for re election,he does not have to cater to groups. His father and mother are moderates. Maybe the acorn does not fall from the tree. We can only hope.