Ben,
Clearly, Sen Kerry has a vastly greater IQ than President Dum Dum.
It's becoming more obvious with every passing day that stupid people support Bush because they can identify with lack of intelligence.
Natually, there is a similar trend between smart people and their support for Sen. Kerry.
Clearly, Sen Kerry has a vastly greater IQ than President Dum Dum.
It's becoming more obvious with every passing day that stupid people support Bush because they can identify with lack of intelligence.
Natually, there is a similar trend between smart people and their support for Sen. Kerry.
Jesus Christ,what profundities. I should have known better than to click on this thread.
Asslick and Slander...when are you two going to pick out furniture together?
Whatever school you guys went to you should demand your money back.
Do you guys keep in touch with Professor Cheetah?...Christ.
Asslick and Slander...when are you two going to pick out furniture together?
Whatever school you guys went to you should demand your money back.
Do you guys keep in touch with Professor Cheetah?...Christ.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redneckman:
So those "stupid" Bush supporters will have higher median incomes and a higher percentage will have college educations than the Kerry supporters, exit polls after the election will bear that out, as they always do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So those "stupid" Bush supporters will have higher median incomes and a higher percentage will have college educations than the Kerry supporters, exit polls after the election will bear that out, as they always do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
Ben,
Clearly, Sen Kerry has a vastly greater IQ than President Dum Dum.
It's becoming more obvious with every passing day that stupid people support Bush because they can identify with lack of intelligence.
Natually, there is a similar trend between smart people and their support for Sen. Kerry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36807-2004Aug26.html
Veterans Mostly Support Bush, National Poll Finds
By Eric M. Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 27, 2004; Page B01
Sen. John F. Kerry has emphasized his Vietnam service hoping to inspire fellow veterans -- whom he calls his "band of brothers" -- to support his presidential campaign. But a new nationwide poll and conversations with area veterans show that they remain deeply split over the former Navy lieutenant.
Despite Kerry's courting, veterans say they trust President Bush more than Kerry as commander in chief, 56 percent to 38 percent, according to a report released yesterday by the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey.
Ben,
Clearly, Sen Kerry has a vastly greater IQ than President Dum Dum.
It's becoming more obvious with every passing day that stupid people support Bush because they can identify with lack of intelligence.
Natually, there is a similar trend between smart people and their support for Sen. Kerry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36807-2004Aug26.html
Veterans Mostly Support Bush, National Poll Finds
By Eric M. Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 27, 2004; Page B01
Sen. John F. Kerry has emphasized his Vietnam service hoping to inspire fellow veterans -- whom he calls his "band of brothers" -- to support his presidential campaign. But a new nationwide poll and conversations with area veterans show that they remain deeply split over the former Navy lieutenant.
Despite Kerry's courting, veterans say they trust President Bush more than Kerry as commander in chief, 56 percent to 38 percent, according to a report released yesterday by the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redneckman:
So those "stupid" Bush supporters will have higher median incomes and a higher percentage will have college educations than the Kerry supporters, exit polls after the election will bear that out, as they always do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good reply----Go Bush
So those "stupid" Bush supporters will have higher median incomes and a higher percentage will have college educations than the Kerry supporters, exit polls after the election will bear that out, as they always do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good reply----Go Bush
Ben,
You clearly have a gift for stating the obvious.
"So those "stupid" Bush supporters will have higher median incomes and a higher percentage will have college educations than the Kerry supporters, exit polls after the election will bear that out, as they always do."
Like dumbya's degree? Lol.
You clearly have a gift for stating the obvious.
"So those "stupid" Bush supporters will have higher median incomes and a higher percentage will have college educations than the Kerry supporters, exit polls after the election will bear that out, as they always do."
Like dumbya's degree? Lol.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
And, yet, University professors predominately support Kerry over Bush ...
then again, it's easier to make up "you'll see" nonsense, isn't it
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
university professors...
. come on lander, those guys are the most liberal guys on the planet...who do you think they would support.
instead of talking about who these people who sit around theorizing and complaining about the real world, why not talk about the people you make the world run...businessmen and business owners. who do you think they support?
And, yet, University professors predominately support Kerry over Bush ...
then again, it's easier to make up "you'll see" nonsense, isn't it
university professors...
instead of talking about who these people who sit around theorizing and complaining about the real world, why not talk about the people you make the world run...businessmen and business owners. who do you think they support?
Why did you choose to coin them as "some of the most liberal", when "some of the most intelligent" would have sufficed?
Make the world run? Blue what on Earth are you rambling on about? If push REALLY came to shove then Darwin's boys the Libertarians would triumph.
Make the world run? Blue what on Earth are you rambling on about? If push REALLY came to shove then Darwin's boys the Libertarians would triumph.
most liberal they are for sure. most intelligent...maybe, if you measure intelligence solely with an iq test and a doctoral thesis.
ever heard the saying "those who can't do...teach"? i am not saying it is an absolute. they are many university professors who have accomplished a great deal in the real world. but, the majority have cocooned themselves in the unreal world of academia for a reason. they can theorize about how the world should work from their pedistal in front of 500 idealistic 20 year-olds. then go write a paper on some theory of economics or pyschology or whatever...have office hours from 3-5...then sip brandy and bash george bush until bedtime.
but, here in the real world where things like tax cuts and conservative fiscal policy are good for businesses, thus good for business owners, thus good for their employees (if keeping your job is good)...the thought process is a bit different. does the average business owner/business man have a lower iq than the average university professor? maybe. but, why does that matter? the business owner/businessman lives and works in the real world...not in some university fantasy-land.
he is not "tenured". he does not get paid with grants or student tuition. he must run his business successfully...or he does not eat. this is the real world and theories about how a perfect world should be don't matter much.
by the way, you may get a different answer if you polled the professors in the business schools of these universities. at least they teach about the real world.
ever heard the saying "those who can't do...teach"? i am not saying it is an absolute. they are many university professors who have accomplished a great deal in the real world. but, the majority have cocooned themselves in the unreal world of academia for a reason. they can theorize about how the world should work from their pedistal in front of 500 idealistic 20 year-olds. then go write a paper on some theory of economics or pyschology or whatever...have office hours from 3-5...then sip brandy and bash george bush until bedtime.
but, here in the real world where things like tax cuts and conservative fiscal policy are good for businesses, thus good for business owners, thus good for their employees (if keeping your job is good)...the thought process is a bit different. does the average business owner/business man have a lower iq than the average university professor? maybe. but, why does that matter? the business owner/businessman lives and works in the real world...not in some university fantasy-land.
he is not "tenured". he does not get paid with grants or student tuition. he must run his business successfully...or he does not eat. this is the real world and theories about how a perfect world should be don't matter much.
by the way, you may get a different answer if you polled the professors in the business schools of these universities. at least they teach about the real world.
Ed,
I ain't too sure about that. Many business owners I know have imploded due to economy of scale. With too few employees; employers can no longer afford to cover all employees. With too few work orders in the market; projects go to those who bid the lowest. With a small tax break that restricted federal funds flowing to municipalities; many jobs industry could count have dried up. With the escalating price of natural resources, thank you so much for the steel tariff you shit for brains, raw materials and even scrap are un-inventoriable. With petrol going up; that 3500lb tax break for that flat bed only paid for 5 additional jobs, but there ain't no fvcking jobs... what’s the fvcking good?
Now Mr business owner can no longer afford to keep the doors open, so he lays off his employees, cancels his contracts with advertising, the soda pop vendor, the out sourced lawn maintenance, the Culligan man, takes his attorney off retainer and trys to find a job knowing that his entrepreneurial spirit and Master's is worth something, but no, its worth less than student loans he deferred because of economic hardship when he took out the second loan on his house trying to save the business he loved.
One night while surfing for jobs, he sees an add for Bush: Helping the Working Man. He is now out a computer because he picked it up over his head and helped the force of gravity as he flung it to the floor, crashing, waking up his wife who slipped coming from the bedroom and now needs an Xray because she broke her leg, but she only works part time without benefits and he no longer has any coverage so they are now another $5k in debt and are about to be foreclosed on while all Bush can talk about is the tax cut that didn't even give him enough money in pocket to pay for the natural gas to heat his house that winter.
Thank you, you fvcking extra ordinarily intelligent president.
I ain't too sure about that. Many business owners I know have imploded due to economy of scale. With too few employees; employers can no longer afford to cover all employees. With too few work orders in the market; projects go to those who bid the lowest. With a small tax break that restricted federal funds flowing to municipalities; many jobs industry could count have dried up. With the escalating price of natural resources, thank you so much for the steel tariff you shit for brains, raw materials and even scrap are un-inventoriable. With petrol going up; that 3500lb tax break for that flat bed only paid for 5 additional jobs, but there ain't no fvcking jobs... what’s the fvcking good?
Now Mr business owner can no longer afford to keep the doors open, so he lays off his employees, cancels his contracts with advertising, the soda pop vendor, the out sourced lawn maintenance, the Culligan man, takes his attorney off retainer and trys to find a job knowing that his entrepreneurial spirit and Master's is worth something, but no, its worth less than student loans he deferred because of economic hardship when he took out the second loan on his house trying to save the business he loved.
One night while surfing for jobs, he sees an add for Bush: Helping the Working Man. He is now out a computer because he picked it up over his head and helped the force of gravity as he flung it to the floor, crashing, waking up his wife who slipped coming from the bedroom and now needs an Xray because she broke her leg, but she only works part time without benefits and he no longer has any coverage so they are now another $5k in debt and are about to be foreclosed on while all Bush can talk about is the tax cut that didn't even give him enough money in pocket to pay for the natural gas to heat his house that winter.
Thank you, you fvcking extra ordinarily intelligent president.
blue,
You're basing your real world point on two vast generalizations. That might work if you've created a two-man play where the stodgy old college prof debates and banters with the young, hard working business man (hardly real world). But since we all know generalizations don't serve well as cornerstones to complex issues dealing with larger groups, I conclude a little more objective education on your part.
You're basing your real world point on two vast generalizations. That might work if you've created a two-man play where the stodgy old college prof debates and banters with the young, hard working business man (hardly real world). But since we all know generalizations don't serve well as cornerstones to complex issues dealing with larger groups, I conclude a little more objective education on your part.
i am not saying its an absolute but...when was the last time you were on a college campus? are those guys intelligent? yes, they are. are they liberal? oh my yes...as a general rule.
lander brought up that these very intelligent college professors support kerry. i was explaining why that is...not because of their intellegence but more so because of their left tendencies.
lander brought up that these very intelligent college professors support kerry. i was explaining why that is...not because of their intellegence but more so because of their left tendencies.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by poopsicle:
Ed,
I ain't too sure about that. Many business owners I know have imploded due to economy of scale. With too few employees; employers can no longer afford to cover all employees. With too few work orders in the market; projects go to those who bid the lowest. With a small tax break that restricted federal funds flowing to municipalities; many jobs industry could count have dried up. With the escalating price of natural resources, thank you so much for the steel tariff you shit for brains, raw materials and even scrap are un-inventoriable. With petrol going up; that 3500lb tax break for that flat bed only paid for 5 additional jobs, but there ain't no fvcking jobs... what’s the fvcking good?
Now Mr business owner can no longer afford to keep the doors open, so he lays off his employees, cancels his contracts with advertising, the soda pop vendor, the out sourced lawn maintenance, the Culligan man, takes his attorney off retainer and trys to find a job knowing that his entrepreneurial spirit and Master's is worth something, but no, its worth less than student loans he deferred because of economic hardship when he took out the second loan on his house trying to save the business he loved.
One night while surfing for jobs, he sees an add for Bush: Helping the Working Man. He is now out a computer because he picked it up over his head and helped the force of gravity as he flung it to the floor, crashing, waking up his wife who slipped coming from the bedroom and now needs an Xray because she broke her leg, but she only works part time without benefits and he no longer has any coverage so they are now another $5k in debt and are about to be foreclosed on while all Bush can talk about is the tax cut that didn't even give him enough money in pocket to pay for the natural gas to heat his house that winter.
Thank you, you fvcking extra ordinarily intelligent president. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
no question that the past 3 years have been trying economic times. many businesses have had it tough and some have gone out of business. let me ask you something...do you think increasing taxes will help or make it worse?
i am in banking and know many business owners. i see their financial statements and know how much their costs are and how much salary they take out. if you raise the tax rate to "tax the wealthy and not the working man" here is the situation and the choice the business owner eventually must make:
- well, now i am faced with a dilema because my net profit and/or personal salary is being reduced due to the tax increase...do i bite the bullet and make less money, keeping all my employees at the same wage or...do i increase my base salary so i make the same amount of money personally (after taxes) and cut my employees wages or fire the least productive guy (which means that the employees who remain have to work harder but hey, this is a tough economy...what are they gonna do? quit? not likely).
which do you think the business owner will do? i guarantee you he will look to take care of himself. that is the problem with increasing taxes and it never ceases to amaze me that the liberals can't see this.
also, the reason for the increases in steel prices is primarily due to the increased consumption of steel by china. increased steel consumption in china is due to all the manufacturing that has gone over to china because american labor unions have priced their workers out of a job by demanding too much money. you can blame bush if you want but, it don't take a masters degree to figure out that businesses are moving to china because they have a choice:
stay in america and pay a "skilled" laborer $20/hour or move the manufacturing to china, pay two "unskilled" workers $2/hour and pay $10 to ship the product back to the u.s. which would they choose?
every man will act in his own best interest. the conservatives understand this and attempt to work with this fact. the liberals try to change this...the result is socialism and, at the worst, communism. those are not good alternatives in my view.
Ed,
I ain't too sure about that. Many business owners I know have imploded due to economy of scale. With too few employees; employers can no longer afford to cover all employees. With too few work orders in the market; projects go to those who bid the lowest. With a small tax break that restricted federal funds flowing to municipalities; many jobs industry could count have dried up. With the escalating price of natural resources, thank you so much for the steel tariff you shit for brains, raw materials and even scrap are un-inventoriable. With petrol going up; that 3500lb tax break for that flat bed only paid for 5 additional jobs, but there ain't no fvcking jobs... what’s the fvcking good?
Now Mr business owner can no longer afford to keep the doors open, so he lays off his employees, cancels his contracts with advertising, the soda pop vendor, the out sourced lawn maintenance, the Culligan man, takes his attorney off retainer and trys to find a job knowing that his entrepreneurial spirit and Master's is worth something, but no, its worth less than student loans he deferred because of economic hardship when he took out the second loan on his house trying to save the business he loved.
One night while surfing for jobs, he sees an add for Bush: Helping the Working Man. He is now out a computer because he picked it up over his head and helped the force of gravity as he flung it to the floor, crashing, waking up his wife who slipped coming from the bedroom and now needs an Xray because she broke her leg, but she only works part time without benefits and he no longer has any coverage so they are now another $5k in debt and are about to be foreclosed on while all Bush can talk about is the tax cut that didn't even give him enough money in pocket to pay for the natural gas to heat his house that winter.
Thank you, you fvcking extra ordinarily intelligent president. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
no question that the past 3 years have been trying economic times. many businesses have had it tough and some have gone out of business. let me ask you something...do you think increasing taxes will help or make it worse?
i am in banking and know many business owners. i see their financial statements and know how much their costs are and how much salary they take out. if you raise the tax rate to "tax the wealthy and not the working man" here is the situation and the choice the business owner eventually must make:
- well, now i am faced with a dilema because my net profit and/or personal salary is being reduced due to the tax increase...do i bite the bullet and make less money, keeping all my employees at the same wage or...do i increase my base salary so i make the same amount of money personally (after taxes) and cut my employees wages or fire the least productive guy (which means that the employees who remain have to work harder but hey, this is a tough economy...what are they gonna do? quit? not likely).
which do you think the business owner will do? i guarantee you he will look to take care of himself. that is the problem with increasing taxes and it never ceases to amaze me that the liberals can't see this.
also, the reason for the increases in steel prices is primarily due to the increased consumption of steel by china. increased steel consumption in china is due to all the manufacturing that has gone over to china because american labor unions have priced their workers out of a job by demanding too much money. you can blame bush if you want but, it don't take a masters degree to figure out that businesses are moving to china because they have a choice:
stay in america and pay a "skilled" laborer $20/hour or move the manufacturing to china, pay two "unskilled" workers $2/hour and pay $10 to ship the product back to the u.s. which would they choose?
every man will act in his own best interest. the conservatives understand this and attempt to work with this fact. the liberals try to change this...the result is socialism and, at the worst, communism. those are not good alternatives in my view.
"every man will act in his own best interest. the conservatives understand this and attempt to work with this fact. the liberals try to change this...the result is socialism and, at the worst, communism. those are not good alternatives in my view."
I find it amusing with bush2's big brother tactics so reminiscent of the stories we were told of life in the Soviet Union as we grew up in the cold war, that some still try to label libs are commies.
I would put it this way, capitalism is an ugly beast but it's the best system we've found yet. Libs understand this and therefore realize the importance of regulating the capitalist in the interest of human rights. Consevs put profit above above human rights.
I find it amusing with bush2's big brother tactics so reminiscent of the stories we were told of life in the Soviet Union as we grew up in the cold war, that some still try to label libs are commies.
I would put it this way, capitalism is an ugly beast but it's the best system we've found yet. Libs understand this and therefore realize the importance of regulating the capitalist in the interest of human rights. Consevs put profit above above human rights.
i am not saying liberals are communists. i am saying that liberalism, taken to the extreme is communism. karl marx's version of communism is much different than joseph stalin's.
stalin was a brutal madman. marx thought he had a good idea. an idea which sounds great but does not work in reality.
stalin was a brutal madman. marx thought he had a good idea. an idea which sounds great but does not work in reality.
Blue
The fact that socialism sounds great but does not work is obvious, we agree on that.
What I'm getting at is that I don't personally know any libs that would give up capitalism and consider any that would as extreme as those religious righties that would have the bible dictate the constitution.
The fact that socialism sounds great but does not work is obvious, we agree on that.
What I'm getting at is that I don't personally know any libs that would give up capitalism and consider any that would as extreme as those religious righties that would have the bible dictate the constitution.
