Bush had it pegged

[russ1945]

[h=1]Remember when George W. Bush predicted exactly what would happen if we pulled troops from Iraq like Obama wanted?[/h]image: [url]http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/xk/pkF3-ZwbpcRiaKnw-j7p7d4OPV/www.youngcons.com/0.gravatar.com/avatar/80x80xc9132408ca9e892946aa63ddf268e2dd,qs=80,ad=http,P3A,P2F,P2F0.gravatar.com,P2Favatar,P2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536,P3Fs,P3D80,ar=G.pagespeed.ic._3ZzoL1hVf83jhK7uKxN.webp

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[h=3]Joshua Riddle[/h]






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History is going to be very kind to George W. Bush. Obama? Not so much…

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From BuzzPo:

In January 2007, Senator Obama introduced S 433, “The Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007,” that would have prevented the troop surge and begun a year-long U.S. military withdrawal. This would, he believed, “pressure the Iraqis to finally reach a political settlement and reduce the violence.” Oddly enough, with Iraq now in turmoil Mr. Obama is saying the use of force to counter the ISIS offensive would be insufficient without some form of political settlement to reduce the violence, which was facilitated by the withdrawal of U.S. troops in the first place.
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Mr. Bush was busy defending his politically unpopular but militarily daring plan to implement the surge. On May 1, 2007, at an address to a CENTCOM Coalition Conference at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida, he explained why he thought it would be a mistake to abandon the surge strategy and immediately withdraw U.S. combat forces. He said that the option proposed by people like Senators Obama, Clinton and Biden was to “pull back from [Baghdad] before the Iraqis could defend themselves against these radicals and extremists and death squads and killers. That risked turning Iraq into a cauldron of chaos.” He explained that “the enemies of freedom, love chaos. Out of that chaos they could find new safe havens. Withdrawal would have emboldened these radicals and extremists. It would have confirmed their belief that our nations were weak. It would help them gain new recruits, new resources. It would cause them to believe they could strike free nations at their choice.”

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Mr. Bush concluded that “withdrawal would have increased the probability that coalition troops would be forced to return to Iraq one day, and confront an enemy that is even more dangerous. Failure in Iraq should be unacceptable to the civilized world.”
The surge strategy worked. Violence was reduced dramatically in Iraq, and a stable, democratically elected government took power. When Mr. Bush left office in January 2009, he could rightly claim to have left Iraq in the win column. But five years and one U.S. troop pullout later, and the Obama administration’s failure in 2011 to conclude an agreement for a follow-on stabilization force, the dramatic rise of ISIS shows that Mr. Bush had a much better grasp on the strategic realities of Iraq and the war against violent extremism than his critics.
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President George W. Bush wasn’t unintelligent. In fact, he was brilliant…


Read more at http://www.youngcons.com/remember-w...m-iraq-like-obama-wanted/#B68zIqUAMxSwRdGd.99

 

[scottcarter]

America had no business occupying another country for a decade. If they had a problem with Iraq, they should have gone in and did what they needed to do and get the hell out. A few weeks max. What a waste of money and lives.

 

[SheriffJoe]

And then there's the community agitating clown....

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10 Times Barack Obama Was Wrong Before Changing His Mind About ISIS

BY KYLE BECKER (7 HOURS AGO) | HEADLINES, MILITARY, NATION, POLITICS

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It is an understood and often wearisome aspect of the presidency of the United States that one does not have a blank slate upon assuming office. One inherits both the achievements and failures of all previous administrations. Thus, making statements about the nation’s course of action is fraught with peril.

President Obama demonstrated this cold lesson of history when herequested that Congress grant him military authorization to use force in Iraq – a nation the United States has largely vacated – in order to combat the growing scourge of ISIS (also known as ISIL or the Islamic State).

In this context, it’s important to review 11 major statements that former Senator and current President Barack Obama made on the war:

1. “Dumb War”
While running for Illinois Senator in 2002, candidate Obama called the U.S. mission in Iraq a “dumb war.”

“I don’t oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war,” Obama said. He did, however, characterize former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. “Now, let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein,” Obama said in a speech.

“He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied U.N. resolutions, thwarted U.N. inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.”

2. Opposed the “Surge” in Iraq
In a speech before Congress opposing then-President George W. Bush’s “surge” plan, Senator Obama was decidedly opposed. “I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse. I think it takes pressure off the Iraqis to arrive at the sort of political accommodation that every observer believes is the ultimate solution to the problems we face there. So I am going to actively oppose the president’s proposal. … I think he is wrong, and I think the American people believe he’s wrong.”

3. Withdraw All Troops by End of March 2008
While he was a Senator and after having visited Iraq, Barack Obama published an article in Foreign Affairs in July 2007 in which he pushed for withdrawing all troops as soon as feasible. Senator Obama wrote the war was one “that never should have been authorized and never should have been waged.” Obama advocated troop withdrawal “with the goal of removing all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008.”

4. “Take That to the Bank”
In Fall of 2007, when he was on the presidential campaign trail, Senator Obama made a promise. “If we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am President, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank.”

5. Obama Becomes President
After Barack Obama takes his Oath of Office, he states, “We’ll begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people.”

6. Timeline of Troop Withdrawal
At a speech at Camp Lejeune in February 2009, the President announces a timeline for troop withdrawal from Iraq. “Let me say this as plainly as I can: By August 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end.”
The President then said that all troops should be out by December 21, 2011.

7. Reaffirms Troops Will Leave by End of 2011
On October 21, 2011, the President reasserted his plan. “Today I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America’s war in Iraq will be over.”

8. “I Said I’d End the War in Iraq. I Ended It.”
At a final campaign stop before the 2012 elections, the President took credit for ending the War in Iraq. “I said I’d end the war in Iraq, I ended it,” he said.

9. Obama Blames Bush for Troop Withdrawal
In August 2014, the President shifted his rhetoric on the issue. “What I just find interesting is the degree to which this issue keeps on coming up, as if this was my decision. Under the previous administration, we had turned over the country to a sovereign, democratically elected Iraqi government. So let’s just be clear: The reason that we did not have a follow-on force inIraq was because the Iraqis — a majority of Iraqis did not want U.S. troops there, and politically they could not pass the kind of laws that would be required to protect our troops in Iraq. So that entire analysis is bogus and is wrong.”

10. “No Ground Troops”

In September 2014, the President was asked by NBC host Chuck Todd to comment on the growing threat of ISIS. “I’m curious—have you only ruled them out simply for domestic political reason?” Todd asked. “Or is there another reason you’ve ruled out American boots on the ground? Because your own, your own guys have said, ‘You can’t defeat ISIS with air strikes alone.’ ”
The President replied, “Well, they’re absolutely right about that. But you also cannot, over the long term or even the medium term, deal with this problem by having the United States serially occupy various countries all around the Middle East. We don’t have the resources. It puts enormous strains on our military. And at some point, we leave. And then things blow up again. So we—”

“That’s what happened with Iraq,” Todd clarified.

“So—so, we’ve got to have a more sustainable strategy,” Obama said, “which means the boots on the ground have to be Iraqi.”

This bring us to today’s announcement. President Obama requested that Congress authorize troops for a military mission in Iraq.

“The President is authorized, subject to the limitations in subsection (c), to use the Armed Forces of the United States as the President determines to be necessary and appropriate against ISIL or associated persons or forces as defined in section.” …
“The authority granted in subsection (a) does not authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces in enduring offensive ground combat operations.” …
“This authorization for the use of military force shall terminate three years after the date of the enactment of this joint resolution, unless reauthorized.”
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President Obama then clarified his intentions: “The authorization I propose would provide the flexibility to conduct ground combat operations in other, more limited circumstances, such as rescue operations involving U.S. or coalition personnel or the use of special operations forces to take military action against ISIL leadership.”

While it is true that former President George W. Bush had agreed to aStatus of Forces Agreement with the Iraqi government – a framework that was meant to ensure a stable Iraq and enforce U.S. national security interests – President Obama was all-too-willing to announce a U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq. The Iraqi government was not dictating terms to the U.S., and no agreement would override American national security interests preventing the country being overrun by terrorists or an overthrow of the Iraqi government.

It should be noted that the rise of ISIS in Iraq is in direct connection to the power vacuum left in the country when the U.S. withdrew its troops. The signaling to ISIS that the U.S. had no intention of sending military forces to the nation should even a dire threat arise did nothing to dissuade the terror organization from carrying out a full-out offensive. Now, the U.S. is facing a re-entry – even should it be in a more limited capacity.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when Americans elect a president who needs on-the-job-training in foreign affairs.

 

[SheriffJoe]

 

[vitterd]

America had no business occupying another country for a decade. If they had a problem with Iraq, they should have gone in and did what they needed to do and get the hell out. A few weeks max. What a waste of money and lives.

It's a shame what bush did to this country with that war. All the deaths that never should have happened. Can't be easy for him to sleep at night.

For this old fool to start a thread about "bush had it pegged" is an embarrassment to human kind.

 

[The Guesser]

America had no business occupying another country for a decade. If they had a problem with Iraq, they should have gone in and did what they needed to do and get the hell out. A few weeks max. What a waste of money and lives.

Except we shouldn't have even been over there at all. And Now Obama compounded the bad situation Bush originally caused by going back. These fools never learn, much like some idiots on this board. They keep on doing dumb things.

 

[Acebb]

President Bush Predicted In 2007 With Frightening Accuracy What Is Happening Today In Iraq


The speech was made on July 12, 2007, at a time when Congressional leaders and citizens alike were weary of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and pushing for withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. Bush did not believe that a withdrawal would be a wise or strategic move, predicting a number of likely outcomes in Iraq if the United States threw in the towel.
Part of the reason for the election in 2008 of President Barack Obama was the hope by some that Obama would end the war in Iraq. As promised, the United States began an 18-month process of withdrawal. CNN boasted of the exit of the last of U.S. troops from Iraq shortly before Christmas 2011, a move that the commanders on the ground advised against.

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Obama is a laughable imbecile.

 

[vitterd]

This like the captain of the titanic predicting the ship would sink after he hit the iceberg and then blaming someone else. How comically stupid are republicans that buy this shit?

"Bush had it pegged" lmao. Only in conservative wacked out worlds

 

[Acebb]

This like the captain of the titanic predicting the ship would sink after he hit the iceberg and then blaming someone else. How comically stupid are republicans that buy this shit?

"Bush had it pegged" lmao. Only in conservative wacked out worlds

Except Bush wasn't "blaming someone else" dumb fuck, he was in office when he made those comments.

I guess you didn't learn reading comprehension in your masters program?


Oh, and here is how the President you voted for described the "titanic" :

we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people.
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This is an extraordinary achievement, nearly nine years in the making.

Here is what the Vice President you voted for had to say:

I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.

What a fucking moron you are.

 

[Acebb]

"Bush had it pegged" lmao.

Um, you can't point out anything Bush said that was incorrect on the matter, dumb fuck.

LMAO

 

[vitterd]

Um, you can't point out anything Bush said that was incorrect on the matter, dumb fuck.

LMAO

Uh, excpept that act of going to war with Iraq in the first place. He's responsible for all the death and destruction...he had it pegged all right....fucking idiot

 

[Acebb]

Uh, excpept that act of going to war with Iraq in the first place. He's responsible for all the death and destruction...he had it pegged all right....fucking idiot

Actually, Saddam is responsible for all that death and destruction.

Notice you aren't even addressing the topic of the thread.

You are so fucking dumb is is hilarious.

 

[vitterd]

Actually, Saddam is responsible for all that death and destruction.

Notice you aren't even addressing the topic of the thread.

You are so fucking dumb is is hilarious.

The topic of the thread is as dumb as a topic could be. First those idiots said we would be greeted as liberators there. How did that work out? Obama had it right when he was against this war. As usual the dumb fucks you support had it wrong.

You are really fucking stupid and proving your most worthless title yet again. Bush had it pegged. Hysterical.

And bush is reponsible for all the us deaths in iraq. Worst president in history

 

[vitterd]

The comedy of the article is that the author claims ira could be put in the win column in 2009?? Lmao. Iraq was a disaster then and always will be. Some people knew this before we even went there. So funny to watch these dolts rewrite history.

Remember when that idiot flew in to spike the football with his "mission accomplished" banner? Hahahah. Only russ, acebb and the other loons can actually support a thread like this.

 

[Acebb]

Bush had it pegged. Hysterical.

And bush is reponsible for all the us deaths in iraq. Worst president in history

I think you should demonstrate yet again that you can't point out anything Bush said wrong on the topic.

Saddam is responsible (why can't you spell responsible mr masters?) for all the deaths in Iraq.

Obama is the worst President in history.

 

[Acebb]

Iraq was a disaster then and always will be. Some people knew this before we even went there. So funny to watch these dolts rewrite history.

Remember when that idiot flew in to spike the football with his "mission accomplished" banner? Hahahah. Only russ, acebb and the other loons can actually support a thread like this.

It was such a "disaster" that Obama called it an "extraordinary achievement"

Note: you can't address that, you can only come up with stupid shit talking points that have no relationship to reality.

Bush didn't "fly in" to anywhere with any banner, idiot. He also didn't spike any football. I would paste the text of the speech Bush gave on the USS Lincoln, but what is the point? You would respond with more idiot lies.

You are so fucking dumb it is surreal.

 

[Acebb]

Remember when that idiot flew in to spike the football with his "mission accomplished" banner? Hahahah.

HA HA hahahaha, that never happened you dumb fuck liar.

Watching your comical ignorance of the military is embarrassing. You pretending to care that anyone in the military died in Iraq is disgusting. You are a fucking coward and a laughable p-ussy. Internet tough guy. LMFAO

 

[Acebb]

It's a shame what bush did to this country with that war. All the deaths that never should have happened. Can't be easy for him to sleep at night.

For this old fool to start a thread about "bush had it pegged" is an embarrassment to human kind.

You have made a number of posts in this thread that are so fucking dumb it is unbelievable.

You have yet to address the topic of the thread. Want to guess why?

 

[vitterd]

You have made a number of posts in this thread that are so fucking dumb it is unbelievable.

You have yet to address the topic of the thread. Want to guess why?

Bush didn't fly onto that airccraft carrier and declare mission accomplished? Lmao. Ok adam

Yeah, history will look back on bush and iraq war as an amazing success. You are so fucking stupid.

Great predicition by bush here. How did he think iraq would be when we pulled out? What a fucking moron you are. Only trumped by bush.

Good work adam....more posts right in a row to yourself. Too stupid to put all your thoughts in one post but you went to a top law school. Lmao...sure adam, sure

 

[Acebb]

Bush didn't fly onto that airccraft carrier and declare mission accomplished? Lmao. Ok adam

Yeah, history will look back on bush and iraq war as an amazing success. You are so fucking stupid.

No, he didn't, dumb fuck. How many more times do I have to point out you're a silly liar?

Um, who said history would look back on the Iraq war as an amazing success, idiot?

Oh, nobody.

Never mind.

You must have missed the reading comprehension classes when you got your "masters" stupid shit.

It is beyond hysterical to watch you call me "adam" What a bizarre idiot you are.