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George W. Bush didn't just lie about the Iraq War. What he did was much worse.

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(AP Photo/Susan Walsh) May 20, 2015 None of the conservatives running for president want to be associated with the last Republican president — not even his brother (for whom stepping away is rather complicated). After all, George W. Bush left office with an approval rating hovering in the low 30s, and his grandest project was the gigantic catastrophe of the Iraq War, which we're still dealing with and still debating. If you're a Republican right now you're no doubt wishing we could talk about something else, but failing that, you'd like the issue framed in a particular way: The war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault. For the moment I want to focus on the part about the lies. I've found over the years that conservatives who supported the war get particularly angry at the assertion that Bush lied us into war. No, they'll insist, it wasn't his fault: There was mistaken intelligence, he took that intelligence in good faith, and presented what he believed to be true at the time. It's the George Costanza defense: It's not a lie if you believe it. Here's the problem, though. It might be possible, with some incredibly narrow definition of the word "lie," to say that Bush told only a few outright lies on Iraq. Most of what he said in order to sell the public on the war could be said to have some basis in something somebody thought or something somebody alleged (Bush was slightly more careful than Dick Cheney, who lied without hesitation or remorse). But if we reduce the question of Bush's guilt and responsibility to how many lies we can count, we miss the bigger picture. What the Bush administration launched in 2002 and 2003 may have been the most comprehensive, sophisticated, and misleading campaign of government propaganda in American history. Spend too much time in the weeds, and you risk missing the hysterical tenor of the whole campaign. That's not to say there aren't plenty of weeds. In 2008, the Center for Public Integrity completed a project in which they went over the public statements by eight top Bush administration officials on the topic of Iraq, and found that no fewer than 935 were false, including 260 statements by President Bush himself. But the theory on which the White House operated was that whether or not you could fool all of the people some of the time, you could certainly scare them out of their wits. That's what was truly diabolical about their campaign.

And it was a campaign. In the summer of 2002, the administration established something called the White House Iraq Group, through which Karl Rove and other communication strategists like Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin coordinated with policy officials to sell the public on the threat from Iraq in order to justify war. "The script had been finalized with great care over the summer," White House press secretary Scott McClellan later wrote, for a "campaign to convince Americans that war with Iraq was inevitable and necessary." In that campaign, intelligence wasn't something to be understood and assessed by the administration in making their decisions, it was a propaganda tool to lead the public to the conclusion that the administration wanted. Again and again we saw a similar pattern: An allegation would bubble up from somewhere, some in the intelligence community would say that it could be true but others would say it was either speculation or outright baloney, but before you knew it the president or someone else was presenting it to the public as settled fact.
And each and every time the message was the same: If we didn't wage war, Iraq was going to attack the United States homeland with its enormous arsenal of ghastly weapons, and who knows how many Americans would perish. When you actually spell it out like that it sounds almost comical, but that was the Bush administration's assertion, repeated hundreds upon hundreds of time to a public still skittish in the wake of September 11. (Remember, the campaign for the war began less than a year after the September 11 attacks.)
Sometimes this message was imparted with specific false claims, sometimes with dark insinuation, and sometimes with speculation about the horrors to come ("We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud," said Bush and others when asked about the thinness of much of their evidence). Yet the conclusion was always the same: The only alternative to invading Iraq was waiting around to be killed. I could pick out any of a thousand quotes, but here's just one, from a radio address Bush gave on September 28, 2002:
The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing and continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year.
What wasn't utterly false in that statement was disingenuous at best. But if there was anything that marked the campaign, it was its certainty. There was seldom any doubt expressed or admitted, seldom any hint that the information we had was incomplete, speculative, and the matter of fevered debate amongst intelligence officials. But that's what was going on beneath the administration's sales job.
The intelligence wasn't "mistaken," as the Bush administration's defenders would have us believe today. The intelligence was a mass of contradictions and differing interpretations. The administration picked out the parts that they wanted — supported, unsupported, plausible, absurd, it didn't matter — and used them in their campaign to turn up Americans' fear.
This is one of the many sins for which Bush and those who supported him ought to spend a lifetime atoning. He looked out at the American public and decided that the way to get what he wanted was to terrify them. If he could convince them that any day now their children would die a horrible death, that they and everything they knew would be turned to radioactive ash, and that the only chance of averting this fate was to say yes to him, then he could have his war. Lies were of no less value than truth, so long as they both created enough fear.
And it worked.
http://theweek.com/articles/555921/george-w-bush-didnt-just-lie-about-iraq-war-what-did-much-worse
 

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Bush Administration Gave 'False Presentation' Of The True Intelligence, Briefer Charges

Posted: 05/20/2015 7:28 pm EDT Updated: 05/20/2015 8:59 pm EDT

WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidates have been arguing over the past week that, in hindsight, President George W. Bush made the best decision he could have based on faulty intelligence when he launched the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
In this telling of history, Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are cast as victims, and therefore blameless for the carnage and chaos that has resulted. But the man who briefed Bush and Cheney in the run-up to the war, former CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell, punctured that story Tuesday evening during an interview with MSNBC's Chris Matthews.
It wasn't that the intelligence community was giving the administration wholesale faulty intelligence. It was that the administration was lying to the American people about what the intelligence actually showed.


In two key areas, Morell said, Cheney gave out false information, both on the connection between Saddam Hussein's regime and al Qaeda, and on Iraq's pursuit of nuclear weapons. Remove those two charges, and there is little way to justify an invasion to the public -- even if one assumed, incorrectly, that Hussein was in possession of chemical or biological weapons. With no missile system to deliver such weapons to the U.S., and no connection to al Qaeda, the mere presence of such weapons -- some of which the U.S. had delivered to Iraq years earlier -- would hardly warrant war. Indeed, Syria's Bashar Assad, sitting just next door to Iraq, was in possession of chemical weapons and wasn't invaded.

Matthews played a clip of Cheney saying on NBC's "Meet the Press" in March 2003: “We know [Saddam Hussein] has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.”

Here is Matthews' conversation with Morell that followed:
MATTHEWS: You’re the briefer for the president on intelligence. You’re the top person to go in and tell him what’s going on. You see Cheney make this charge he’s got a nuclear bomb and then they make subsequent charges he’s knew how to deliver it … and nobody raised their hand and said, "No that’s not what we told him."
MORELL: Chris, Chris Chris, what’s my job, right? My job --
MATTHEWS: To tell the truth.
MORELL: My job -- no, as the briefer? As the briefer?
MATTHEWS: OK, go ahead.
MORELL: As the briefer, my job is to carry CIA’s best information and best analysis to the president of the United States and make sure he understands it. My job is to not watch what they’re saying on TV and say --
MATTHEWS: You think TV’s a joke?
MORELL: What?
MATTHEWS: You think it’s a joke that Cheney said that?
MORELL: That’s not my job. That’s not my job.
MATTHEWS: Did you know he did that?
MORELL: No, I wasn’t paying attention, I was studying what was on my desk every morning.
MATTHEWS: So you’re briefing the president on the reasons for war, they’re selling the war, using your stuff, saying you made that case when you didn’t. So they’re using your credibility to make the case for war dishonestly, as you just admitted.

MORELL: Look, I’m just telling you --
MATTHEWS: You just admitted it.
MORELL: I’m just telling you what we said --
MATTHEWS: They gave a false presentation of what you said to them.
MORELL: On some aspects. On some aspects.
MATTHEWS: He had a nuclear weapon!
MORELL: I’m telling you what we said.
MATTHEWS: That’s a big deal.
MORELL: Chris, I’m telling you what we said.
MATTHEWS: Do you agree? It’s a big deal that they claimed they had a weapon when you knew they didn’t.

MORELL: It’s a big deal. It’s a big deal.
Matthews later quizzed Morell on the Bush administration's implication that Iraq was connected to al Qaeda:

MORELL: What they were saying about the link between Iraq and al Qaeda publicly was not what the intelligence community --
MATTHEWS: Why were they doing it?
MORELL: I don’t know, you need to ask them.
MATTHEWS: But what do you think is the reason, do I have to tell you the reason? To get us into the freaking war!
MORELL: I think they were trying to make a stronger case for the war.

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how cute, Guesser can rhyme

cluelessness is boundless, it's what the democrats rely on. It's the essence of their message, he represents their high school drop out, low income & uninformed base very well.

3 to 1 he's a 47%er too






PS: only know what he said in his thread title, would never read anything else (wish theRx would block threads started too, but they don't. However, one still doesn't lose as much IQ as they would should they read entire posts)

PS II: G'morning bitches
 

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George W. Bush didn't just lie about the Iraq War. What he did was much worse.


Shit for brains,

Hitlery got the same exact Intelligence Report that GW got. The...exact...same...one. The Intelligence Assessment said the same thing to Hitlery (and the rest of Congress) as it did to GW.

So, GW fooled MI-6, too?

He fooled Bill the rapist Clinton before GW was even President?

He fooled the Iranians?

He fooled Mossad?

He fooled the Russian SVR?

He fooled the Saudis' GIP?

He fooled the Kuwaitis?

He fooled the Jordanians?

He fooled the United Fucking Nations...?

Because ALL of the above thought Saddam had WMDs too.

You are a fucking dimwitted asswipe. As are virtually all dimocraps.

Childish, juvenile and lying scumbags.
 

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I've always enjoyed this Washington Post profile of forum loon guesser. It encapsulates this weirdo perfectly.


In the angry life of Maryscott O'Connor, the rage begins as soon as she opens her eyes and realizes that her president is still George W. Bush. The sun has yet to rise and her family is asleep, but no matter; as soon as the realization kicks in, O'Connor, 37, is out of bed and heading toward her computer.


Out there, awaiting her building fury: the Angry Left, where O'Connor's reputation is as one of the angriest of all. "One long, sustained scream" is how she describes the writing she does for various Web logs, as she wonders what she should scream about this day.


She smokes a cigarette. Should it be about Bush, whom she considers "malevolent," a "sociopath" and "the Antichrist"? She smokes another cigarette. Should it be about Vice President Cheney, whom she thinks of as "Satan," or about Karl Rove, "the devil"? Should it be about the "evil" Republican Party, or the "weaselly, capitulating, self-aggrandizing, self-serving" Democrats, or the Catholic Church, for which she says "I have a special place in my heart . . . a burning, sizzling, putrescent place where the guilty suffer the tortures of the damned"?



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^ guesser screeching against President Bush
 
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Shit for brains,

Hitlery got the same exact Intelligence Report that GW got. The...exact...same...one. The Intelligence Assessment said the same thing to Hitlery (and the rest of Congress) as it did to GW.

So, GW fooled MI-6, too?

He fooled Bill the rapist Clinton before GW was even President?

He fooled the Iranians?

He fooled Mossad?

He fooled the Russian SVR?

He fooled the Saudis' GIP?

He fooled the Kuwaitis?

He fooled the Jordanians?

He fooled the United Fucking Nations...?

Because ALL of the above thought Saddam had WMDs too.

You are a fucking dimwitted asswipe. As are virtually all dimocraps.

Childish, juvenile and lying scumbags.

That's all these dumb bitches have. We've got the President in office who campaigned on an anti-war platform, and he's been involved in at least 7 wars - but yet these mindless maggots are still talking about Bush? What a fucking idiot.

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Shit for brains,

Hitlery got the same exact Intelligence Report that GW got. The...exact...same...one. The Intelligence Assessment said the same thing to Hitlery (and the rest of Congress) as it did to GW.

So, GW fooled MI-6, too?

He fooled Bill the rapist Clinton before GW was even President?

He fooled the Iranians?

He fooled Mossad?

He fooled the Russian SVR?

He fooled the Saudis' GIP?

He fooled the Kuwaitis?

He fooled the Jordanians?

He fooled the United Fucking Nations...?

Because ALL of the above thought Saddam had WMDs too.

You are a fucking dimwitted asswipe. As are virtually all dimocraps.

Childish, juvenile and lying scumbags.
Badafuckingbing, their knowledge base is shallow, reasoning worse, integrity non existent and the end result is a guesser
 

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Good stuff Guesser....that's why the bush administration was the worst in United States history. The amount of deaths and blood on their hands cannot even be calculated. Just think how many families would still have their loved ones if Jeb didn't steal Florida for his brother. The Bush family has changed this country in so many ways.....economic collapse and war on lies will be his legacy....oh and Isis as well. Thanks W!!!!
 
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Good stuff Guesser....that's why the bush administration was the worst in United States history. The amount of deaths and blood on their hands cannot even be calculated. Just think how many families would still have their loved ones if Jeb didn't steal Florida for his brother. The Bush family has changed this country in so many ways.....economic collapse and war on lies will be his legacy....oh and Isis as well. Thanks W!!!!

Jeb stole Florida? BWHAAHAHAHAHHHAAH These lemmings are so laughably stupid.
 

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Guesser posts a laughable thread based on an article written by Paul Waldman - check him out:

The Liberal Hate Of Paul Waldman Represents Too Many Of The American Democrats

Paul Waldman: “Think fast: Which politicians from the other side do you merely dislike, and which do you absolutelydespise? Can you say why?
I was thinking about this because of Harry Reid, who really, really gets on conservatives’ nerves, and seems to be constantly trying to figure out new ways to make them mad. Unlike Nancy Pelosi, who generates contempt from the right mostly for who she is (a San Francisco liberal, a woman with power), with Reid it’s about what he does, specifically his propensity for saying things about conservatives that are over the top. Most liberals look at Reid and see him as an extremely skilled legislative leader…”
Take Sarah Palin. Democrats find her exasperating not just because she’s a blithering fool who nearly came a heartbeat away from the presidency, but because she luxuriates in her nincompoopery. And importantly, she expresses her own limitless contempt at liberals—not only them as people, but the places they live and the things they do. It’s hard not to hate somebody who so clearly hates you. And she’s important enough (or at least was) to care about……. Rick Santorum? He’s got the extremism, but he’s kind of a joke. Jeb Bush? Please. Chris Christie? Now hold on—there’s a guy you could grow to hate. here
Liberal bloviate and pontificate with such egotistic gusto…. all the while preaching to the rest of humanity the glories of “tolerance” and “diversity”. Of course, Liberals must redefine the definition of ‘tolerance’ to mean, agreement — agreement with their ideology.
This buffoonish writer, Paul Waldman, is another glowing example of their contempt for tolerance and diversity. He doesn’t bothers to point out to readers, the inaccuracies of his intolerance and intentionally misleading article.
Harry Reid: He is indeed loathed by many on the Right side of the political spectrum. In general, Conservatives believe in and stand by principled, ethical standards and moral honesty, which are characteristics people used to strive for personally, as they and look for those qualities in those who would represent them in the highest levels of government. There’s a reason Democrat Sen. Harry Reid, has the nick name, “dirty” Harry. The man is a provable, pathological liar. You can catch him in a lie about every time he opens his mouth on the Senate Floor. I’ve wondered how he looks himself in the mirror, it’s become so despicable. To say “Most liberals look at Reid and see him as an extremely skilled legislative leader..” is sadly, correct. But what Reid exhibits isn’t “leadership” anymore than Obama is a leader. It’s simply dirty politics with the ideology of “the ends justify the means”.
Reid lied about Gov. Mitt Romney “not paying his taxes in ten years”. Information he claimed he received from some “anonymous” person. He lied about Cliven Bundy in Nevada, saying much the same about his taxes, which was a provable lie. The real question should be, if Reid had this information, how did he get his dirty fingers on private tax information of a private citizen, which would be illegal?
Harry Reid is loathed, or hated by some, not because of his “skilled leadership” of the Democrats in the Senate, but his unethical tactics. He’s the typical, nasty political hack. A person of proved corrupt morals and unethical standards. He’s a disgrace to the U.S. Senate and to the people he represents.
Nancy Pelosi is indeed a far Left Liberal, which translate to a radical Liberal/ Socialists. She’s also a woman of low character, who malign her “political enemies” and lies about them as well, incapable or uninterested in honest debate of issue when lies will suffice. She, as Reid, refuses to allow Republicans to present issues for debate when she ran the House. But now being in the Minority, she demands equal footing at the same table? Hypocrisy and dirty dealing is nothing to be respected.
Governor Scott Walker is a good and descent man who did what the voters of Wisconsin elected him to do — get them out of debt from previous Democrat administration and end the heavy-handed control of Unions bosses. He did that. And Democrats hate him for it, and their ‘hate’, translate into “scorched earth policies” of personal destruction. Not debate of issues.
Sarah Palin is a true feminist — an attractive, successful married woman with a family, who handles both career and home. One of her sins, according to the Left, is giving birth to a child who is ‘challenged’ or retarded (I see no offense in the term). She was a successful Mayor and Governor of Alaska and was invited to be a Presidential VP candidate. And the Party who claims to be the Party of Women… hates her for all the aforementioned — because they ‘disagree’ on issues. Issues such as a strong belief in God and giving birth to a less than perfect baby. Gov. Palin is smart and knows her business, as was proved with Russia most recently. Yet the contempt and “hate” that the ‘tolerant’, ‘open minded’, ‘compassionate’, woman supporting Liberal Democrats, is breathtakingly stunning.
Waldman’s list goes on. He obviously “hates” everyone with Conservatives principles. Principles. Convictions, standards and ethics. Something liberal Democrats don’t particularly support, by the people they elect and donate money too. And that’s the real problem — values.
Liberals/ Democrats have an ideology — not principles beliefs. They have an agenda and not a vision. And they rail against all they don’t approve, making demands that conservative Americans must give up their values and principles to embrace the radical Liberal ideology. This is the War America is current embroiled in. One which will settle for another hundred years what America will ‘go back to’ ……. or be forced into.
Democrats and their drone followers, like Waldman, do “hate”. They want the rest of us to hate what they hate. What does that say about Waldman, Democrat talking heads on MSNBC and the like, the politicians and ‘journalist’, who spread the hate like peanut butter on bread? I think the answer is obvious.
To answer Waldman’s question: I don’t hate or despise any of the people he mentioned and clearly is slant was directed at hating Republicans’. What I do hate is journalists and politicians who live on drumming up hatred, instead of delving into honest, and I do mean honest as defined by Webster’s (honorable in principles, intentions, and actions; upright and fair; showing uprightness and fairness: honest dealings) debate. That would be refreshing.


From the above:
To answer Waldman’s question: I don’t hate or despise any of the people he mentioned and clearly is slant was directed at hating Republicans’. What I do hate is journalists and politicians who live on drumming up hatred, instead of delving into honest, and I do mean honest as defined by Webster’s (honorable in principles, intentions, and actions; upright and fair; showing uprightness and fairness: honest dealings) debate. That would be refreshing.
 

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Jeb stole Florida? BWHAAHAHAHAHHHAAH These lemmings are so laughably stupid.
Road blocks blocking black voters....sending many to wrong polling place. That was flat out bush robbery.....then Katherine Harris.....what a rob job. And looked what it caused....9/11, economic collapse and Isis....quite a legacy W. Thanks!!!!
 

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Road blocks blocking black voters....sending many to wrong polling place. That was flat out bush robbery.....then Katherine Harris.....what a rob job. And looked what it caused....9/11, economic collapse and Isis....quite a legacy W. Thanks!!!!

Um, zero black voters were prevented from voting due to road blocks, idiot.

Nobody was sent to any "wrong polling place" you laughable fucking moron.

You have to love the "many" as if that is some sort of fact.

The UCCR did not find any evidence of what you're claiming to be true.

You are so dumb it is comical.
 

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And looked what it caused....9/11, economic collapse and Isis....quite a legacy W. Thanks!!!!

Um, 9/11 wasn't "caused" by President Bush, dumb fuck.

Neither was any economic collapse or ISIS.

You are a screeching moron.
 

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I remember when the Supreme Court "stole" the election for President Bush. Now it is Jeb Bush, apparently.

From the US Commission on Civil Rights

on November 7, 2000, the FHP established a checkpoint on Oak Ridge Road in Southern Leon County between the hours of 10 a.m. and 11:30 a.m. The demographic makeup of the precincts surrounding the Oak Ridge Road checkpoint are as follows: (1) Precinct 107 is 82 percent Caucasian and 13 percent African American; (2) Precinct 109 is 37 percent Caucasian and 57 percent African American; and (3) Precinct 110 is 70 percent Caucasian and 24 percent African American Approximately 150 vehicles were stopped as a result of the Oak Ridge Road checkpoint that day. According to FHP records, of the 16 citizens who received notices of faulty equipment, six (37 percent) were people of color.

On the afternoon of Election Day, the FHP received notice of a complaint to the attorney general’s office that FHP troopers had hindered people of color from arriving at polling places due to the Oak Ridge Road checkpoint. Colonel Hall indicated that “the FHP was the first statewide law enforcement agency in the county to voluntarily begin collecting data concerning traffic stops in response to the racial profiling issue.” The racial breakdown of the 150 drivers stopped at that checkpoint on Election Day, however, is not available.

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Note: there were zero people prevented from voting due to ROAD BLOCKS!!!

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Look at these horrific road blocks!!!!


When John Nelson, an African American resident of Jefferson County in Tallahassee, went to his assigned polling place, Precinct 6, to vote, he saw an unoccupied FHP vehicle parked across the street.

The FHP vehicle’s presence piqued Mr. Nelson’s curiosity, and after voting, he drove to a precinct in the downtown area on North Washington Street and saw another FHP vehicle parked outside the precinct

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Anyway:

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guesser probably shouldn't take huffington post as fact.

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We already know that blacks were prevented from voting in Florida with road blocks and liars at the polls sending voters on wild goose chases to find their polling place. This is already known.

And 9/11 happened on bush watch and economic collapse but somehow none of it his fault!!!!! But it rains outside and you partisan hacks blame Obama. Ok clowns. Lmao. How do you nitwits function?
 
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Road blocks blocking black voters....sending many to wrong polling place. That was flat out bush robbery.....then Katherine Harris.....what a rob job. And looked what it caused....9/11, economic collapse and Isis....quite a legacy W. Thanks!!!!

Vitterd = documented liar.
 

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Vitterd = documented liar.
You keep singing that same song but can't find any lies. You gonna try that hannity quote thing from 4 years ago again?

speaking of lying....ever gonna answer Guesser on why you claim you've never been to a website that you use to post your spam garbage?
 

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Vitterd = documented liar.

That's why he spent a year talking to himself in the RR. Claimed to be a "winning handicapper" but when chips were down he couldn't even break .500.

The "should have won record" stuff was priceless.

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