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is there a British version of the RX where British degenerates discuss betting on Soccer?

After all they bet 5 times more than Americans...

there has got to be.... hasnt there?:think:

With the NHL on Strike I am looking for some more weekday action....

Can anyone offer some tips, links, tricks to beating soccer? the RX soccer room is a morgue....
 

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Fish, there must be a way we can EXPLOIT soccer odds from a mathematics standpoint even if we do not know the sport... no?


let's figure this out.....
 

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Fish, there must be a way we can EXPLOIT soccer odds from a mathematics standpoint even if we do not know the sport... no?


let's figure this out.....
Ya know, you certainly would think so and am sure this is.

This is one sport that i havent personally attacked in one way or another.
 

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This is one sport that i havent personally attacked in one way or another.
with the NHL on strike, this may be a perfect year to do a little more research....

One idea I have had in the past is in relation to the 3WAY betting we often see in SOCCER...

example:

TEAM A -200
TIE +300
TEAM B +400

My idea is to SHOP the hell at many many different books.... (I have seen quite varying odds).... The strategy would then include betting on Both TIE & TEAM B (The positions with the PLUS VIG)....... WIth the benefit of line shopping, it may be profitable?:think:
 

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SportSavant said:
with the NHL on strike, this may be a perfect year to do a little more research....

One idea I have had in the past is in relation to the 3WAY betting we often see in SOCCER...

example:

TEAM A -200
TIE +300
TEAM B +400

My idea is to SHOP the hell at many many different books.... (I have seen quite varying odds).... The strategy would then include betting on Both TIE & TEAM B (The positions with the PLUS VIG)....... WIth the benefit of line shopping, it may be profitable?:think:
it's excellent, many times i ask for a bet
i ask for draw/no bet/ then the bookmaker
has to recalculate the odds without the tie option
99% of the offshore books, (non UK) have no idea how to
recalculate that option. so they leave open
a good option to scalp in the other side
with a big margin of profits.

for example:


TEAM A -200
TIE +300
TEAM B +400

then you ask for draw/no bet.
on the A team

most of the carribean bookmakers will give you something like this:

TEAM A -280

go to another place and ask for the Team B with the draw/nobet.

TEAM B +380. even if you convince the bookmaker, he probably stand with the +400.

the real calculation should be Team A -401 and up.
don't do that with sportinbet or bet365 cauze they really
know how to setup those odds...



also, if you follow rite well the local news and coverage
you get an option to scalp with futures, on different tournaments.

now since you're from northamerica, you should follow the concacaf and maybe conmebol federations, and don't try to be superman betting on european or asian tournaments since you don't live there....
 

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it's excellent, many times i ask for a bet
i ask for draw/no bet/ then the bookmaker
has to recalculate the odds without the tie option
99% of the offshore books, (non UK) have no idea how to
recalculate that option. so they leave open
a good option to scalp in the other side
with a big margin of profits.

for example:


TEAM A -200
TIE +300
TEAM B +400

then you ask for draw/no bet.
on the A team

most of the carribean bookmakers will give you something like this:

TEAM A -280

go to another place and ask for the Team B with the draw/nobet.

TEAM B +380. even if you convince the bookmaker, he probably stand with the +400.


Let me not be surprised, if this turns out to be really true!

Anyhow Europeans are not that smart when it comes to betting on the European football. You will find much more knowlegde in Asia. www.soccermamak.net is the best!
 

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SportSavant said:
Fish, there must be a way we can EXPLOIT soccer odds from a mathematics standpoint even if we do not know the sport... no?


let's figure this out.....
SS:

Betting on soccer is like any other sport, when there are high stakes involved formulas can't exploit the odds. If this were so, the books would be broke by now.

The best way to do well is to understand the sport. Sure, formulas can help you do better but there is no substitute for experience.
 

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acw wrote:

"Anyhow Europeans are not that smart when it comes to betting on the European football. You will find much more knowlegde in Asia. www.soccermamak.net is the best!"

I just checked site you posted and I'm not impressed at all. People just seem to post their picks. No any analysis, percentages or size of a bet, just picks. Then ten suckers replies GOOD LUCK or something useless stuff. Maybe the best site to follow soccer in English (well, at least understandable) is

http://forum.bettingadvice.com/index.php

There are some sites in Sweden and Finland, which have good posters, but text is in Swedish or Finnish.

acw, you always seem to post how intelligent Asians are compared to any other nationality when talking about betting. That statement is same crap as when our politicians says: It's like winning a lotto to born in Finland. Well, if they think that getting 3 numbers correct is a lotto win, then they might be right.

Why Asian bookies can offer -102/-102 vs Pinnacle -104/-104 on soccer? Thats because most Asians doesn't have a clue about money management. They might win big someday, but in the end they will lose. They bet big with their hearts, not with their brains. Of course there are some smart people in Asia, but I'm almost sure that distribution of winners/losers there is same as USAor Europe.
 

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acw wrote:



Why Asian bookies can offer -102/-102 vs Pinnacle -104/-104 on soccer? Thats because most Asians doesn't have a clue about money management. They might win big someday, but in the end they will lose. They bet big with their hearts, not with their brains. Of course there are some smart people in Asia, but I'm almost sure that distribution of winners/losers there is same as USAor Europe.


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There are mathematical opportunities to beat the sport. But like a previous poster stated there is no substitute for understanding the sport/league you are betting on.

In terms of discussion forums there aren't any real good ones except maybe the Betfair forum (watch out for "rampers").

The situation is the same as for US sports though. In order to make profits using mathematical certainties you need to play at increasingly risky outs such as Mansion etc.

Plus if you cannot open a betting exchange account such as Betfair you will be seriously hampered in your attempts to turn a profit.

Overall I would say a better option is to stick with US sports.
 

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Knowing the sport is really important
Imagine you are betting NE Patriots -4. Line moves to a PK because someone says Brady is not gonna play. Would you still bet them?
Soccer is basically the same, the difference is if you do not know anything about the game, much less the players, and info like that is necessary to bet any sport.

ie. Brazil playing France. Total 2½ un -125
Info.. Ronaldo will not be playing. Total now??? What would you do?
 

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I would only trust a Euro on soccer only

any American or Canadian has no clue on soccer
 

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Thats because most Asians doesn't have a clue about money management.


BTW, did you saw cr against canada yest?...
 

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