Does this move make the BRAVES a better team on July 28th, 2007?
YES
Does this make the BRAVES a better team on April 1st, 2008 and beyond?
NO
Personally I think we gave up too much. But this division is there for the taking.
YES
Does this make the BRAVES a better team on April 1st, 2008 and beyond?
NO
Personally I think we gave up too much. But this division is there for the taking.
I guess you are forgetting that Howard is the NL MVP...and you have nobody at the top of your line-up to compare with Rollins and Utley...what it comes down to Homer, is pitching, that's why your Braves and my Phillies will not get it done this year...it is a battle for second...our relief pitching just got a little better with Gordon and Myers coming back...the Braves relief stinks...always has and always will....that's why the Braves have only one world champinship out of the last 13 or 14 years.....Pitching almost always beats great hitting....:aktion033 :aktion033
Damm that looks good on paper doesnt it?
Now all we need is another starter.
Never would have thought I would have said "I miss Mike Hampton, but I do.
You don't have anybody at the top of your lineup like Utley either...:missingte
And, obviously, injuries are injuries, but Mike Gonzalez going down has been a killer for the Braves so far this season. That guy's a stud, and next year, hopefully when he's back, our relief pitching will be much better, particularly with the addition of Mahay, assuming he doesn't collapse. Yes, Rafael Soriano has gone through tough times lately--he seems to be coming out of it--but check his stats up until the all star break. He's easily a top5 reliever in the NL.
Also, I disagree that this is a race for 2nd place. The Mets are a very flawed team this year.
You also need to take into consideration that tex was playing his home games in 1 of the best hitters parks in MLB plus was hitting in the AL, where there's many more runs scored, rbi opp's with the DH.....let's see what he does when he's trying to do that playing in shea or one of the many other pitcher's ball parks in the NL....i'm not knocking Atlanta, because i think its a great move this year...(not for the future becaause Salty is gonna be a star.)...plus u have a good young catcher in Mcann....i just dont think their anywhere near the best lineup in MLB...they might even be 3rd best in the NL east...(mets, phillies)....arguably of course....i would acually put them up there with the mets...but.....
Hard to say. They're keeping him under wraps obviously by having him rehab in the caribbean...I know they've kept it up all year, I just have serious doubts about a team whose rotation is John Maine, Jorge Sosa, El Duque, Tom Glavine and Oliver Perez.
And theticket_22, you really think that lineup is 3rd in the NL East? Give me a break. Call me crazy for saying it's best in the NL, but 3rd in the East? Please!
And theticket_22, you really think that lineup is 3rd in the NL East? Give me a break. Call me crazy for saying it's best in the NL, but 3rd in the East? Please!
This is the move that will allow the Braves to contecnd for a title...not the Wildcard!
You can't get a stud like Texiera everyday. He is a younger version of Chipper. He is a great hitter. Not necessarily a slugger, but a great hitter. He will force the pitcher to make great pitches every at bat. He will hit the ball to all fields. He will produce by driving in runs...I can't imagine how many RBI's he would have had he been in AJ's spot the entire year. 3 guys in front of him with near a .335 average combined.
We gave up one sure fire stud in Salty. A great 'prospect', in Andrus, who IMO was going to be wasted in our organization with Lil, and Esc in front of him. And a couple of pitchers, the better of the two, if it is Harriosn, who already has arm problems.
I don't think it is too much.
Tex will make our line-up better and our defense better. You can't ask for too much more that that.
You can't get a stud like Texiera everyday. He is a younger version of Chipper. He is a great hitter. Not necessarily a slugger, but a great hitter. He will force the pitcher to make great pitches every at bat. He will hit the ball to all fields. He will produce by driving in runs...I can't imagine how many RBI's he would have had he been in AJ's spot the entire year. 3 guys in front of him with near a .335 average combined.
We gave up one sure fire stud in Salty. A great 'prospect', in Andrus, who IMO was going to be wasted in our organization with Lil, and Esc in front of him. And a couple of pitchers, the better of the two, if it is Harriosn, who already has arm problems.
I don't think it is too much.
Tex will make our line-up better and our defense better. You can't ask for too much more that that.
Steve Phillips is an idiot. A Jones is a 10/5 guy and has said repeatedly he won't accept a trade during the season. There would have to be an extension involved, and even then I still don't see it happening.
What I do see happening is the Braves just taking the draft picks and letting him walk after this year--that is, unless he says fuck you to Boras like he did for his last contract and signs at a discount to stay in Atlanta, which is possible considering his horrible season--and then the Braves going full-bore after Teixeira this offseason to sign an extension with the money they'll save by not having Andruw.
Also, I don't think Shuerholz is done. There was a lot of speculation about heavy negotiations between him and Dayton Moore of the Royals. Moore used to be the head scout for the Braves organization and therefore loves a lot of the Braves guys. (See Tony Pena Jr. who is now lighting it up for KC). Talk of perhaps Kyle Davies and/or a position player (Woodward, Thorman) going to KC for Dotel or Greinke.
Also lots of talk of Shuerholz trading Edgar Renteria for a stud SP, perhaps one that hasn't been talked about a lot so far in the trade rumors. I would certainly have mixed feelings about dealing Edgar if it happened...it would obviously depend on the SP who comes back, but Edgar's value is EXTREMELY high right now with the season he's been having, and Cox and the rest of the staff are obviously very high on Escobar. If we could get a legit #1/#2 guy to put in our #3/#4 hole in exchange for Edgar, that could be great. I am a big fan of Kelly Johnson and believe he could step into the #2 hole no problem.
What I do see happening is the Braves just taking the draft picks and letting him walk after this year--that is, unless he says fuck you to Boras like he did for his last contract and signs at a discount to stay in Atlanta, which is possible considering his horrible season--and then the Braves going full-bore after Teixeira this offseason to sign an extension with the money they'll save by not having Andruw.
Also, I don't think Shuerholz is done. There was a lot of speculation about heavy negotiations between him and Dayton Moore of the Royals. Moore used to be the head scout for the Braves organization and therefore loves a lot of the Braves guys. (See Tony Pena Jr. who is now lighting it up for KC). Talk of perhaps Kyle Davies and/or a position player (Woodward, Thorman) going to KC for Dotel or Greinke.
Also lots of talk of Shuerholz trading Edgar Renteria for a stud SP, perhaps one that hasn't been talked about a lot so far in the trade rumors. I would certainly have mixed feelings about dealing Edgar if it happened...it would obviously depend on the SP who comes back, but Edgar's value is EXTREMELY high right now with the season he's been having, and Cox and the rest of the staff are obviously very high on Escobar. If we could get a legit #1/#2 guy to put in our #3/#4 hole in exchange for Edgar, that could be great. I am a big fan of Kelly Johnson and believe he could step into the #2 hole no problem.
very nice , they appear to have paid dearly but, the future is now...Braves will still have a hard time with that staff and pen....it definitely gives them a shot though...these sort of moves usually have less significance then they appear when a player like this comes over in mid-late season.
The Braves did trade there #1 prospect in the minors for him and SALTY. This is going to be either a boom or bust trade.
I remember when capalon and Marte were supposed to be the next alltime greats.
Hopefully the players wont devolop.
BOOM OR BUST.
I remember when capalon and Marte were supposed to be the next alltime greats.
Hopefully the players wont devolop.
BOOM OR BUST.
