Boxslayer's CFB Week 12 (45-28, +24.05 units, 62%)

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2008 Overall: 45-28, +24.05 units, 62%
2007 Overall: 60-42, +45.45 units, 59%
2006 Overall: 65-36, +45.49 units, 64%
3-Year Total: 170-106, +114.99 units, 62%
Last Week: 6-7, -8.7 units
36-19 (66%) past 6 weeks.

Bad week last week, still hitting over 60%. So, I was happy people were able to keep things in perspective and hopefully using proper money management. Another losing week is in the cards for sure, it could be this week again, it could be next week. I don't know when it's going to happen, it may happen 4 weeks in a row. So stay smart. A lot of people completely missed the point of me saying Minny was the right play last week. It had nothing to do with what happened on the field. Don't abandon successful fundamentals. I have hit 60% on roughly 300 plays over 3 different season. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, bad weeks won't steer me off course. And however it is you cap, if you what you are doing is successful, a losing week, or a couple losing weeks shouldn't steer you of course either.

GL this week.
 

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1* Northern Illinois Huskies -4 -110

LeFavour questionable. I dont care if he plays or not. My line is Huskies -10 even with him in the game.

Chippewas can't beat the Huskies. Northern Illinois has their number. Huskies giving up 9PPG at home.

Not going to put a big write up on this game, trying to finish up my excel sheet for the week. I am excited about it as I made a few teaks.
 

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Good luck this week bro! Good to see your playin some this week, wasn't sure if you were gonna take one off...As always, can't tell you enough how much of an asset you are to this forum and I completely agree with you on the Minny play analysis...Thanks for the work and again GL!!!

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Keep it up, BoxSlayer!

Agree with you on this game. Good luck and great job this year, boxslayer.

"Strange, but you have been on EVERY game I bet this week."

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2008 Overall: 45-28, +24.05 units, 62%
2007 Overall: 60-42, +45.45 units, 59%
2006 Overall: 65-36, +45.49 units, 64%
3-Year Total: 170-106, +114.99 units, 62%
Last Week: 6-7, -8.7 units
36-19 (66%) past 6 weeks.

Bad week last week, still hitting over 60%. So, I was happy people were able to keep things in perspective and hopefully using proper money management. Another losing week is in the cards for sure, it could be this week again, it could be next week. I don't know when it's going to happen, it may happen 4 weeks in a row. So stay smart. A lot of people completely missed the point of me saying Minny was the right play last week. It had nothing to do with what happened on the field. Don't abandon successful fundamentals. I have hit 60% on roughly 300 plays over 3 different season. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, bad weeks won't steer me off course. And however it is you cap, if you what you are doing is successful, a losing week, or a couple losing weeks shouldn't steer you of course either.

GL this week.
box,with all due respect it looks like you are the one missin the point.you have got to know that you were wrong about that game in order to learn from it...stubborness can cost ye....love northern illinois tonight
 

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One of the things I did this week, that I usually do once per year late in the season, is a full analysis of what wins football games. I compile all of the stats using Microsoft Excel queries, and I sort by each stat, one at a time. And then I determine how each stat directly effects PPG and win% for college football.

Below is how each stat category ranks out and how each one effects the outcome of football games...
 

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<table x:str="" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 371pt;" width="493" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><col style="width: 105pt;" width="140"> <col style="width: 109pt;" width="145"> <col style="width: 80pt;" width="106"> <col style="width: 77pt;" width="102"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; width: 105pt;" width="140" height="17">Category</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 109pt;" width="145">Description</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 80pt;" width="106">PT Margin</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 77pt;" width="102">Win Margin</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">3rd Down % Off</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">2.76</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.61</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass OFF</td> <td class="xl24">YPG</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.52</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.61</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">1st Downs/Gm</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">3.33</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.53</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass OFF</td> <td class="xl24">YPC</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.76</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.49</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rush DEF</td> <td class="xl24">YPC</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.90</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.49</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rush DEF</td> <td class="xl24">YPG</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.41</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.49</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">1st DWn DEF</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.77</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.45</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">Sacks</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">0.78</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.43</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Turn and Pen</td> <td class="xl24">TO Margin</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.22</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.43</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Red Zone DEF</td> <td class="xl24">Percent</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.84</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.37</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Red Zone OFF</td> <td class="xl24">Pts/Drive</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.26</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.37</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass DEF</td> <td class="xl24">YPC</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.06</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.35</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">3rd % DEF</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.76</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.31</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass DEF</td> <td class="xl24">Comp %</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.21</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.29</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rush OFF</td> <td class="xl24">YPC</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.95</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.29</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Turn and Pen</td> <td class="xl24">Pen/Gm</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.94</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.27</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass OFF</td> <td class="xl24">Comp %</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">0.60</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.25</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rush OFF</td> <td class="xl24">YPG</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.21</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.21</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Turn and Pen</td> <td class="xl24">Pen Yards/Gm</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.20</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.19</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass DEF</td> <td class="xl24">YPG</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.40</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.17</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
 

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box,with all due respect it looks like you are the one missin the point.you have got to know that you were wrong about that game in order to learn from it...stubborness can cost ye....love northern illinois tonight

No, you are missing the point here by a mile. Trust me. I know the point I am trying to make and it has nothing to do with Minnesota or Michigan as football teams.
 

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<table x:str="" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 371pt;" width="493" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><col style="width: 105pt;" width="140"> <col style="width: 109pt;" width="145"> <col style="width: 80pt;" width="106"> <col style="width: 77pt;" width="102"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; width: 105pt;" width="140" height="17">Category</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 109pt;" width="145">Description</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 80pt;" width="106">PT Margin</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 77pt;" width="102">Win Margin</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">3rd Down % Off</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">2.76</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.61</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass OFF</td> <td class="xl24">YPG</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.52</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.61</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">1st Downs/Gm</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">3.33</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.53</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass OFF</td> <td class="xl24">YPC</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.76</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.49</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rush DEF</td> <td class="xl24">YPC</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.90</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.49</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rush DEF</td> <td class="xl24">YPG</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.41</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.49</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">1st DWn DEF</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.77</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.45</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">Sacks</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">0.78</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.43</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Turn and Pen</td> <td class="xl24">TO Margin</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.22</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.43</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Red Zone DEF</td> <td class="xl24">Percent</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.84</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.37</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Red Zone OFF</td> <td class="xl24">Pts/Drive</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.26</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.37</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass DEF</td> <td class="xl24">YPC</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">2.06</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.35</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Converting</td> <td class="xl24">3rd % DEF</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.76</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.31</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass DEF</td> <td class="xl24">Comp %</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.21</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.29</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rush OFF</td> <td class="xl24">YPC</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.95</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.29</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Turn and Pen</td> <td class="xl24">Pen/Gm</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.94</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.27</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass OFF</td> <td class="xl24">Comp %</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">0.60</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.25</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rush OFF</td> <td class="xl24">YPG</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.21</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.21</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Turn and Pen</td> <td class="xl24">Pen Yards/Gm</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.20</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.19</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pass DEF</td> <td class="xl24">YPG</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="">1.40</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="">0.17</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

How to read this:

A point margin is the difference in average points per game between tiers.

1st tier is Top 10 teams in that stat category average X number of points per game. 2nd tier may average 3 points less per game. Bla bla.

The point is....the higher the point margin, the more points a team scores when they execute the stat shown. i.e. A team that is top 10 in converting 1st downs/game offensively (OFF) will score 3.33 points per game more and win 0.53 more games per year than a team that executes that stat line in the top 25. A top 10 team will score 6.66 points per game more than a team that executes that stat in the top 50. They will score 9.99 points per game more than a team that executes that stat in the top 75. And so on.

In regards to the scoreboard, a team that converts 1st downs and ranks in the top 10 in first down conversions, will score more points per game, than a team that is top 10 in yards per pass attempt (YPC or Yards per catch).

This isnt necessarily something you can do any math on, but rather, it is an interesting chart to show what wins football games when looking at stats as a general observation.

According to the stats from this season:

The team that can convert the most 3rd downs will have the best combination of winning games and scoring points. Converting 3rd downs is more important than rushing offense, rushing defense, turnover margin, etc.

Looking at this as a very general rule, the team that can convert the most 3rd downs, convert the most 1st downs, hopefully through passing, and can stop the run on defense, is going to win and cover A LOT of games.
 

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class="xl24" x:num="85.939594947110393" align="right">85.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Georgia</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="82.844418577443733" align="right">82.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Ohio St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="82.207087643508885" align="right">82.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Missouri</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="80.544425965426242" align="right">80.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">TCU</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="79.431430020267157" align="right">79.4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Southern California</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="78.017543777253337" align="right">78.0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Boise St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="76.571207855950149" align="right">76.6</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Florida St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="75.253484522064085" align="right">75.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Utah</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="73.850890697426507" align="right">73.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">North Carolina</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="72.341974841618537" align="right">72.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Oklahoma St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="72.303597763729314" align="right">72.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Penn St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="70.543874929378319" align="right">70.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Cincinnati</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="69.884782805195997" align="right">69.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Iowa</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="69.776158669563998" align="right">69.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Nebraska</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="69.482780683808301" align="right">69.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">California</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="67.527228486904448" align="right">67.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Georgia Tech</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="67.119933798506253" align="right">67.1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Illinois</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="66.850192879258003" align="right">66.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">LSU</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="66.530089123265128" align="right">66.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Virginia Tech</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="66.215710634232764" align="right">66.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Mississippi</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="65.90249191936087" align="right">65.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Kansas</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="65.528504792051052" align="right">65.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Navy</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="65.26639558334422" align="right">65.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Alabama</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="64.000474321924102" align="right">64.0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Air Force</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="63.64142108957568" align="right">63.6</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Virginia</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="63.103865103630554" align="right">63.1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Oregon St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="62.923558818096993" align="right">62.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Wisconsin</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="62.875631700650388" align="right">62.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Arkansas</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="62.831706685828735" align="right">62.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Clemson</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="62.712478078868635" align="right">62.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Kentucky</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="62.404481404521448" align="right">62.4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pittsburgh</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="62.088760431115169" align="right">62.1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Michigan St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="62.027196062866274" align="right">62.0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Miami (Fla.)</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="61.477015645543858" align="right">61.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Vanderbilt</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="60.049618655816282" align="right">60.0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rutgers</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="59.563996401505257" align="right">59.6</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">New Mexico</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="59.260921841777339" align="right">59.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">West Virginia</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="59.239091789380154" align="right">59.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Hawaii</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="59.070622109891502" align="right">59.1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Wake Forest</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="58.79508740862294" align="right">58.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Connecticut</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="58.399907290596872" align="right">58.4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">South Carolina</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="58.301483785742775" align="right">58.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Baylor</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="57.618421044045249" align="right">57.6</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Minnesota</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="57.616226229398777" align="right">57.6</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">South Fla.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="56.995254825182585" align="right">57.0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Duke</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="56.956813198294242" align="right">57.0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Purdue</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="56.939125337486857" align="right">56.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Colorado St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="56.299842640952889" align="right">56.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">BYU</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="56.188908579166856" align="right">56.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Ball St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="55.115541471574673" align="right">55.1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Arkansas St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="54.387936719353448" align="right">54.4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Buffalo</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="53.965209371173081" align="right">54.0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Nevada</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="53.67251296521431" align="right">53.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Northwestern</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="53.658965951949526" align="right">53.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Boston College</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="53.336201933671624" align="right">53.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Kansas St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="53.319396816816031" align="right">53.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Tulsa</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="53.218772636083301" align="right">53.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Arizona St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="53.164312867178182" align="right">53.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Indiana</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="52.718845533781334" align="right">52.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Notre Dame</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="51.910145846583852" align="right">51.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Northern Ill.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="51.401359365878974" align="right">51.4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Western Mich.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="51.389882464316827" align="right">51.4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Oregon</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="50.98996508089283" align="right">51.0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Louisiana Tech</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="50.80703531078359" align="right">50.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Louisville</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="50.741478960503038" align="right">50.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rice</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="50.650103207737772" align="right">50.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">North Carolina St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="50.287658491332479" align="right">50.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Tennessee</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="50.285642270665569" align="right">50.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Stanford</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="50.203705710691331" align="right">50.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">UTEP</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="49.801901011375541" align="right">49.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Central Mich.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="49.252308638099954" align="right">49.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">East Carolina</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="49.251376405902526" align="right">49.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Utah St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="49.142240211913787" align="right">49.1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Colorado</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="48.933738696344442" align="right">48.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Troy</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="48.878126344370003" align="right">48.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Southern Miss.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="48.739837912347468" align="right">48.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Michigan</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="48.690335293890918" align="right">48.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Temple</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="48.615534547798646" align="right">48.6</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Eastern Mich.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="48.217251462795467" align="right">48.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Maryland</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="48.152885497762334" align="right">48.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Arizona</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="47.846855339787702" align="right">47.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">UNLV</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="47.565649717811539" align="right">47.6</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Houston</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="47.330634452823944" align="right">47.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Marshall</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="46.591526375518242" align="right">46.6</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Wyoming</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="46.214712905236297" align="right">46.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Bowling Green</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="46.130644445992374" align="right">46.1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Texas A&M</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="45.480622770174747" align="right">45.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">San Jose St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="45.478860912247519" align="right">45.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Syracuse</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="44.824568953233147" align="right">44.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Akron</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="44.752049712451218" align="right">44.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">New Mexico St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="44.303179271606076" align="right">44.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">UCLA</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="44.299474611440878" align="right">44.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Memphis</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="44.078545807114423" align="right">44.1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Auburn</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="43.683651329252228" align="right">43.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Mississippi St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="42.834712337762504" align="right">42.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Fla. Atlantic</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="42.72978347872796" align="right">42.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Toledo</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="42.664509778289755" align="right">42.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Ohio</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="42.114068055231243" align="right">42.1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Tulane</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="41.650137750983028" align="right">41.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">La.-Lafayette</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="40.982383902975847" align="right">41.0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Middle Tenn. St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="40.468834578462094" align="right">40.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">UCF</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="40.318698680147357" align="right">40.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Fresno St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="40.253521941441051" align="right">40.3</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Army</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="39.876358383664567" align="right">39.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Florida Int'l</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="38.884289350072024" align="right">38.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">SMU</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="36.19515418483995" align="right">36.2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Kent St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="34.777481719723234" align="right">34.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Iowa St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="34.689860432513711" align="right">34.7</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">La.-Monroe</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="34.53303718707685" align="right">34.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">UAB</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="34.36129299471331" align="right">34.4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Washington</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="32.788574920206521" align="right">32.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">San Diego St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="31.8996874158019" align="right">31.9</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Washington St.</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="31.613566140086135" align="right">31.6</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Miami (Ohio)</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="31.435295586488731" align="right">31.4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Idaho</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="29.427698418994808" align="right">29.4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">North Texas</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="26.769212159404855" align="right">26.8</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
 

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No, you are missing the point here by a mile. Trust me. I know the point I am trying to make and it has nothing to do with Minnesota or Michigan as football teams.
"a disinterested team vs a very interested team.minneota has been whooped by michigan for a long time and this is a big game for minny to get some payback.even if michigan was a good team tis year,they would not really be interested in this minny game"..what teams were you talkin about when you said minnesota and michigan?.
 

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"a disinterested team vs a very interested team.minneota has been whooped by michigan for a long time and this is a big game for minny to get some payback.even if michigan was a good team tis year,they would not really be interested in this minny game"..what teams were you talkin about when you said minnesota and michigan?.
box,i know that was a tough loss and i wish you the best of luck on all your games.not trying to be a wiseass.
 

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jerry, let's just agree to disagree. you are missing the point, and i am not going to explain it again. i wrote a big long post on it last thread/last week.

no hard feelings. gl
 

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jerry, let's just agree to disagree. you are missing the point, and i am not going to explain it again. i wrote a big long post on it last thread/last week.

no hard feelings. gl
in my honest opinion you are the one missing the point.my intention was to open your eyes and obviously i have failed.hope you win em all.
 

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Jerry dont take this post personally. I'm going to give this an effort to show you what I am trying to say. This is the long post I was trying to avoid making, but clearly you arent understanding.

I am very well aware what my writeup said on the game. I don't need it copied and pasted. I am not bitter in the least bit. My eyes do not need to be opened. I am not talking about Minnesota or Michigan. I am talking about handicapping principles. It has nothing to do with being stubborn from the game. I have lost a million 5* plays before.

I am talking about the manner in which you handicap your games. I have a certain procedure that I go through, and a method for determining how many units (*) I put on games. I put myself in high percentage situations. I am very successful at this because I pick my games based on a certain criteria, and that criteria doesn't steer me wrong. I don't stray from how I do things. And if you find an approach you like, you shouldn't either.

You are trying to make this out to be a Minnesota vs. Michigan thing and get into some kind of discussion about the teams and why Minnesota was the wrong side. I get it. You think that I need to adjust after the clear loss. I get it. I am trying to say Minnesota is the right side because it fell into every concept I use to handicap games. I dont give a rats ass what happened on the field. I didnt even watch the game. I dont care if Michigan won 100-0, and Minnesota ddnt gain a yard. I dont care if Minnesota looked so horrible, that they get their D1 ranking stripped from them. My point is not about talent, matchups, trends, and value.

My point is simply to say how Vegas continues to make money. My main point, is one bad weekend, or two bad weekends can put so much cloud of doubt in many peoples minds that they start to adjust their views on a team, how they do things, they start flip flopping, they start changing, they start looking at some stupid short term trend they noticed to make their decisions, they start looking at too much information, they start pressing, they start thinking a team is better or worse than what they really are, they have knee jerk reactions to blowout losses especially...etc.

People that have been successful doing things for a long time, can even question how they came to a certain play or plays. Once that doubt enters your mind about how you are going about things.... you are done. You dont know which way is sharp, and which is square, what is the winning side or losing side. You might as well flip a coin.

Minnesota was the right side in that game. NOT BECAUSE they should have won. Not because I took a bad beat. Not because they were the better team. Not because they caught a bad break. Not because of refereeing. Not because of a fix. Not because of any of that.

But because I have hit 62% over 3 years using a certain set of handicapping principles, a certain set of criteria to identify games and then determine how much to play them for. When a lot of things fall in the line, the play becomes a 3* or more, and when just about everything that I use to cap a game falls in line it becomes a 5* play or more. On those types of plays, I hit at an outstanding rate. Keyword rate. Everything can lose, and can look really bad doing so in the process. I get it. Minnesota got dominated. Michigan was easily the better team on Saturday.

Minnesota got dominated by Michigan. DOMINATED. No excuses. But I am of firm belief that if you play a game 10 times, the underdog will always blow the favorite out one of those games when the spread is within 10 points or less especially.

Every game is a set of random events.

You think my eyes need to be opened because Minnesota got dominated whistle to whistle and I still think I was on the right side. What is this guy thinking? I get it.

My point is, it is my firm belief that you are wrong. It's not bitterness. Its consistency.

When I start hitting 52%, I'll start reevaluating the way I cap games and make adjustments.

But my exact point of writing what I wrote last week, and now continuing to write what I am writing now, is for the guys out there just like you. You want to take one loss, one week, one bad game, and reevaluate your view on a team. Or your way of capping the game. Or your decision to make the play. Or open someone's eyes.

That is WRONG. THAT is why Vegas wins. And that was my entire point to writing what I wrote.

Every single play I made last week was the right side. Actually there was one play, Duke, that was capped incorrectly. Every single play I have made this year was the right side except for a couple. Most of my losses were the right side. Not because they should have covered, or I took a bad beat. But because I capped them the way I always have and everything fell in line the way things always have over my last 300 plays at 62%.

I dont just look at the card and start picking games that standout to me. That is like throwing darts. I dont just think about teams strengths and weaknesses. There is an approach to every single game that I take that is very consistent.

I understand. You think I'm nuts. You think I was clearly on the wrong side on most of my losses. You think I'm being stubborn. I get it.

Now let's see if you get what I'm saying....

In the world of college football....1 loss can change a season for a team. It can send you from National Title game to the Outback Bowl. And college football more so than any other sport, has the most over-reactive bettors than any other sport. College football bettors get caught up in losses more than anyone. It's the only sport where a team can lose one game and everyone starts calling them a fraud. Can you believe that? 1 freaking game and the team is a fraud? Laughable.

People think Penn State sucks right now. Fraud. People thought Florida was a fraud when they lost to Ole Miss. Now people can't get off their nuts.

That's not how you bet, and that's not the kind of mindset that wins.

Don't get me wrong, I always look at a loss and see what I could have done to cap it better. I always learn from the losses.

But I don't stray from what I do. The Minnesota game was handled and capped with the same approach that I have done for every single game. It wasn't a 5* because I just felt like putting 5 units on it or I felt really good about it. The approach dictated it was a 5*.

The approach has hit 62% over 300 plays. It was the correct way to cap it, it was the correct side. I'll play it again just like I did tomorrow.

I am not going to alter the way I have capped 62% winners over 300 plays because Minnesota got blown out. I am not going to start messing with the numbers on my excel sheet and drop their ass and move Michigan up. I am not going to change my approach because of the game or the weekend.

Because THAT is why Vegas wins. You can't keep overreacting, adjusting, and completely change your thoughts on teams week to week and change the way you cap.
 
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Hey Boxslayer, i am taking a few high school recruits up to the Northwestern/Michigan game this week. we are gonna go on the field and stuff and meet rich rod and everything, the kids are looking forward to it. anywho, i was wondering if you will have most of your stuff up before saturday rolls around? thank you sir
 

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