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Well I just got down on my biggest play of the year so far. I will have another one coming up, as long as this one wins.

Nov 20th.... Winky Wright over Sugar Shane Mosley -230
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I will start by saying that Shane is one of my alltime favorite fighters. He is exciting to watch, will fight anyone and is an extremely physically gifted athlete. Personally I feel that if he stayed at 135, he would prob still be undefeated today, only maybe beaten by Mayweather if they squared off. I Floyd would have prob stunk up the joint in a boring decision, as i doubt he would trade with Shane. Stupid to say what if, so lets get on the real fight coming up.

In the first go round, Mosley took a fight alot of people thought he never should have... Going in, he was a 3-1 favorite, and alot of people were picking him to win, even though most would admit that Wright had the style that could give him trouble, similar to Vernon Forrest who beat Shane back to back in 2002, in dominating fashion. Against Wright, is was the same story, as Shane could not get inside and throw his trademark combos to the body. Winky used his slick boxing skills to outpoint and outbox Mosley over the fight. As someone who didnt bet on the fight, and as a Mosley fan, I could only give Shane 2 rounds, and that was because he kept coming forward.

Now, how many times in boxing history has a man been defeated in convincing fashion, and come back to win the rematch????? I honestly cant think of a fight that comes to mind. Im not talking about a somewhat close decision either. Winky dominated the first fight.

Now how could Shane win this fight. I know its 2 weeks away, but I still havent heard 1 boxing expert talk about how Shane will win this fight. I hate to admit that one of my heros doesnt have a chance, but Mosley doesnt here. He would be a PFP fighter at 135 or 140, and prob 147, but this is 154. He is fighting guys that are too big for him. plain and simple. Last time he has looked good against a top contender was 2000 against Oscar. I picked him in the 2002 rematch, and won money, but I thought Shane looked mentally slow and unconfident, and lost by a point. He did come on strong late, but that was after Oscar stopped throwing because he was tired.

Mike Tyson was another of my hero's and I took Danny Williams because i thought he had a shot, and that the line was way too high. It was sad to see Mike go down that night, but the 800 in my pocket made me feel better.

Shane is another of my heros, and ive studied him and know him very well, albiet from a fans point of view. I will take Winky here, not because he has a shot, but because he will win. Cant pass up a line like this. good luck to all. Feed back is appreciated
 

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I opened -330 a month or so ago and they bet me down. so you pretty much know what side I need. Good luck, I am presently routing with you.- joey
 

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I'm on Winky, but to say HOW can Shane win scares me. We have seen just about everything. But for me, logic and the situation at hand indicates to me a Winky victory. This guy
has worked too long and hard to go quietly. I agree that when
guys fight much bigger men they are at a marked disadvantage. I've seen Shane fight in person a number of times and I've always held him in high regard. This ain't about winning a popularity contest but a boxing contest.
 

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Your right, we have seen about everything, and We know that anything is possible. Guess thats why we call it gambling. This isnt going to be an easy fight for Winky, as im sure that Shane wont go quietly either. He has his back to the wall here. I do think that Winky can control this fight just with his size and style, and Shane will have to get desprate. If Mosley somehow won this fight, I would be hurting in the wallet, but I would still be happy for the guy. Not a nicer guy in the sport.
 

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shane hasn`t actually boxed in i don`t know how long....i mean,tried to outbox a guy...he has turned into a guy that comes forward and tries to out-punch guys.....

and it doesn`t work at this weight...he`s bigger and bulkier....and his hand speed suffers considerably....

he wasn`t stronger than winky the first time....unless he`s been back at balco recently,i doubt he`ll be stronger this time....

what`s the change to goosen worth?....that`s the wildcard....
goosen helped corrales a ton...made him use his jab ....taught him patience....

i`m not sure you can train away the physical disadvantages in this fight.....but,my guess is that goosen will try and get shane to be faster...use his speed...i don`t think he can overpower winky...

but,as i said before,i`ve seen shane interviewed recently and i see nervous ticks and squinting....maybe i`m wrong.....maybe i saw him on a bad day....

i see it hardcore`s way....

i`m real curious to see how goosen`s gonna tweak shane`s style here....i expect to see shane moving in and out...not staying in the pocket....can he do it for 12 rounds at 154?

that`s the question...
 

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btw....speaking of trainers....eric morales has taken on the great nacho beristain,the trainer of the brother`s marquez and the great ricardo lopez to assist in his preparation for barrera....

that can`t hurt.....
 

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How does Mosley win? He wins if Wright don't show up in great shape. What are the odds of that happening?:coffeetim Not much. the price isn't that attractive in all honesty but I imagine Winky wins.

BTW- A fight where a guy got dominated in the first fight then came back and eeked out the rematch was Bowe-Holyfield.
 

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Valdosta, I thought about that fight, but I look at that fight as more even, just because Holyfield put up a good fight and won some rounds. Just like the second one. Holyfield won, but Bowe put up a good fight. Personally, I think its a great line. If I closed my eyes and thought about the odds on the fight, after seeing the first one, Id say 4-1. Thats how one sided it was.
 

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I think, and hope, that Winky Wright is bringing his "A"

game here. I say this because in an interview he stated

Mosley should'nt have changed trainers, he should have changed opponents. Goosen was good for Corrales, but I just think it was also Chico's time to shine. I see the Mosley change as frustration and a little desparation. His dad receives many accolades as a trainer. Funny, my brother-in-law, after I tell him this particular doctor tells me such and such what I really don't want to to hear, his advice is to go fine a different doctor. Yea, maybe he says something different, but in reality the diagnosis is still the same. Winky by decision.
 

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i find it hard to believe that a guy that was never really considered an elite fighter by the public,then beats an elite fighter and gets some recognition(not to mention bigger paydays),would fall asleep after one big win.....

remember....wright is now the "ring magazine" champ...he has the wba and wbc belts.....he`s the champ....

i expect him to be ready...i don`t believe he`s one of these sloppy heavyweights flailing around....

the potential for mega-bucks fights with oscar and maybe tito....or ouma.....even hopkins....

i`m not worried about wright being ready...
 

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Both of these guys will be ready. Ive never seen Shane not ready, the guy is a physical freak. I think he will get desprate in there and throw some bombs. He needs this one bad
 

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mosley will be dangerous early.....he was dangerous in the 1st round of forrest 2....but i expect him to fade.....

i`m interested in seeing 2 things...

1)i keep reading that mosley is 5`9" tall.....if winky`s 5`9 and a half,there`s no way that mosley`s 5`9"....if my memory serves me,wright looked about 2" taller...

2)do we see the balco labs mosley that looked like a linebacker vs dlh?.....or the blown up welterwt looking mosley that stepped in vs wright?.....i`d make sure they do a "federal" urinalysis that is the only test that shows the crap that balco was putting out......not a phony vegas test in which the samples tend to disappear mysteriously.... lol

let`s hope the "real" shane shows up and not the "ukranian power lifter" shane...
 

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Well, ready to me means MENTALLY prepared. Attitude can be as important as sparing. Both will be on their game I feel; I just feel Wright has the edge.
 

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You're Dead On!

I had the privilege of watching Mosley in person at lightweight. He was maybe, at that point, the best offensive fighter in the game. AT LIGHTWEIGHT. His style - "power boxing"- needs POWER to complement the boxing, and at the higher weights, he just doesn't have it. It's a shame he skipped 140, his legacy will be vastly diminished (although not his wallet!). The first Winky-Mosley fight was one of the more dominant performances you're ever gonna witness, in terms of boxing and ring generalship, between two fighters at this level. It was so dominant, and Wright is so well-schooled, and Mosley is so lacking for pop at this level, that I concur, this is, if not the play of the year, awfully damn close to it. Load up!
 

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Like the comments Big Ed. Nice to have another guy chime in. By any chance are you related to Big Julie from that fabled story "Guys and Dolls". LOL. We just saw that up in Utah and it just popped into my head, a scary place indeed.
 

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Ed, I think you hit the nail on the head with your take. Pretty much what we have all been saying, or trying to for that matter. I believe Mosley is the more skilled PFP fighter, but this is a very bad style for him to go up against. I think he has everything going against him here..... If he does win, I personally think it would be the upset of the year. I wish he would go down to 140 or 147... the possibility of opponents is endless.
 

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Ok guys, its less than a week away. Any last thoughts before the weigh in? Seems like everyone is on Winky. Is anybody on Shane, or the O/U????
 

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Cap did you say that you believe that Mosely is the more skilled fighter? I must of read that wrong. I wish I could find a place where I could parlay Winky with the over. Both of the lines seem too high (especially the over) to play individually. Actually why dont these cabana boys put up some props for the fight? I'd like to bet Winky by decision. I cant see him knocking Shane out.

Que pasa with these Gilligan and Skipper motherfukers?
 

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I would bet that the decision line will be pretty high too. The over is crazy high. I never play an over that is -200 or more. Accidental headbutt???? very possible. I think that what I meant to say was that Shane is a very skilled fighter. And that he is more athletic. I do think that skills wise he is very close to Winky. I just think that Winky is more slick, and a naturally bigger man. Kind of like Oscar at 160, taking on a Hopkins or a Trinidad or even a Winky. Mission Impossible. Both Oscar and Shane are very skilled and have alot of balls. They dont duck anyone, and in this day in age we have to respect that. I just think that at 154 and 160 they are fighting guys that are just too plain big and strong for them.
 

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