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[h=1]Booming jobs and falling gas prices make this the best economy in 15 years[/h] By Matt O'Brien February 6 at 12:39 PM
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The little recovery that could just got a whole lot bigger.
The economy added 257,000 jobs in January, added a whopping 147,000 more in revisions to previous months, saw average hourly wages creep up 2.2 percent the past year, and, best of all, the unemployment rate ticked up from 5.6 to 5.7 percent. This last part was good news, because it wasn't about people losing their jobs, but rather about more people looking for them. Indeed, the labor force grew by 703,000—yes, that's not a misprint—after you include annual population adjustments. So joblessness went up because the economy is creating so many jobs that people have stopped giving up.
This is the best the economy's been in 15 years. It's added an average of 336,000 jobs a month the past three months, 291,000 the past six, and 268,000 the past 12, which, as you can see below, are the highest they've been since, yes, 2000. And no, wages still aren't rising as much as we'd like, but they're still rising more than inflation thanks to the big drop-off in oil prices. That gives people more money to spend, which leads to more jobs, and, in turn, even more spending, and so on, and so on. It's a virtuous cycle that might get even more so if young people start moving out of their parents' basements—yes, they really are—and we have to start building again. There's already a glimmer of that, as construction has added an average of 38,000 jobs the past three months.
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Even better, though, is that this strong labor market might, just might, be sucking more people into it. That's been the big question the last year or so: would discouraged workers come back now that things are looking up-ish, or would they stay on the sidelines? Well, after a record number of people went from not even looking for a job to having one, it looks like the recovery might finally be starting to reach the people who need it the most.
If, that is, we let it. Anytime there's a good jobs report, there's more pressure on the Fed to start raising rates sooner—especially if wages are rising. Now it's true that average hourly earnings did increase 0.5 percent from the month before, but it's important to remember that this is a very volatile series. Wages are still only up 2.2 percent the past year, far below the 3.5 to 4 percent that's consistent with the Federal Reserve's 2 percent inflation target. The truth is we really don't know how low unemployment can go before wages and inflation start picking up, so rather than assume they will now, we should wait until they do.
And that brings us to one final caveat. There's no doubt the economy has accelerated, but has it really accelerated this much? I mean, if the revisions are right, we added 423,000 jobs in November alone. That'd be the best single jobs month since 1997. One reason this might be a bit of a mirage are the always exciting seasonal adjustments. The economy, you see, pretty predictably adds more jobs during some months more than others—like warm weather helping construction—which is why the Bureau of Labor Statistics adjusts the raw numbers to tell us how they did compared to what we would expect at that time of year. The problem is this is based on the previous few years worth of data, so if, for example, you have a polar vortex that crushes job growth one winter, the model will assume you'll get one the next. And that would slightly inflate the jobs numbers now. That's why it's worth waiting until the summer, when this should reverse, before really deciding whether the economy is strong enough to take higher interest rates—and the stronger dollar, which might be the biggest threat to the recovery, that would imply.
Let's not end on a downer, though. Whether or not the seasonal adjustments made this month look better than it really was, the economy is still adding a lot of jobs. In fact, it's added at least 200,000 every month the past year, the longest streak since the mid-1980s. The best news, though, is that the Fed has said it will be "patient" until at least June before raising rates, and hopefully even longer than that.
The only thing that can stop the recovery is declaring mission accomplished.
 

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You mean to tell me firing tons of laborers and not spending money didn't work?? We should still be spending a trillion+ more than what we are currently. But what a shocker...

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CEO of Gallup calls jobless rate 'big lie' created by White House, Wall Street, media

Published February 05, 2015


The chairman of the venerable Gallup research and polling firm says the official U.S. unemployment rate is really an underestimation and a “big lie" perpetuated by the White House, Wall Street and the media.

What CEO and Chairman Jim Clifton revealed in his blog Tuesday about how the Labor Department arrives at the monthly unemployment rate is no secret -- including that Americans who have quit looking for work after four weeks are not included in the survey.

The department's current rate of 5.6 percent unemployment is the lowest since June 2008, with President Obama using his State of the Union address and campaign-style stops across the country to tout an economic recovery.

“Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999,” Obama said in the opening lines of his January 20 address before Congress.“Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis.”

Clifton says the “cheerleading” for the 5.6 number is “deafening.”
“The media loves a comeback story,” he writes. “The White House wants to score political points, and Wall Street would like you to stay in the market.”
Since the start of the Great Recession, which economists largely agree began in late 2007, the unemployment rate peaked at 10 percent in October 2009 and finally got under 6 percent in September 2014.
Clifton says Americans out of work for at least four weeks are “as unemployed as one can possibly be” and argues that as many as 30 million of them are now either out of work or severely underemployed.

He points out that an out-of-work engineer, for example, performing a minimum of one hour of work a week, even mowing a lawn for $20, also is not officially counted as unemployed.

In addition, those working part time but wanting full-time work -- the so-called “severely underemployed” -- also are not counted.
“There's no other way to say this,” Clifton says. “The official unemployment rate … amounts to a big lie.”

His arguments are similar to those made by Washington Republicans after the Bureau of Labor Statistics announced the rate each month during the height of the recession. However, Gallup is an 80-year-old, nonpartisan firm.

The bureau did not return a request for comment.

Clifton suggests the biggest misconception about the official rate is that it doesn’t denote “good” full-time jobs.

“When the media, talking heads, the White House and Wall Street start reporting the truth -- the percent of Americans in good jobs; jobs that are full time and real -- then we will quit wondering why Americans aren't ‘feeling’ something that doesn't remotely reflect the reality in their lives. And we will also quit wondering what hollowed out the middle class,” he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-rate-big-lie-put-forth-by-white-house-wall/

 

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Lol, it's not a lie at all. That information is readily available and provided by the BLS. It is not the government nor the BLS' fault that people don't understand the numbers they are being given. And it's not their job to cater those numbers based on political parties agendas.
 

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Of course. They were accurate numbers when they were bad, but made up lies when they are good. Rinse, Repeat. Same old same old.
 
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Of course. They were accurate numbers when they were bad, but made up lies when they are good. Rinse, Repeat. Same old same old.

SC's article didn't say they were "made up". It's more along the lines of misunderstood/misleading, but don't let me ruin it for you.
 

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I would say "big lie" is along the lines of misleading (which I stated above), no? It may be worse but it's definitely different than "made up".

Lie = made up= falsehood. You've been down here long enough to see When a POS Like Lying Ace Lies, he's making shit up. But I know you just like to be argumentative, so enjoy. face)(*^%
 
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Lie = made up= falsehood. You've been down here long enough to see When a POS Like Lying Ace Lies, he's making shit up. But I know you just like to be argumentative, so enjoy. face)(*^%

That's not the case at all. I don't think anyone would argue that those numbers are made up. They are based on real data. The issue is whether they are intentionally excluding certain people/factors to mislead the public.
 

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That's not the case at all. I don't think anyone would argue that those numbers are made up. They are based on real data. The issue is whether they are intentionally excluding certain people/factors to mislead the public.

The numbers were done the same way when the numbers were "bad", as they are when the numbers are "good", correct? So there is nothing to say the numbers are misleading now, other then partisanship. Numbers aren't partisan. Those that interpret them for their own means are.
 

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Wake me when we drop our zero interest rate policy, and start bringing down The Feds balance sheet . Until then, the rich get richer, the poor , poorer

The Fed realizes they are boxed in now, and if they pull the plug, the pain starts . Right now the patient is still high on the drugs .

We see are totally screwed .

7 years into the supposed recovery, and we can't even discuss and tightening without the market having a fit

The whole recovery has been based on pumping up asset prices, and the wealth effect, which will unravel quickly

Luckily for the fed, the recovery is a fraud, and all of the recent numbers have missed .

Poor or numbers will allow the Fed to bring MOAR.
 
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The numbers were done the same way when the numbers were "bad", as they are when the numbers are "good", correct? So there is nothing to say the numbers are misleading now, other then partisanship. Numbers aren't partisan. Those that interpret them for their own means are.

I see what you're saying, partisanship, obviously, is the reason they complain, but adding in the other people/factors will never make the numbers better. When they were "bad" they just would have made them worse, so there's really no reason to bring it up when the numbers are already bad.
 

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Wake me when we drop our zero interest rate policy, and start bringing down The Feds balance sheet . Until then, the rich get richer, the poor , poorer

The Fed realizes they are boxed in now, and if they pull the plug, the pain starts . Right now the patient is still high on the drugs .

We see are totally screwed .

7 years into the supposed recovery, and we can't even discuss and tightening without the market having a fit

The whole recovery has been based on pumping up asset prices, and the wealth effect, which will unravel quickly

Luckily for the fed, the recovery is a fraud, and all of the recent numbers have missed .

Poor or numbers will allow the Fed to bring MOAR.

I thought the market was going to collapse when Quantitative easing ended?
 

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Wake me when we drop our zero interest rate policy, and start bringing down The Feds balance sheet . Until then, the rich get richer, the poor , poorer

The Fed realizes they are boxed in now, and if they pull the plug, the pain starts . Right now the patient is still high on the drugs .

We see are totally screwed .

7 years into the supposed recovery, and we can't even discuss and tightening without the market having a fit

The whole recovery has been based on pumping up asset prices, and the wealth effect, which will unravel quickly

Luckily for the fed, the recovery is a fraud, and all of the recent numbers have missed .

Poor or numbers will allow the Fed to bring MOAR.

They just don't get it.

phony money = phony economy
 

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CEO of Gallup calls jobless rate 'big lie' created by White House, Wall Street, media

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-rate-big-lie-put-forth-by-white-house-wall/


“Here’s something that many Americans — including some of the smartest and most educated among us — don’t know: The official unemployment rate, as reported by the U.S. Department of Labor, is extremely misleading"

“None of them will tell you this: If you, a family member or anyone is unemployed and has subsequently given up on finding a job — if you are so hopelessly out of work that you’ve stopped looking over the past four weeks — the Department of Labor doesn’t count you as unemployed,” he detailed.

“While you are as unemployed as one can possibly be, and tragically may never find work again, you are not counted in the figure we see relentlessly in the news — currently 5.6%. Right now, as many as 30 million Americans are either out of work or severely underemployed,” Clifton continued. “Trust me, the vast majority of them aren’t throwing parties to toast ‘falling’ unemployment.”

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