No doubt! Big difference in records solely based upon which plays get tracked. It all depends on whether the plays are free or paid plays. I see where we match and where there are issues.
The fact that you are questioning his record at all (with you having full access) raises scary concerns about touts in general. Perhaps they sometimes sell certain "special" plays to only 50% of their clients (so they can later claim the "winners" and omit the "losers"). Who knows. That's why I wanted to track this stuff MYSELF. You know?
Right, I know the feeling. Let me give you some background. I always had a shred of doubt when it comes to touts selling their picks for years because I know how advertising & marketing plays a huge role and how they would woo you with selected records of plays. It's just like a TV commercial using all those "adjectives" to describe their product: mouth-watering juicy {insert object/food}. So I understand why you want to track this yourself. No shit.
I decided to actually pay for tout services a few years ago (mostly day by day, but in long term, it gets expensive so I looked for good deals on either week/month/one-sport packages that were cheap) and see how they advertise after some losing streaks. As one example I used
www.jimhurley.net.
I saw how they still managed to do shrewd advertising (and still not lie outright at all) in recruiting new blood. I also saw how, for example, the service I mentioned above, would have "tiered selections". Top clients getting the best plays and cheap clients getting the 3 small plays or whatever. I sometimes had a sport package, and then intentionally bought a specific day's worth of picks for all sports and saw how some paid picks overlapped and how some indeed didn't. Then the next day, the service naturally touted his wins whether it was the value plays or the top picks in the highest tier.
That's when I realized that I just have to ignore those advertising methods and dealing with not having all the picks of that service and just track win-loss results based on the paid picks I received. I didn't really do a good job of that but betting-wise, I think I actually did alright with all services (as in I know my $$ of paying them got covered easily after my net profits were realized).
Then, I followed a handicapper from his website to Procappers Handicappers Leauge. Last April, I renewed with him for another full year at a bargain price of $999 for a year's picks of ALL picks. He shortly bolted from procappers.com and I wasn't betting any money from May-August due to buying my condo during that timeframe and bsbsbs, so it was July when I realized I wasn't getting any picks anymore. I contacted procappers.com and they told me that the other capper had left & I could pick anyone to replace that capper so I chose Larry Ness basically on reliable results & realizing he is one of those who tends to give 2-3 value & top picks per day (which I prefer, as I'm NOT NOT crazy of "one pick per day" because based on experience, any pick can lose anytime).
Now, my subscription has come to an end in 4 more days... I would have considered paying one more full year with Larry Ness (as he probably didn't get any credit/money from me or Procappers, dunno). I don't think there's an offering for that, but I've been too lazy to email them.
That's the end of my background falafala as I yak too much.
As for this thread, I really was impressed with the concept of a respectable handicappers league like procappers.com in where you actually can be sure to know the results of all paid picks by all cappers in that league. The "Search Records" feature is not that old... it has been a great addition as it actually validates those cappers even more, especially with "premium" and "free" picks.
I'm not sure how many leagues are out there but I know I did search 20-40 capper websites a few years ago trying the "experiment of tracking ALL Bonus Plays" by all of those websites. It was a MAJOR pain in the arse & I didn't find out anything good! Most cappers just throw a Bonus Play as "the play they-kinda-like-but-just-not-a-paid-pick" especially on high favorites, blah.
My suggestions:
1.) we may have to restrict our tracking to accountable websites/leagues/cappers
2.) count only paid picks like BB mentioned
3.) we only would have to extract the results/paid plays into a spreadsheet like you have made, sds23
Even those websites like procappers.com do bother with "who was hot yesterday" standings and so forth... but we still can research & find out just who has been terrrrrible the last 2 weeks, and etcetera.
Let me stop now & get this posted! :thumbsup:
* CalvinTy