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SAN FRANCISCO — Barry Bonds testified to a grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who was indicted in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn't think they were steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday.

Bonds told the federal grand jury last year that Greg Anderson, his personal trainer, told him that the substances he used in 2003 were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis, according to a transcript of his testimony reviewed by the Chronicle.
The substances Bonds described were similar to ones known as "the clear" and "the cream," two steroids from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, the lab at the center of the steroid scandal.

Bonds' attorney, Michael Rains, said the leak of grand jury testimony was an attempt to smear his client. Grand jury transcripts are sealed and the Chronicle did not say who showed them the documents.

"My view has always been this case has been the U.S. vs. Bonds, and I think the government has moved in certain ways in a concerted effort to indict my client," Rains told the newspaper. "And I think their failure to indict him has resulted in their attempts to smear him publicly."

Calls by the AP to Rains office went unanswered Thursday night.

The Chronicle story is the latest development this week in the more than yearlong BALCO probe. On Thursday, the paper reported Yankees slugger Jason Giambi told the grand jury he injected himself with human growth hormone in 2003 and also used steroids for at least three seasons.

Also, ABC News and ESPN the Magazine released excerpts of interviews with Conte, in which the BALCO founder admits to watching Olympic star Marion Jones inject herself in the leg with human growth hormone. Jones' attorneys denied that she ever used performance-enhancing drugs.

Conte's interview with ABC's "20/20" program will air Friday night.

It is uncertain what punishment, if any, Bonds could receive from baseball, which didn't have penalties for steroid use until 2003.

While discipline is spelled out for positive tests and criminal convictions from 2003 on, admission of illegal steroid use is not addressed, possibly giving Selig an opening to punish Bonds. Even so, baseball can't test him more than other players because it's been over a year since the steroid use referred to in the testimony.

Baseball commissioner Bud Selig repeatedly has called for year-round random testing and harsher penalties, but management and the players' association have failed to reach an agreement. The contract runs through the 2006 season.

"I've been saying for many months: I instituted a very, very tough program in the minor leagues on steroids in 2001. We need to have that program at the major league level," Selig said Thursday in Washington, D.C. "We're going to leave no stone unturned until we have that policy in place by spring training 2005."

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Bonds knowingly lied to ESPN when he was asked point blank if he could of been given steroids unknowingly. He said, "no". This was after the grand jury testimony.
 

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the guy from the SF chronicle says in court they presented bonds with all kinds of doping schedules and price lists and the like all twith barrys and gregs name on them. he just denied everything he said it was like a sparring match of barry's 3 hours in court.

it does remind me of rose back then a little bit, betting slips phone conversations but denial still.

and barrys trainer is barrys trainer he isnt shefs, he isnt jasons. those guys said hey i want to hit like barry be big like bonds how do i do it, so they ask anderson and he gives them the stuff he gives to barry.

flax seed will make you big no doubt, its one of the best secrets in all of weight lifting best thing is you can get it like 5 bucks a bottle at any pharmacy.

but freakish like barry size with the huge head and all you will need steriods. its really simple and its not genetics. .
 

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Ain't it obvious that Barry is lying his a$$ off? Man, these guys are stupid. Of course he knew he was taking steroids. He is just telling the public what his dumba$$ agent and attorney told to say. I would love to see them give him a lie detector test and see if he passes.
 

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I've definately heard enough now. His records shouldn't count in my mind and they don't.
 

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This news and the fact that so many of our athletes have used steroids should not come as any surprise to us...

What bothers me more than anything, is their continuous LYING about it...

Do they all think we are STUPID?

THE SHRINK
 

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most were taking so everyone was on equal ground

Bonds still way better than anyone

He is still doing growth hormones, they are undectable, I know

Best thing every invented
 

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The trouble is, we want to eat the steak but we don`t want to know how the cows are slaughtered.
Have you seen McGwire lately, looks about 190 soaking wet.
 

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C'mon, Barry. You didn't know, right? Don't insult our intelligence, cause we're not that stupid. Records and career are all tainted, and you have no class. Cheater.
 

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the thing that sucks that worst in all of this is that

THE BOSTON RED SOX WOULD BE BACK TO BACK CHAMPS RIGHT NOW IF THEY CAUGHT GIAMBI SOONER

AFTER ALL, his two gm 7 hr's made the difference
 

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I thought this was an interesting read from MSNBC's site:




"COMMENTARY
By Mike Celizic
NBCSports.com contributor
Updated: 3:24 a.m. ET Dec. 3, 2004
I don’t know where to go with this any more, nor do I know what else to say.

But it’s no surprise that Barry Bonds took something to make him bigger and stronger and better. It’s no surprise Jason Giambi took human growth hormones and steroids. And it’s no surprise this is allegedly the biggest story in sports since big stories were invented.

It’s a big story because we are all hypocrites. People cheat. We know that, and still we deny it. So when we find out that what we both know and deny is true, we have to react with shock and amazement. We can’t help it. We’re wired to react that way.

So Barry Bonds may have cheated? That’s a story? Like we didn’t know?

Give me a break. Finding out that Bonds may have taken banned substances — even if you want to buy into his excuse that he didn’t know he was doing anything wrong — is a surprise on the level of discovering that the sun rises in the east, that two-year-olds like sweets, that fox terriers bark at strangers and that it’s a bad idea to tell a woman she’s got a fat backside.

You can’t even talk about taking away his records or diminishing them. He did what he was allowed to do. No one can get punished for that. If you take away his MVPs and home runs, then take away Don Sutton’s and Gaylord Perry’s Hall of Fame plaques. Take way Norm Cash’s batting title. Take away Mike Scott’s perfect game. They all cheated, just as surely as Bonds and Giambi did, as surely as Ken Caminiti did. As surely as more players that you want to know about did.


What Bonds and these others did was deeply rooted in the game. Pete Rose and most players of his generation couldn’t take batting practice without first downing a handful of “greenies” — amphetamines. Willie Mays kept a bottle of “red juice” in his locker — the same stuff as greenies, but in a liquid form. We can’t say Hank Aaron was clean, because we don’t know what stimulants he took, if any. We can’t vouch for anyone’s purity.

That’s the reality, folks. And if Bonds is now revealed as a cheater, where is the element of surprise? We’ve known he wasn’t natural for half a decade or more. But we kept watching him and writing about him and calling him the greatest thing since pine tar.

So did he go from great to a fraud? Or did we go from incredibly naïve to equally judgmental?

We have no right to condemn Bonds. Not after we marveled at his talent. Not after we declared him one of the best of all time. And especially not after he’s admitted to doing things that baseball never — until last year — said he couldn’t do.

This, friends, is not a story. Barry Bonds, we learn, took things that made him bigger and stronger. He continues to deny culpability, saying he didn’t know what he was taking were illegal steroids.

All he’s saying now — or said to a grand jury — it that he followed the advice of a coach, didn’t ask exactly what he was ingesting and rubbing on his body and got bigger than he could get naturally. And he didn’t think it was illegal.

What balderdash. It’s like aiming a gun at someone, pulling the trigger, watching that person fall, then protesting that you didn’t know the gun was loaded.

The denials are meaningless. But, so, too, are the charges. Bonds took “cream” and “clear.” Then he hit a whole lot of home runs and won so many MVP’s you got the feeling he was playing a different game than everyone else.

You can call it cheating. But baseball called it legal. There was no law against taking every drug in the CVS warehouse, no law against doing whatever you could to get stronger and better. There is still virtually no law; you get tested once a year on a date you either know exactly or are alerted to.

If you can’t dodge that test, you’re dumber than a driver who sees a cop sitting on the side of the road a half mile ahead and still blows past him at the speed limit plus 20.

It’s not just baseball, it’s life. If you’re running for president and you can get the Supreme Court to help you to a win, you do it. Or if it takes cemeteries in Chicago and Jersey City to vote en masse for you, you accept the votes.

I’m not saying it’s fair. It just is.

If there were a drug that could make us write like Mark Twain — my hero — or H. L Mencken, whose name is as foreign to most kids in this business as Iron Man McGinnity’s is to baseball players, don’t kid yourselves. We’d all be taking it.

A lot of writers of my generation grew up when Gonzo journalism and Hunter S. Thompson ruled. We took the same drugs and tried to write the same way. We couldn’t, because Thompson was a great writer before his first hit or toke or snort or whatever he was doing. We weren’t going to catch him, no matter how stupid we tried to make ourselves through liberal application of controlled substances.

If you were a little older, Red Smith was the standard, and Red never took anything stronger that vodka and tonic. I’ve poured down a lot of vodka’s and tonic — no fruit — because that’s the way Red drank it, and also because there might be a vitamin in that slice of lime, and you don’t want one of those to enter your system. But despite this, I can’t write three words as good as any three Red put down.

The point is if you’re good, you’re good. Nothing you take is going to make you bad. It might kill you early, but it won’t take away your talent. And if there is something you can take to make you better, the great ones are still going to be great and the good ones are still going to be willing to mortgage their souls to be in the same area code as their betters.

Barry Bonds is a great baseball player. Last year, he hit 45 home runs and struck out 41 times. I don’t know what he did or took to help the balls fly out of the park. But I do know there is no drug that can keep you from striking out. If Bonds had played in Ruth’s era, he’d have hit more home runs than he hits now.

That’s a fact, because in Ruth’s day, they didn’t put you on base two out of every five times you came to the plate. They didn’t walk you intentionally nearly 100 times a year. They didn’t have relief pitchers who could get God out four out of five times.

What they had was starting pitchers getting tired who threw the ball over the plate and made you beat them. They had pitchers who didn’t nibble in the second inning. Ruth hit all those home runs because he got a lot of pitches to hit. Bonds hit his despite having no pitches to hit.

But here’s something few people talk about, and it has as much to do with Bonds’ success as any drug he may have taken, wittingly or not. It’s that piece of armor on his elbow. Bonds and other hitters can hang over the plate and dig in with no fear of getting hit, because the armor stops it from hurting. And, if a pitcher throws too far inside, the pitcher can get thrown out of the game.

So if you want Bonds or anyone else to play fair, forget the drugs. Tell him he can’t wear that pad on his arm and elbow. Then tell the pitchers to go ahead and throw high and tight, the same way Don Drysdale did, without fear of ejection and/or suspension. All the ‘roids in the world won’t protect your elbow, and they won’t make it easier to hit the dirt to keep from getting hit.

Baseball could do a lot of things. One is to have a meaningful policy on drugs and cheating. Another is to make batters stand up there without body armor. A third is to give pitchers the right to throw inside.

Adopt any of those policies, and I’ll care about Bonds again. But don’t bore me with sanctimonious drivel about abuses everyone knew existed. Bonds has done what he’s done under the rules of the game. If the game doesn’t like it, it can change the rules. Otherwise, everyone should just shut up.

Mike Celizic is a frequent contributor to NBCSports.com and a freelance writer based in New York."
 
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What's laughable is that despite the fact that Bonds' and Giambi's physiques are run-of-the-mill by NFL standards the NFL's testing program is held up as the one everyone else should follow.
 

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I guarantee several NBA players use juice....Its just not thought about much, but look at MJ, when he was ripped to shreds...
 

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true. .MJ had to have been on trenbolone.

some good tren, whew! drop to like 5% body fat and have muscles pop out you never knew were there.
 

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I just thought os something scary, what would a 19inch arm look like coming out of the BALCO LAB :icon_conf



:muscles: :muscles: :muscles: <----These guys use poor form IMO
 

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Journeyman said:
I guarantee several NBA players use juice....Its just not thought about much, but look at MJ, when he was ripped to shreds...
Blasphemy!

Seriously, I don't think so though. Besides, his speed and jumping ability were better when he was younger. He only continued to excel because he mastered the jump shot and was such a smart player. Physically, he had a dropoff. I don't think roids help you nail 20 foot jumpers and postup fadeaways
 

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D2Bets- I don't think it made him a more skiled player, but you have to admit looking back at some of those old clips MJ's body really changed...he was actually very muscular...

How about David Robinson,lol...I doubt it but he was another genetic freakazoid , with that ripped physique!
 

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Nothing wrong with roids if you use them right and after 35 yrs of age.

These guys abused them thats all
 

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Journeyman said:
D2Bets- I don't think it made him a more skiled player, but you have to admit looking back at some of those old clips MJ's body really changed...he was actually very muscular...

How about David Robinson,lol...I doubt it but he was another genetic freakazoid , with that ripped physique!
I wouldn't say he was very muscular. He was well-toned and in great shape, but I don't think he was ripped or huge. He was just a workout freak with a good trainer. Plus I can't remember seeing any strange head enlargements or abnormalities, and with that shaved head, we'd have noticed. And it was pretty gradual, I don't think he becamse more muscular overnight.

Then again, he did spend a bunch of time in '94 with baseball players so who knows what he got himself into with that bunch! Of course it still didn't help him hit a baseball.
 

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jjgold said:
Nothing wrong with roids if you use them right and after 35 yrs of age.

These guys abused them thats all
What consititutes abuse by "these guys" and what is your definition of "using them right"?
 

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