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JERUSALEM – The Obama administration has set up an apparatus to closely monitor Jewish construction in Jerusalem and the strategic West Bank to the point of watching Israeli moves house-to-house in certain key neighborhoods , WND has learned.

Obama has called for a complete halt to what he refers to as settlement activity, meaning Jewish construction in eastern Jerusalem or the West Bank. Obama's edict extends to natural growth, or accommodating for the housing needs of existing local settler population centers.

The demand is an apparent abrogation of a deal Israel struck with the Bush administration to allow natural growth.

For the past few months, Obama's Middle East envoy, George Mitchell, has protested to the highest levels of the Israeli government about evidence found of any Jewish housing expansion in those areas, informed Israeli officials said.

The officials, who spoke on condition that their names be withheld, said that last March Mitchell oversaw the establishment of an enhanced apparatus based in the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem that closely monitors the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem neighborhoods, incorporating regular tours of the areas, at times on a daily basis.

Previously, under the Bush administration, the consulate kept a general eye on Jewish Jerusalem and West Bank construction, receiving much of its information from nongovernmental organizations.

"Mitchell's apparatus takes things to a whole new level. They are watching very closely," said an Israeli official.

Jewish leaders in the West Bank said the consulate takes no pains to hide their activities.

They come out. They tour our communities. They try to interact with our leadership," David Ha'ivri, spokesmen for the Shomron Regional Council in the West Bank, told WND.

"They drive around the towns, check up on what's going on. They try to mingle with us to get more information on what we're up to and what we're doing," he said.


Ha'ivri said the consular officials present themselves as advisers to the U.S. consul-general.

"But we know they are really spies for the Obama administration," he said.

Jerusalem officials affirm the consular staff report to Obama's envoy, Mitchell.

The U.S. the past few weeks has been publicly protesting Israeli actions in Jerusalem on the municipal level, making an international incident out of individual homes. Yesterday, for the second time the past few weeks, the Obama administration summoned Israel's ambassador to Washington to protest Israel asserting its municipal rights in eastern sections of Jerusalem which the Palestinians claim as a future capital.

U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Jeffrey Feltman summoned Michael Oren, Israel's ambassador to Washington, with a message that the Obama administration views the eviction Sunday of two Palestinian families from homes in eastern Jerusalem as "provocative" and "unacceptable."

Now under normal circumstances one might say Israel is just being paranoid with the spy claims until you realize that right here in the good old USA BO is encouraging citizens to spy on each other and report fishy actions.

It makes you wonder why BO wants to take long walks in to moonlight with Iran but goes out of his way to piss off Israel.


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Why should BO go out of the way to make nice-nice with Israel? And please don't use the I'm a Christian it's in the bible excuse.
 

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I give False Dmitri 2 weeks before he lays into the Politico forum with some anti-Jewish rant. We can all see how this fellas brain is working...this rant is bubbling under the surface
 

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I have nothing against Jews. I just am amazed how one little country can dictate a huge portion of our foreign policy, with little benefit to us. The right says we must do everything possible to support Israel, even go to war, but they never give a reason why the US must do this.

If Israel was a Muslim nation, would you still be OK with her having nuclear bombs?
 

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Still no answer. Why should the US go out of the way to be friends with Israel and support everything she does? I'm hoping you'll answer, not just accuse me of being anti-Jew (I would say anti- Semitic , but that includes more than a hatred of more than Jews)
 

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Why should BO go out of the way to make nice-nice with Israel? And please don't use the I'm a Christian it's in the bible excuse.

No worries mate, I’m not a religious man, not that it makes any difference. So without further ado…

1. Israel is our only true ally in the region.

2. Israel will do whatever is necessary to protect itself IE taking out rouge countries nuclear weapons facilities.

3. They are the only deterrent keeping Iran from reeking military and economic havoc in the region.

4. Our false ally, Saudi Arabia is damn glad Israel exists. We should be also. :103631605
 

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Thanks for actually answering me without assuming I'm a Nazi.

Israel asked President Bush for permission to launch air strikes against Iraq. Bush said no. I find it strange that one country has to permission from another country to act unilaterally. If Israel does launch air strikes (which probably won't accomplish much), the US will get a lot of the blame.

I'm not sure so Israel is much of an ally. They gladly take our money and weapons, but aside from "keeping Iran in check," they don't really do much else for us.

It's not that I don't want to Israel to exist, I just don't always agree with Israeli policies or their actions. I'm not very comfortable with one country across the world having so much influence over our foreign policy and relations with other countries.

As you can see above, if you are critical of anything Israel does, then you must be anti-Jew or whatever.

On a side note, Iran did have another huge rival in region until we came and wrecked the country. Reagan was good friends with Saddam for the exact reasons you're saying we should be allies with Israel.

You're right about the Saudis, but we're addicted to their oil so we tend to overlook the problems they cause all over the world.
 

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"Why should BO go out of the way to make nice-nice with Israel? And please don't use the I'm a Christian it's in the bible excuse."

Why shouldn't he? The core values of Israelis -- Rule of Law, Women's Rights, Democracy, Freedom of Religion, are aligned with ours. The values of Israel's enemies -- oppressive dictatorship, State-imposed religion, slavery, etc are the opposite of ours, no?

"I have nothing against Jews. I just am amazed how one little country can dictate a huge portion of our foreign policy, with little benefit to us. The right says we must do everything possible to support Israel, even go to war, but they never give a reason why the US must do this.

Israel dictates US foreign policy? I would say it's more the reverse if anything. If you think the US doesn't benefit from Israel you are a fool. US aid to Isreal is spent on US goods. US aid to ISrael's enemies is commensurate, and used for NO GOOD! Google Yoram Ettinger. The whole world benefits from Israel. Your PC probably wouldn't work without Israel:

http://www.israel21c.org/


"If Israel was a Muslim nation, would you still be OK with her having nuclear bombs?"

No, because Muslim nations have expressed their desire to wipe both Israel and the US off the map. Israel's weapons are a deterrent.

The Arabs have used every weapon at their disposal to maim and murder Jews. If Israel fought by this same standard there would be many more Arab casualties. You are reversing cause and effect. Israel desires to live n peace and be accepted, not to destroy other countries. Can you speak the same of Israel's enemies?


"Israel asked President Bush for permission to launch air strikes against Iraq. Bush said no. I find it strange that one country has to permission from another country to act unilaterally."


I thought you said Israel controls US policy. Make up your mind.


"I'm not sure so Israel is much of an ally. They gladly take our money and weapons, but aside from "keeping Iran in check," they don't really do much else for us."

If ever I wanted to boast about how ill-informed I was I'd type the above. WOW!
 

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"Why should BO go out of the way to make nice-nice with Israel? And please don't use the I'm a Christian it's in the bible excuse."

Why shouldn't he? The core values of Israelis -- Rule of Law, Women's Rights, Democracy, Freedom of Religion, are aligned with ours. The values of Israel's enemies -- oppressive dictatorship, State-imposed religion, slavery, etc are the opposite of ours, no?

"I have nothing against Jews. I just am amazed how one little country can dictate a huge portion of our foreign policy, with little benefit to us. The right says we must do everything possible to support Israel, even go to war, but they never give a reason why the US must do this.

Israel dictates US foreign policy? I would say it's more the reverse if anything. If you think the US doesn't benefit from Israel you are a fool. US aid to Isreal is spent on US goods. US aid to ISrael's enemies is commensurate, and used for NO GOOD! Google Yoram Ettinger. The whole world benefits from Israel. Your PC probably wouldn't work without Israel:

http://www.israel21c.org/


"If Israel was a Muslim nation, would you still be OK with her having nuclear bombs?"

No, because Muslim nations have expressed their desire to wipe both Israel and the US off the map. Israel's weapons are a deterrent.

The Arabs have used every weapon at their disposal to maim and murder Jews. If Israel fought by this same standard there would be many more Arab casualties. You are reversing cause and effect. Israel desires to live n peace and be accepted, not to destroy other countries. Can you speak the same of Israel's enemies?


"Israel asked President Bush for permission to launch air strikes against Iraq. Bush said no. I find it strange that one country has to permission from another country to act unilaterally."


I thought you said Israel controls US policy. Make up your mind.


"I'm not sure so Israel is much of an ally. They gladly take our money and weapons, but aside from "keeping Iran in check," they don't really do much else for us."

If ever I wanted to boast about how ill-informed I was I'd type the above. WOW!

Who else in the world are allies of Israel? Most of the world does not like Israel, why is that?
 

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I just am amazed how one little country can dictate a huge portion of our foreign policy...

And herein lies the crux of your confusion. In fact, Israel - while certainly an influential force in the overall foreign policy decisions of the USA - is not "dictating a huge portion" of that policy.

Though I'll acknowledge that more than a few folks honestly believe otherwise.
 

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3. They are the only deterrent keeping Iran from reeking military and economic havoc in the region.

I'd submit that by far the primary deterrent keeping Iran from reeking military and economic havoc in the Mideast is the US military presence, thus refuting your comment above.

And lest anyone misinterpret that as being a quasi-endorsement on my part of the excessive US military presence in the Mideast, that's certainly not the case.

The USA could remain a firm deterrent against potential Iranian wackyness with an 80-90% reduction in their Mideast military presence.
 

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FD:Israel asked President Bush for permission to launch air strikes against Iraq. Bush said no. I find it strange that one country has to permission from another country to act unilaterally. If Israel does launch air strikes (which probably won't accomplish much), the US will get a lot of the blame.

B: I submit you're (perhaps unwittingly) exaggerating the tenor of the discussions between the government of Israel with the Bush adminstration.
I find it dubious to suggest they "asked permission". Rather, I'm far more inclined to believe they asked for input from the US regarding the potential benefits and the possible adverse consequences of launching air strikes. And upon receiving that input, they made a decision to not engage in such a a manner at this time. I'm confident that if Israel truly felt an iminent need to defend themselves against Iran (or any other potential invader) they would not wait for "permission" from the USA or anyone else before taking needed defensive actions.

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FD: ....... I just don't always agree with Israeli policies or their actions. I'm not very comfortable with one country across the world having so much influence over our foreign policy and relations with other countries.

B: Asked and answered in my previous post above.

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FD: As you can see above, if you are critical of anything Israel does, then you must be anti-Jew or whatever.

B: Nonsense. Longtime visitors to our humble PoliticoPub located here in the depths of a sports handicapping web forum can attest that I myself have had several occasions to honestly be critical of actions by the Israeli government. Yet my wife is Jewish, extended family members are Jewish and of course that makes me (as of my last wedding annivesary in March) now 23.75% Jewish.
 

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Who else in the world are allies of Israel? Most of the world does not like Israel, why is that?

Stop being obtuse.

It's reasonable to submit that at any given moment, 99% of the world's population is not giving one iota of thought to Israel, pro or con.
 

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do you believe the USA is has big a deterrent to Iran with Obama at the helm?

I certainly don't
 

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Absolutely it's just as much a deterrent now with Obama as with Bush.

And it will continue to be regardless of who is elected POTUS.

The leadership in Iran is fully aware, with no confusion whatsoever, that any move by them to strike against another country will be greeted with strong and aggressive defense by the US military.

And if such a move were to include any kind of nuclear component, they would be summarily dusted by US nukes.
 

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trolltheweb, thanks for contributing your moronic nonsense.

You should take advantage of Canada's new "Brains For Clunkers" program.
 

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False Dimitri ... I wanted to let you know that I am so proud of you taking on 10:1 odds against the Zionists. I agree 100% with your argument but this Bible Belt crowd here at the RX is a tough crowd....

The minute one posts that Israel is abusing the relationship with the US you are labeled an anti-semite... F-them.

Also the world does not hate Israel. The UN with a majority vote created the Country in 1946. Today Israel has an embassy in just about every country on Earth. They are doing very well for a country with less than 9 million citizens - 2-3 million of which are non Jews..

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I don't think he likes Israel much cause they be an unnecessary aggrivation to his Adm. in my opinion.

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