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The colonel gets his reward


By Paul Reynolds
BBC News Online world affairs correspondent


The visit by the British Prime Minister Tony Blair to Libya is the culmination of a remarkable episode in the history of diplomacy and of relations between the West and the Middle East.


It was announced last month that Blair would meet Colonel Gaddafi

From being one of the West's bogeymen, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has turned into, if not exactly a new friend, then someone the West is doing business with.

The man whose agents blew up the Pan Am plane over Lockerbie, ran guns to the IRA and one of whose diplomats shot a London policewoman is now back on the diplomatic circuit.

It happened because Libya settled the Lockerbie claims, offered co-operation over the death of Police Officer Yvonne Fletcher (though how far that investigation actually gets will be interesting to watch) and, above all, agreed to give up its programme of developing weapons of mass destruction.

Libya's rewards

In return, Colonel Gaddafi has got not only this visit and the attention it will attract. He has got UN sanctions lifted and soon American bilateral measures might go as well. That will help the development of Libya's oil industry.


It must also be remembered that he has had to overcome his own bad memories of the British.

US planes used their British base from which to bomb Libya in 1986. In that raid his own adopted daughter is said to have been killed. So he, too, has moved on.

It is also important in giving a reassurance to Colonel Gaddafi that there is no hidden agenda

Sa'ad Djebbar, RIIA
Mr Blair is said by his officials to be ready to offer military training to Libyan officers as a way of showing that Britain and the US do not want to disarm Libya totally and have no intention of attack
 

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Simple diplomacy and capitalism.

Make them a part of your gang.
Plus they're far enough away from the middle east so that the US and Israel can't Fxxk things up in the blink of an eye.
That entire region is a pile of rubble and misery, compliments of US/Israeli policies.

They're also right next to europe, so trading is easy.

The main reason that the US will ALWAYS have problems with the Arab world, is Israel.

Meanwhile the rest of us will get on with making money with the arabs whenever we can.

Most Arab dudes, like most western dudes, want to go to work and make enough cash and have a comfy lifestyle for them and their family.

Most of the fxxkups are caused by bad management/leaders and their policies..
(on both sides)

[This message was edited by eek on March 25, 2004 at 06:39 AM.]
 

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Sorry about the double post ... my pc was hanging on me last night and I didn't think the other went through. Bizarre.
 

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posted by eek:
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Simple diplomacy and capitalism.
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Pretty sure that would be socialism, the state control and direction of capital resources irrespective of market data or consumer input.


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Phaedrus: is it your position that you oppose sanctions (and/or their removal) on the grounds that they are 'irrespective of consumer input?' Or that you oppose the flip-flopping of enemy naming on the grounds that this ultimately manipulates the markets?
 

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The situation with Libya is probably one of the only good things to come out of the US invasion of Iraq. Surely, after Ghadaffi saw the US and British forces invading and bombarding Iraq and Afghanistan in CNN and FOX was probably enough to intimidate him. Thus, allowing the US to use diplomacy in an effective way.

My compliments to President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair.
 

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posted by xpanda:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Phaedrus: is it your position that you oppose sanctions (and/or their removal) on the grounds that they are 'irrespective of consumer input?' Or that you oppose the flip-flopping of enemy naming on the grounds that this ultimately manipulates the markets?
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My point was merely that state direction of trade as a means to the end of influencing the politicians in another state -- whether sanctionsagainst, subsidies for or whathave you -- is not an example of "simple capitalism" as eek incorrectly asserts.


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I am wondering, and if you don't mind, if you could point me in the direction of a good (I've only been able to find crap) forum on Libertarianism. I'm terribly curious but the official website isn't a tremendous amount of help. I'd rather read some opinions. If you'd rather not post it here, you could email me at tanya@nflemail.com. Would highly appreciate it.
 

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Thanks for the links. Forgive me for thinking you Libertarian, but your views seem consistent with the ideology. Now I'm thinking you're probably a huge Sex Pistols fan.
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