BJ Casino question

[TotalGenious]

Question for all:

Does a random player or players at a casino BJ table who are making random bets impact the ultimate outcome of the shoe?

For example, Player A sits at an empty table and plays by himself through an eight deck shoe.

Player B sits at an empty table but is subsequently joined by random players 1, 2 and 3 during the dealing of the shoe. Each of these random players play different BJ styles ranging from excellent to stupid

Does Player A have an inherent advantage over Player B at the end of the eight deck shoe, ie will his win % always be higher?

Or another way of looking at this question is,...does the style of play of other random players at the BJ table impact the % win that will occur from that particular shoe?

Please respond with examples and logic

Thanks

Total Genius

 

[packer2012]

Hey Man..... already responding to you in the other thread, but....

I know a very concise answer to your question...... but it is not what you want to hear.

After the shuffle every single card in the shoe is in place and will not change in the order they are dealt. But, in answer to your question, EVERY single move that anyone makes at that table effects EVERY single card from that point forward. Physical fact! This reinforces how truly random the game is.
Another fact.... you only know whether you did well or not.... better or worse..... after the conclusion of the shoe. Sometimes decisions by other people helps you or may hurt you. You see that only after the cards are dealt. You can't know ahead of time if anyone else participating will help you, hurt you, or whatever.

As far as one player doing better on the shoe that the other....... A player playing perfect basic strategy will outperform someone who is just playing randomly. But this will happen over a period of time.... not for sure every shoe.

Not exactly the answer you wanted. Not predictable in any way..... but accurate.

 

[CHOPTALK]

What packer said

 

[EverFresh]

Total

As I posted in the other thread relating to this "issue", there ARE no streaks, there ARE no hot tables, there is ONLY odds and percentages despite what these witchcraft folks will tell you!

But don't listen to me, check out this fine site: http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/

I'd wish you good luck, but there is no luck, only odds and percentages

 

[packer2012]

That's how a homeless guy can run $300 to $400 up to over 1.5 million. There is no luck he says. This little math child is starting to get under my skin. This is how people who have not gambled with serious money amuse themselves. By quoting long term math facts and confusing people. Short term results may vary. Can't make it any more plain that that.

Also.... the 1.5 million story happened at the Treasure Island. Saw the guy with my own eyes cradling more $1000, $5000, and bigger chips in his arms than he could hardly carry. Did not know basic strategy and was just LUCKY. He sat at the table with me a few minutes. This is a documented fact. About 15-20 years ago.

 

[EverFresh]

That's how a homeless guy can run $300 to $400 up to over 1.5 million. There is no luck he says. This little math child is starting to get under my skin. This is how people who have not gambled with serious money amuse themselves. By quoting long term math facts and confusing people. Short term results may vary. Can't make it any more plain that that.

Also.... the 1.5 million story happened at the Treasure Island. Saw the guy with my own eyes cradling more $1000, $5000, and bigger chips in his arms than he could hardly carry. Did not know basic strategy and was just LUCKY. He sat at the table with me a few minutes. This is a documented fact. About 15-20 years ago.

There is no luck, only statistics, percentages and odds. But hey, Pack, casinos were built on the backs of guys like you, so….keep on keeping on

 

[MotorCityMadman]

If Player A is a AP player he will have a advantage over Player B. Player A will get more hands in the shoe then Player. B He will have the chance to get more BJ'S in the shoe. Plus if he is counting he does have the opportunity to spread to multiple hands when the advantage swings his way. Always better to play alone or with one player.

 

[MotorCityMadman]

That's how a homeless guy can run $300 to $400 up to over 1.5 million. There is no luck he says. This little math child is starting to get under my skin. This is how people who have not gambled with serious money amuse themselves. By quoting long term math facts and confusing people. Short term results may vary. Can't make it any more plain that that.

Also.... the 1.5 million story happened at the Treasure Island. Saw the guy with my own eyes cradling more $1000, $5000, and bigger chips in his arms than he could hardly carry. Did not know basic strategy and was just LUCKY. He sat at the table with me a few minutes. This is a documented fact. About 15-20 years ago.

So what does that prove ? Other then he was lucky. More people at the tables are emptying their wallets and pockets then this guy.

 

[packer2012]

There is no luck, only statistics, percentages and odds. But hey, Pack, casinos were built on the backs of guys like you, so….keep on keeping on

So what does that prove ? Other then he was lucky. More people at the tables are emptying their wallets and pockets then this guy.

Children !

 

[MotorCityMadman]

Children !

People like YOU have built all the casino's in the world. Dispute that. You have not a clue in the world about casino gambling.

 

[pocketrockets]

People like YOU have built all the casino's in the world. Dispute that. You have not a clue in the world about casino gambling.

+1

 

[packer2012]

Who you mad at Sir?

I have said before that guys who have never bet serious money hide behind state.

The math of BJ is based on millions of hands on computers. Short sessions (like people play) depend on very little BESIDES LUCK. Basic strategy is important, but also based on huge numbers of hands. In the "long run" as people say.

To say luck and short streaks (varience) do not exist proves that you boys are not experienced players.

You have proven you are not a blackjack player, so I hope the books pay off for you.

 

[packer2012]

Who you mad at Sir?

I have said before that guys who have never bet serious money hide behind math.



The math of BJ is based on millions of hands on computers. Short sessions (like people play) depend on very little BESIDES LUCK. Basic strategy is important, but also based on huge numbers of hands. In the "long run" as people say.

To say luck and short streaks (varience) do not exist proves that you boys are not experienced players.

You have proven you are not a blackjack player, so I hope the books pay off for you.

 

[pocketrockets]

Luck and short streaks exist but there is no way of predicting them.

 

[MotorCityMadman]

Who you mad at Sir?

I have said before that guys who have never bet serious money hide behind math.



The math of BJ is based on millions of hands on computers. Short sessions (like people play) depend on very little BESIDES LUCK. Basic strategy is important, but also based on huge numbers of hands. In the "long run" as people say.

To say luck and short streaks (varience) do not exist proves that you boys are not experienced players.

You have proven you are not a blackjack player, so I hope the books pay off for you.

For your information I have been playing BJ for over 14 years at a rate of 2,000 hours per year. I have only had 1 losing year in that time. I play green chips and some time light black. My spread is usually 1/8. I like to play by myself or with 1 or 2 players tops. Playing with less players at the table increases your EV. More hands per hour. You would not last 14 minutes with your knowledge of the game.

 

[EverFresh]

For your information I have been playing BJ for over 14 years at a rate of 2,000 hours per year. I have only had 1 losing year in that time. I play green chips and some time light black. My spread is usually 1/8. I like to play by myself or with 1 or 2 players tops. Playing with less players at the table increases your EV. More hands per hour. You would not last 14 minutes with your knowledge of the game.

Finally, a guy who gets it!