Biggest Lead Yet For Kerry In Florida

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CPOD) Aug. 6, 2004 – John Kerry could carry the state of Florida in the 2004 United States presidential election, according to a poll by American Research Group. 50 per cent of respondents would vote for the Democratic nominee, while 43 per cent would support Republican incumbent George W. Bush.

Independent candidate Ralph Nader garners the support of two per cent of respondents, while five per cent remain undecided. The election is scheduled for Nov. 2.

Support for Kerry increased by three per cent since July, while backing for both Bush and Nader dropped by one per cent.

Florida’s 27 electoral votes decided the 2000 presidential election, after weeks of recounts and court injunctions concluded in a 537-vote victory for Bush over Democrat Al Gore. Since 1972, the only Democrats to carry Florida in a presidential election are Jimmy Carter in 1976 and Bill Clinton in 1996.

Polling Data

What candidate would you vote for in the 2004 U.S. presidential election?

Aug. 5
Jul. 15
Jun. 23

John Kerry (D)
50%
47%
47%

George W. Bush (R)
43%
44%
46%

Ralph Nader (I)
2%
3%
2%

Undecided
5%
6%
5%



Source: American Research Group
Methodology: Telephone interviews to 600 likely Florida voters, conducted from Aug. 3 to Aug. 5, 2004. Margin of error is 4 per cent.



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In Election 2000, the difference in the votes cast for George W. Bush and Al Gore was less than one percent in Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida, New Mexico, Oregon and Wisconsin -- all of which are considered battleground or “swing” states for the 2004 election.

Most experts agree that in the 2004 election Ohio, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Missouri join the list. Together these ten states account for 117 of the electoral-college votes -- with 270 votes needed to win the presidency.

If the election turns out to be as tight as it appears today, two states may prove to be the most critical: Ohio and Florida.

In both states Bush is under fire. If he loses either Florida or Ohio in a close race, he will likely lose the election.

Here's a round up of the key swing states:



OREGON (7 electoral votes): Leaning to Kerry.

Democrats have been victorious in the last three presidential elections in Oregon, but Republicans won nine of the 10 elections from 1948 to 1984 -- with the exception of the 1964 victory for Lyndon Johnson.

Oregon voters have a liberal social record that includes support for same-sex marriage, medicinal marijuana and physician-assisted suicide.

In 2000, former Vice President Al Gore beat Bush by less than 7,000 votes in the state. Rasmussen Reports indicate Kerry ahead of Bush, 50 percent to 42 percent. The Rasmussen poll matches the nonpartisan American Research Group of Manchester, N.H., which also shows Kerry with 50 percent to 42 percent for Bush.
NEW MEXICO (5 electoral votes): Leans to Kerry.

New Mexico has supported every winning president since 1912 except once in 1976. Gore won the state by just 366 votes in 2000 – a narrower margin than was the case in the Bush Florida victory.

With lots of Hispanic voters at stake, Bush is pushing his “guest worker” immigration initiative, and Kerry is touting his alternative of “earned citizenship.”

John Kerry leads George W. Bush among likely voters in New Mexico according to a survey by the American Research Group. According to the American Research Group, a total of 49 percent of likely voters say they would vote for Kerry if the presidential election were being held today and 42 percent say they would vote for Bush. A total of 3 percent of likely voters say they would vote for Ralph Nader and 6 percent of likely voters are undecided.


NEW HAMPSHIRE (4 electoral votes): Leans to Kerry.

Republicans outnumber Democrats 36.7 percent to 25.6 percent in the Granite State. The state has predictably voted for the Republican candidate in six of the past eight presidential elections. In 1996, Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole by an almost 10-point margin.

In 2000 Bush edged by Gore by over 7000 votes. Kerry has been appealing to the strong tech sector with a promise to add 1.2 million jobs.

Kerry’s plan would stimulate economic growth by cutting taxes on small businesses and research. John Kerry leads George W. Bush among likely voters in New Hampshire, according to a survey by the American Research Group. A total of 49 percent of likely voters say they would vote for Kerry if the Presidential election were being held today and 42 percent say they would vote for Bush. A total of 2 percent of likely voters say they would vote for Ralph Nader and 7 percent of likely voters are undecided.



OHIO (20 electoral votes): Leans to Bush.

No Republican presidential candidate from Abraham Lincoln to George W. Bush has won a presidential election without carrying Ohio.

Ohioans are most concerned about the loss of manufacturing jobs and high unemployment -- with 265,000 jobs have been lost in the state since 2000.

The latest Rasmussen survey shows President Bush with 46 percent of the vote and Senator Kerry with 42 percent (5 percent to other; 9 percent undecided). That four point edge matches Bush's margin of victory in the state four years ago. In Election 2000, it was Bush 50 percent, Gore 46 percent.


WEST VIRGINIA (5 electoral votes): Leans to Bush.

Until the 2000 presidential election when the voters rejected Al Gore, West Virginia had voted Republican in only three of the last 18 presidential elections: 1956, 1972, and 1984 -- all elections that featured Republican incumbents.

West Virginians worry about the future of the coal industry, and the state has the nation’s fifth-highest percentage of veterans. In West Virginia, Rasmussen shows President Bush leads John Kerry by five percentage points, 46 percent to 41 percent. Four years ago, Bush won the state by six points over Al Gore, 52 percent to 46 percent.


PENNSYLVANIA (21 electoral votes): Leans to Kerry.

In the past three presidential elections, Democrats won this state, and registered Democratic voters outnumber registered Republicans by almost half a million.

However, Republican presidential candidates carried Pennsylvania three times in the 1980s.

Although Bush’s decision to remove tariffs on steel imports proved unpopular in steel-producing regions of the state, the state’s many older voters support the administration’s prescription-drug legislation.

This is also home turf for Teresa Heinz Kerry, widow of the former Pennsylvania senator John Heinz and now Kerry’s wife. In Pennsylvania, the latest Rasmussen Reports survey finds Bush with 45 percent of the vote and Kerry with 44 percent. Four years ago, Bush lost Pennsylvania to Al Gore by five percentage points.


FLORIDA (27 electoral votes): Dead Heat.

The extremely close vote and controversial recounts in 2000, when former Vice President Al Gore came within less than 1,000 votes of winning the state spotlight the effect that a single state can have on the election’s outcome.

In a state brimming with seniors, many analysts predicted Bush and the GOP would get a big boost from adding a prescription drug benefit to Medicare last year.

It hasn't panned out. Florida voters are evenly divided on whether the legislation was a positive step toward reining in the costs of prescription drugs for seniors.

Both candidates are addressing the significant immigrant population of Florida with Bush promoting a “guest-worker” plan while Kerry is promoting “earned citizenship” -- legalization and citizenship reform for undocumented immigrants.

The latest Rasmussen Reports Florida survey finds Kerry with 48 percent of the vote to Bush's 43 percent. By comparison, in May the candidates were tied in Florida -- with both Bush and Kerry attracting 46 percent of the vote.


MISSOURI (11 electoral votes): Leans to Bush.

In every presidential election of the 20th century except 1956, the successful presidential candidate has won this state.

Although Missouri has a significant Catholic population, 32 percent of Missouri voters identify themselves as members of the Religious Right. The state legislature’s opposition to same-sex marriage reflects the conservative voter base.

In Missouri, the latest Rasmussen Reports survey shows Bush with 50 percent of the vote and Kerry with 46 percent. Four years ago, Bush won the state of Missouri by a narrow 50 percent to 47 percent margin.


WISCONSIN (10 electoral votes): Leans to Kerry

Wisconsin has voted for the Democratic candidate in four of the last six presidential elections -- crossing over to support Ronald Reagan in his two wins 1980 and 1984. Gore won this state narrowly in 2000. Wisconsin has suffered from 75,000 manufacturing job losses since the last presidential election. About 12 percent of Wisconsin’s voters are veterans, so the war in Iraq, defense issues and veteran benefits lead the list of issues important to voters.

Kerry holds an eight-point lead over Bush in Wisconsin. The latest Rasmussen Reports survey in that state found Kerry earning 50 percent of the vote to Bush's 42 percent. Interestingly, however, when Ralph Nader is mentioned as an alternative, Kerry's lead is cut in half -- 45 percent to 41 percent --with Nader taking 8 percent of the vote.


IOWA (7 electoral votes): Leans to Bush.

Iowa has not voted for a Republican presidential candidate since 1984, but David Roederer, chairman of the Bush-Cheney 2004 Iowa Leadership Team, likes to point out, “Iowa was one of seven states where the difference was less than a percentage point. We only lost by 4,100 votes last time.”

Four years ago, Al Gore narrowly carried Iowa by a 49 percent to 48 percent margin. Democrats are focusing on jobs, the economy, health care, insurance, education and opposition to free trade. Prime voter country – the farming areas outside of Des Moines where John Edwards proved popular in the caucuses.

In Iowa, the latest Rasmussen Reports polling data shows Senator John Kerry with 48 percent of the vote and President George W. Bush with 45 percent. A month ago, Kerry had a four-point lead. The month before that Kerry was leading by eight percentage points, 49 percent to 41 percent.

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Gee, easy money for you Wil, Pinny has Fld. Bush-122 and Kerry+112, but then again the "polls" say Kerry. You'd think all those pollsters would be pounding the Kerry side, wouldn't you? I say hmmmm, Bush in a landslide!
 

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Bill - thats buy back at Pinnacle, but knock yourself out betting the favorite. Best of luck.


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Not to worry, I maxed out on Bush some time ago, I'll be doing my buyback when Kerry reaches +150!
 

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Bill, glad to hear that. Hang in there for the buck fifty. The buy back is acutally by Kerry bettors who took plus 200 or more early in the race. Now they lay the dime or so on Bush. I have been booking elections since 72, intresting action.

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Bush is going to have a hard time in Fla. The seniors are pissed for that sham of a priscription bill, the large military contingent in Fla are not all going to vote for Bush this time around, and the Dems will be out in force to revenge the 2000 fiasco as blacks were denied the right to vote because of a crooked ineligible voting list.
 

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Wil,

If you have been booking elections since way back, is there a best time to get in? Like maybe after both conventions play out? Or do you recommend like a lotta people playing pro foots, wait all way up until right before kick-off, i.e., election?

Cause I may wanna get down on Kerry. Also, IMO in presidential election in a close contest, national poll is meaningless, it's what's happening in swing states is what counts. Just curious,

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Mud, my advice would be to watch the first debate and handicap it. Assuming no Earth shattering events effect things between now and then use your own take on how the debate went.
There is a good chance the winner of the debate (if there is one), will get a nice bounce so you can fire before the bounce. You have got to stay on top off news that could swing the election between now and Nov 2nd. Most likely October will tell the tale. Try to beat the move and play before the books move. Pay little attention to the GOP convention, it should not make much differance. There are some sharp sports guys that NEVER lose presedential bets, if I hear anything I will let you know (privately).


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Nice spin, but I'm no buying it! The few people who had Kerry at +200 have already closed their scalp at Bush-105 after the Dem fiasco, er I mean convention.

Seems to me I heard the same whine before the 2002 election in Fld. e.g., "the people of Fld. are still smarting from the 2000 presidental election and are going to go to the polls in record numbers and turn out Jeb in revenge, etc.ect."! I didn't buy it then, and I'm not buying it now. You are just letting your personal bias cloud your thinking and are posting based on what you HOPE will happen, not on the realities of the political scene.

The day after the election you'll be like James Carvell, with a waste basket over your head!
 

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Bill,

I couldn't agree more.

The Florida governors election in 2002 was hyped as the dems are takng Florida back, Jeb won in a landslide. There is no reason believe GW Bush will not win Florida.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
There are some sharp sports guys that NEVER lose presedential bets, if I hear anything I will let you know (privately).

wil. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wil, what about 2000? If the sharp guy won with Bush, was he really sharp? Because of course Gore really did win objectively. Unless you were handicapping for the fix.
 

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Geez - I remember Papa Bush leading in the polls by double digits at this point in time 12 years ago.

Papa lost because he broke his "read my lips, no new taxes" vow and went along with the Dem congress for a massive tax increase; a lot of people who would usually have voted for him either didn't go to the polls or voted for H Ross.

A lot can and will happen between now and election day! We still haven't seen the Republican convention, which will be followed by an airing of all of the goods on Mr Kerry.
 
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Bush has fallen more than 10 points in New Jersey, as well. It's something crazy like 50 to 35 in favor of Kerry there. I'm starting to feel some momentum in Kerry's favor... are the Republicans readying a surprise attack, or are they dead in the water with this new job report?
 

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Have the pinn odds changed on this great news for Kerry, I don't believe any of it.
 

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Pinnacle, President election

This is the most accurate poll on the planet.

GOP -120
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Wil, what about 2000? If the sharp guy won with Bush, was he really sharp? Because of course Gore really did win objectively. Unless you were handicapping for the fix. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 2000 election saw little late movement, and as far as I know was a pass for most smart money. Elections are like many boxing matches. it's not how much money is bet, but who does the betting. Let me just say like any other type of gambling there are a few very sharp bettors who have opinions on elections (non-partisan btw) that are worth their wait in gold. I am not even saying which way this thing will go in this thread, if you read my post to Mudbone, it never mentions what side I think will win. Like I said to Bill knock yourself out betting on Bush and good luck to you. This thread started out about Florida and turned into a debate about betting the election, right now 10 cent money moves at a book like Pinnacle mean little, believe me, when the election breaks ONE WAY OR ANOTHER then and only then will you see real line movement. I hope everyone here knows what one way or another means. Bill the cop if you want to use sportsbooks numbers as an indicator that Bush will win go right ahead you have my bleessings 100%. I repeat go for it bet all you can, but you may miss an even better number down the line if the race breaks against your pick. Little hint - watch for any big move at CRIS (again either way).

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I just watched a special from the guy who heads up www.intrade.com. He's neutral as far as the candidates go and just reports what his 34,000 subscribers are betting on. The way he sees it Bush wins 53% to 45% for Kerry, with 2% going to Nader. His outfit has been right in every election since its inception (even picking Edwards as running mate for Kerry as far back as May).

He says his data base is comprised of people from the political spectrum and the investment community and according to him represent a "true" picture of this election, as opposed to a poll sampling of a few hundred people.

He even used my favorite phase, he said "these thousands of knowledgeable people are actually voting with their wallets".

I say, GAME-SET-MATCH!!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAMEFACE:
Pinnacle, President election

This is the most accurate poll on the planet.

GOP -120 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's right. And yet the odds started at over -200 and I can tell you because I've watched it closely, for the vast majority of the time they've offered the best GOP odds available. They have got to be GOP-heavy. Tell me, when you see a game go from -200 to -120, do you really conclude that the bookie is telling you the favorite is going to win?
 

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