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Jim Grobe? what? seriously?
 

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I was having lunch with one of my customers today, and after lunch we started talking CFB and the upcoming season. I dropped off a Athlon's mag for him, gotta keep that business. We were talking about Baylor, and I know the Big12 WONT do this, but if I were them, before the NCAA steps in, if they even do anything, I'd slap Baylor with probation and sanctions. I don't even know if they can.

But I look at a program like TCU, who GP has jettisoned all B12 and All American talent when they have gotten into trouble for being accused of assault on womenn, and dropped kids from the program and gotten them help for drugs, when they had issues. He even suspended his all American QB last year a day before the bowl game for a fight with a heckling fan, when the charges were later dropped. Yet that dumb@$$ in Waco turns a blind eye his athletes assaulting women so that he can keep winning. I dont blame GP for taking shots at Baylor. All the grief he got for calling them out last year, he gets the last laugh.
 

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I was having lunch with one of my customers today, and after lunch we started talking CFB and the upcoming season. I dropped off a Athlon's mag for him, gotta keep that business. We were talking about Baylor, and I know the Big12 WONT do this, but if I were them, before the NCAA steps in, if they even do anything, I'd slap Baylor with probation and sanctions. I don't even know if they can.

But I look at a program like TCU, who GP has jettisoned all B12 and All American talent when they have gotten into trouble for being accused of assault on womenn, and dropped kids from the program and gotten them help for drugs, when they had issues. He even suspended his all American QB last year a day before the bowl game for a fight with a heckling fan, when the charges were later dropped. Yet that dumb@$$ in Waco turns a blind eye his athletes assaulting women so that he can keep winning. I dont blame GP for taking shots at Baylor. All the grief he got for calling them out last year, he gets the last laugh.
I'm not sure how much power the Big 12 brass have to penalize Baylor, but it may not matter by the time it's all said and done with the NCAA. I just saw yesterday that AD McGraw has resigned. If he goes, I don't see how they can possibly keep the rest of this staff. Especially Little Briles. The rotten apple probably doesn't fall far from the rotten tree...The only reason I can think of why they would keep the assistant coaches on is to maybe keep some of their 2016 signees intact until summer school starts. Then once school starts May 31, they fire the rest of the staff. If that is there intention, we should know shortly.
 

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I'm not sure how much power the Big 12 brass have to penalize Baylor, but it may not matter by the time it's all said and done with the NCAA. I just saw yesterday that AD McGraw has resigned. If he goes, I don't see how they can possibly keep the rest of this staff. Especially Little Briles. The rotten apple probably doesn't fall far from the rotten tree...The only reason I can think of why they would keep the assistant coaches on is to maybe keep some of their 2016 signees intact until summer school starts. Then once school starts May 31, they fire the rest of the staff. If that is there intention, we should know shortly.
I think they have to keep them as I don't know if they can put a staff together that quick. Summer school started today if I am not mistaken. The players have been very quiet so far.
 

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I think they have to keep them as I don't know if they can put a staff together that quick. Summer school started today if I am not mistaken. The players have been very quiet so far.
Only two of their 2017 signees are left on the list. I believe they originally had three 4 stars out of the original group that will probably be going to other schools. And that's not counting the potential defectors that are there now. Like I said, I'll be surprised if they keep Bennett and Briles jr. If everybody else knew this was going on, you know these guys had to know...I think they are going to clean house. I'm not sure little Briles even wants to be there after daddy got fired...
 

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Personally, I think Jim Grobe is a good choice right now. He is nothing more than a
stop-gap/fill-in until the school can get their footing and reorganize. Grobe is like 64
or 65 years old and he did a workman's job at Wake Forest, another private school.

Baylor is looking at a difficult year but I still believe they have a winning season. For
a gaming man, I wouldn't throw them under the table. The public already has!!
 

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Personally, I think Jim Grobe is a good choice right now. He is nothing more than a
stop-gap/fill-in until the school can get their footing and reorganize. Grobe is like 64
or 65 years old and he did a workman's job at Wake Forest, another private school.

Baylor is looking at a difficult year but I still believe they have a winning season. For
a gaming man, I wouldn't throw them under the table. The public already has!!
I wonder what he's been doing for the last 3 years besides babysitting the grandkids...
 

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I wonder what he's been doing for the last 3 years besides babysitting the grandkids...

GS, I'm guessing you are not of the age for a bunch of grandkids...I am and I can assure you it is a great motivational tool
for getting someone interested in what they love and have done for 45 years for a career.

You guys knocking/degrading Jim Grobe are way off base. Matter of fact, it's pretty damn sad.
 

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Heard Riley Skinner on the radio today. Said Grobe has stayed close to the game. My guess, he comes in and does not try to change the offense or defense, but is the CEO and watches over to make sure execution stays sharp. What I would worry about is if he comes in and tinkers with the offense. If I remember correctly, Wake was very heavy run/ball control/QB option and a stout defense.
 

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Good post Winner.

Grobe was not hired by Baylor to reinvent the wheel. Offense will stay the same.
Defense will stay the same. Special teams will stay the same.

Anyone doubting that is a fool.
 

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Heard Riley Skinner on the radio today. Said Grobe has stayed close to the game. My guess, he comes in and does not try to change the offense or defense, but is the CEO and watches over to make sure execution stays sharp. What I would worry about is if he comes in and tinkers with the offense. If I remember correctly, Wake was very heavy run/ball control/QB option and a stout defense.
I've always heard he is a defensive guy. But WF did have a tricky offense to defend. If Bennett resigns or is fired I think Grobe will have a big say in the defense. Although I would be surprised at this point that they would change the general scheme on either side of the ball...Changes start in the spring, and that ship has sailed.
 

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GS,
Not sure you saw this or not, but found the Texas AD Perrin statement very telling...
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ld-earn-an-additional-1-billion-by-expanding/

DALLAS -- Big 12 administrators will be presented with information this week at the league's spring meetings that expansion could earn the conference at least an additional $1 billion over the length of its remaining TV rights contract, CBS Sports has learned.
If the league expands by four teams, provisions in its contracts with ESPN and Fox provide money for that benchmark. If the expansion is by two teams, the increase would be $500 million.
Those rightsholders are contractually bound to provide "pro rata" for any new Big 12 members. That is, any new members would be paid an equal share of the current Big 12 members -- approximately $23 million per year.
While on its face that doesn't necessarily help the 10 current members of the Big 12, opening the existing contract would allow for a negotiation beyond that $1 billion figure.
Most importantly, it would satisfy one of the conference's key concerns: Falling behind the other Power Five conferences in revenue.
The Big 12 is approximately $9 million per school behind the SEC in annual revenue. Added expansion would close that gap "by half," according to a source.
The Big 12 has eight years remaining on its rights deal that pays it through the 2024-25 academic year. The current media rights deal is worth $1.3 billion from ESPN and $1.2 billion from Fox, according to SportsBusiness Daily.


While an additional $1 billion wouldn't guarantee expansion, it does shed light on how the league could add new teams. Previously, the discussion had centered around the quality of teams joining, rather than the Big 12's leverage in expansion.
When the league signed the 2012 deal, there was conversation regarding language for reopening the contract in the event of expansion. The parties agreed the Big 12 would get equal shares for any new teams that were added.
That means a team from the American Athletic Conference -- most often mentioned as possibilities in Big 12 expansion -- would automatically go from the $3-10 million range to $23 million.
The Big 12's leverage arguably came from the reason why the league exists in the first place following the latest round of conference realignment. Any conference that includes Texas and Oklahoma is worth televising.
The information is expected to be shared during presentations both Thursday and Friday. Big 12 administrators will be given the most extensive information since the potential for expansion became an issue a year ago.
As previously reported, models have been run for the Big 12 that include expansion to 12, 14 and 16 members. Consultant Navigate Research has told the league it has a 62 percent chance of reaching the College Football Playoff in any given year if it stays at 10 members. That figure goes up to approximately 75 percent if the league expands.
On Friday, the Big 12 will hear from Chris Bevilacqua, co-founder of Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures, on detailed monetary figures for adding teams, a conference network and/or a conference championship game.
Expansion is anything but a certainty.

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Texas finally got on record Wednesday when athletic director Mike Perrin said, "The prudent thing for [the Big 12] to do is stay where we are."
He added: "I think the Big Ten is well positioned on television, well-positioned on the playoffs."
Perrin quickly corrected himself, saying he meant Big 12 instead of Big Ten.
"Texas has not moved," he added.
Texas' agreement to expansion is seen as a key to any move by the Big 12. It will take a super majority of eight schools to approve it. Perrin was later asked by CBS Sports, if the vote was 9-1 for expansion with Texas being the only dissenter, whether the school would agree to expansion.
He said it would.
"I can't think of any single factor" that would cause Texas to be in favor of expansion, Perrin said.
It's been stressed over and again that no final decisions are expected to be reached this week. Commissioner Bob Bowlsby has said he would like to see a resolution by the end of summer.

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"We haven't talked about [additional] schools at all," he said. "It depends on what your priorities are. League stability? Others would say revenue generation. Others would say accessing the College Football Playoff."
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Expansion is on the table -- but not expected to occur this year -- at the Big 12 meetings. USATSI
 

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Baker Mayfield’s time at Oklahoma will not extend past this season.
On Wednesday the Big 12 did not pass a new rule on transfers that would have given the Sooners quarterback a year of eligibility back. Mayfield, a transfer from Texas Tech, lost a year of eligibility when he transferred to OU.
The conference voted 5-5 on a rule that would not force walk-on student athletes transferring within the league to sit out a season. The “Baker Mayfield Rule” needed at least six votes to pass.

Mayfield will now possibly be able to play somewhere outside of the Big 12 in 2017 as a graduate transfer if he wants to.
 

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Per AP - Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowsby says he's going to push conference leaders to make
decisions one way or the other on the lingering issues of expansion, a football championship game
and a league network by the end of the summer. Athletic directors spent about 90 minutes during
the league's spring meetings Wednesday in what were termed "philosophical discussions" about
those topics. The final decisions will be made by the 10-team league's board of directors comprised
of school presidents and chancellors. That group, which includes three interim presidents, will join
the conference meetings Thursday and Friday and will have a significant amount of data to consider
this week and into the summer.
 

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Baker Mayfield’s time at Oklahoma will not extend past this season.
On Wednesday the Big 12 did not pass a new rule on transfers that would have given the Sooners quarterback a year of eligibility back. Mayfield, a transfer from Texas Tech, lost a year of eligibility when he transferred to OU.
The conference voted 5-5 on a rule that would not force walk-on student athletes transferring within the league to sit out a season. The “Baker Mayfield Rule” needed at least six votes to pass.

Mayfield will now possibly be able to play somewhere outside of the Big 12 in 2017 as a graduate transfer if he wants to.
It's probably not a good idea right now to piss off OU over an issue like this. At this point it wouldn't take much for them to pack up and leave. I just heard on the sports that they are bringing this issue back to the table for a re-vote, except with a little different wording. I know most likely Texas voted against it. And UT will always have Baylor, TCU and TTU in their back pocket. But I would like to know who the 5th school was who voted against it....
 

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It's probably not a good idea right now to piss off OU over an issue like this. At this point it wouldn't take much for them to pack up and leave. I just heard on the sports that they are bringing this issue back to the table for a re-vote, except with a little different wording. I know most likely Texas voted against it. And UT will always have Baylor, TCU and TTU in their back pocket. But I would like to know who the 5th school was who voted against it....

Well given this does not look like a great QB class at this point beyond Watson, maybe Kaaya, and the kid from Ole Miss, if Mayfield has a good year wouldn't he bolt for greener pastures anyways?
 

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I hear the Big 12 Commish, Mike Perrin is against conference expansion. One would expect Boren to start parroting the same theme after Texas throws him a bone or two.
 

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Baker Mayfield’s time at Oklahoma will not extend past this season.
On Wednesday the Big 12 did not pass a new rule on transfers that would have given the Sooners quarterback a year of eligibility back. Mayfield, a transfer from Texas Tech, lost a year of eligibility when he transferred to OU.
The conference voted 5-5 on a rule that would not force walk-on student athletes transferring within the league to sit out a season. The “Baker Mayfield Rule” needed at least six votes to pass.

Mayfield will now possibly be able to play somewhere outside of the Big 12 in 2017 as a graduate transfer if he wants to.

IRVING, Texas -- In a reversal from the day before, the Big 12 approved a rule proposal Thursday that will make quarterback Baker Mayfield eligible atOklahoma for the 2017 season.
On Wednesday, the faculty athletic representatives voted down a rule that would have allowed walk-ons to transfer within the conference without losing a season of eligibility.

Instead of allowing all walk-ons to transfer regardless, the reps amended the original proposal, allowing only walk-ons without written scholarship offers from their original schools to transfer without losing a season of eligibility. If the walk-on still elected to transfer after being offered a scholarship from the original school, then the player would face the league's same eligibility restrictions that apply to scholarship players.
 

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It's probably not a good idea right now to piss off OU over an issue like this. At this point it wouldn't take much for them to pack up and leave. I just heard on the sports that they are bringing this issue back to the table for a re-vote, except with a little different wording. I know most likely Texas voted against it. And UT will always have Baylor, TCU and TTU in their back pocket. But I would like to know who the 5th school was who voted against it....

I was curious what you had to say. Hearing discontent in soonerland, reminds me of nebraska 2010. I pegged this summer as the last chance for the next conference expansion (big ten contract inspired) for a few years. At this point Id be surprised, but when it goes bad, it's all pretty fast.
 

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