Biden wins debate!!!!...on lies not substance.

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Now watching the debate I honestley thought Biden won the debate and sweety Sarah held her own and has a ton of potential for the big leagues.
...but after seeing this it Biden was just a lying marxist that he has always been and he got away with it because the double AA player can't hit the curve ball.

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Joe Biden 14 lies at debate
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.


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number 4 - mccain did not even vote on the bill that obama voted against. he did urge the president to VETO a funding bill so the republicans can tell one lie and the reublicans can tell another.

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number 10 - he cosponsored one bill, a lot of good he (mccain) did when the republicans had control of the house and the senate.
 

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number 1 - a lie the republicans continue to tell. obama voted on a bill that would, if followed by more legislation that would have to pass, raise taxes on singles making 42K, married couples (who are not home owners) making 83K, and families of 4 (not home owners) making 90K.

Biden was wrong in regards to McCain voting the wrong way. The campaign mentioned that Biden was talking about another vote but when you research that one you find that McCain, as is often the case, did not vote at all.
 

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2 - the dems are constantly attempting to spin this and this is the worst job i have seen them do so far. it would however been funny if biden had asked her "why" last night when she said this would be dangerous. i would bet my house she would not have an answer... maybe it would all be about job creation haha...

all in all i have no beef with number 2, obv obama said it and biden put his foot in his mouth on this one.
 

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3 - the biden / obama ticket supports offshore drilling where it makes since. they also mention the leases that big oil currently own yet do not drill on because it is more cost effective for them to buy it and refine it then to drill for it offshore. suggesting a use or lose it policy where if they don't get the oil in the leases someone will. that would be good because it would increase competition, a republican stronghold in the past even though big oil has clearly gotten less competitive.

i don't know biden's past position on drilling and seeing as he is not going to be president i don't care.
 

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5 - obama/biden is in favor of clean coal. until you link me to where he has opposed clean coal this is a classic case of a VP putting his foot in his mouth... replace the his with hers and i think we have seen plenty of that from palin.

biden steered this conversation in question in the direction of how horrible china is in how they are using coal. given he clearly misspoke but the way it has been spun by the right is much more of a lie to the public.
 

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UNO: Quit ruining the circle jerk

You're going to have to cut copy and paste this into the other 3 threads with this same stuff........
 

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UNO: Quit ruining the circle jerk

You're going to have to cut copy and paste this into the other 3 threads with this same stuff........

i know, this is just a retarded thread.... they both distorted, A LOT!
 

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Exactly

One could produce a similar thread on Palin last night...i'm sure it's circulating on blogs somewhere
 

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