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BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Sun-Times Columnist
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Casually straightening his tie with one hand as he holds the door for a stranger with the other, the young politician strides into the cafe, greeting an employee by name and flashing a big grin at the rest of the room.
He grabs a bottled protein shake from the cooler at the back of Cafe Baci on South Michigan Avenue, and settles into a table near the soft-drink dispenser, doffing his suit jacket along the way. Barack Obama is alone on this Saturday afternoon in the city, his press secretary nowhere in sight. He's not carrying anything with him. Not even notes.

Yet he appears confident as he answers questions about his spiritual life, a subject that would make many politicians -- on or off the campaign trail -- more skittish than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

If an hourlong conversation about his faith unnerves him, Obama's not letting on.
The first question he fields without hesitation: What does he believe?
"I am a Christian," the 42-year-old Illinois state senator and Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate says, as one of the nearby customers interrupts to congratulate him on his recent primary win. Obama shakes the man's hand and says, "Thank you very much. I appreciate that," before turning his attention directly back to the question.
"So, I have a deep faith," Obama continues. "I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.
"That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."
It's perhaps an unlikely theological position for someone who places his faith squarely at the feet of Jesus to take, saying essentially that all people of faith -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone -- know the same God.
That depends, Obama says, on how a particular verse from the Gospel of John, where Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me," is heard.
Obama's theological point of view was shaped by his uniquely multicultural upbringing. He was born in 1961 in Hawaii to a white mother who came from Protestant Midwestern stock and a black African father who hailed from the Luo tribe of Kenya.
Obama describes his father, after whom he is named, as "agnostic." His paternal grandfather was a Muslim. His mother, he says, was a Christian.
"My mother, who I think had as much influence on my values as anybody, was not someone who wore her religion on her sleeve," he says. "We'd go to church for Easter. She wasn't a 'church lady.' "
In his 1993 memoir, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance, Obama describes his mother as "a lonely witness for secular humanism."
"My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess, a faith that she would refuse to describe as religious; that, in fact, her experience told her was sacrilegious: a faith that rational, thoughtful people could shape their own destiny," he says in the book.
When he was 6 years old, after his parents divorced, Obama moved with his mother and her new husband -- a non-practicing Muslim -- to Indonesia, where he lived until he was 10 and attended a Roman Catholic school.
"I went to a Catholic school in a Muslim country, so I was studying the Bible and catechisms by day, and, at night, you'd hear the Muslim prayer call," Obama recalls. "My mother was a deeply spiritual person and would spend a lot of time talking about values and give me books about the world's religions and talk to me about them.
"Her view always was that underlying these religions was a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself, but also for the greater good."
Obama earned a degree in political science from New York's Columbia University in 1983 and in 1991 graduated magna cum laude with a law degree from Harvard University. Since 1993, he has been a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School.
Those experiences, as much as his multireligious childhood, affect how he expresses his faith, Obama says.
"Alongside my own deep personal faith, I am a follower, as well, of our civic religion," he says. "I am a big believer in the separation of church and state. I am a big believer in our constitutional structure. I mean, I'm a law professor at the University of Chicago teaching constitutional law.
"I am a great admirer of our founding charter and its resolve to prevent theocracies from forming and its resolve to prevent disruptive strains of fundamentalism from taking root in this country.
"I think there is an enormous danger on the part of public figures to rationalize or justify their actions by claiming God's mandate. I don't think it's healthy for public figures to wear religion on their sleeve as a means to insulate themselves from criticism, or dialogue with people who disagree with them."
Still, Obama is unapologetic in saying he has a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." As a sign of that relationship, he says, he walked down the aisle of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ in response to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's altar call one Sunday morning about 16 years ago.
The politician could have ended his spiritual tale right there, at the point some people might assume his life changed, when he got "saved," transformed, washed in the blood. But Obama wants to clarify what truly happened.
"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them.... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."
These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.
So how did he become a churchgoer?
It began in 1985, when he came to Chicago as a $13,000-a-year community organizer, working with a number of African-American churches in the Roseland, West Pullman and Altgeld Gardens neighborhoods that were trying to deal with the devastation caused by shuttered steel plants.
"I started working with both the ministers and the lay people in these churches on issues like creating job-training programs, or after-school programs for youth, or making sure that city services were fairly allocated to underserved communities," he says. "And it was in those places where I think what had been more of an intellectual view of religion deepened.
"I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and its importance in the community. And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply."
Obama says he reads the Bible, though not as regularly as he'd like, now that he's on the campaign trail. But he does find time to pray.
"It's not formal, me getting on my knees," he says. "I think I have an ongoing conversation with God.... I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why I am doing it.
"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."
Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.
"I always have felt in him this consciousness that, at the end of the day, with all of us, you've got to face God," Pfleger says of Obama. "Faith is key to his life, no question about it. It is central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father.... I don't think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is."
Another person Obama says he seeks out for spiritual counsel is state Sen. James Meeks, who is also the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church. The day after Obama won the primary in March, he stopped by Salem for Wednesday-night Bible study.
"I know that he's a person of prayer," Meeks says. "The night after the election, he was the hottest thing going from Galesburg to Rockford. He did all the TV shows, and all the morning news, but his last stop at night was for church. He came by to say thank you, and he came by for prayer."
Obama admits it's not easy for politicians to talk about faith.
"Part of the reason I think it's always difficult for public figures to talk about this is that the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you," he says. "Oftentimes, that's by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest common denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is.
"The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell."
Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell.
But he's not sure if he'll be going to heaven, either. "I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die," he says. "When I tuck in my daughters at night, and I feel like I've been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they're kind people and that they're honest people, and they're curious people, that's a little piece of heaven."






If Obama was truly a Christian, he wouldn't believe that there are many paths to the same place. The Bible (i.e., John chapter 3, John chapter 10, Acts chapter 4, etc, etc), the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed - they all teach that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven.

If you want to be an animist, fine with me, the same for being Jewish, a Hindu or a Buddhist. If you are going to call yourself a Christian, at least believe the central core - that Jesus is the only way to heaven.

Hindus, Buddhists - they don't mince words and try to say there really isn't a thing called reincarnation. They stick to their beliefs. Muslims don't twist their scriptures like Obama twists Jesus words in the article. Muslims don't say that Mohammed isn't Allah's Prophet. They say that there is one God, Allah, and Mohammed IS his prophet. They stick to their beliefs. Obama says that "there are many paths to the same place," and abaondoned Christianity in the process.

In the end, Obama is a humanist, plain and simple.

BTW, Obama doesn't believe that Adolf Hitler went to hell? I sure hope not.
 

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Far be it from me to stick up for Obama. But I think what he's saying is that the passages you cite, like so many others in the Bible, are not to be taken literally. It can be interpreted that the path to heaven is through Christ's teachings, not necessarily belief in him as the earthly representation of God.

There are numerous other verses and quotations of Jesus that would seem to support this interpretation.
 

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Far be it from me to stick up for Obama. But I think what he's saying is that the passages you cite, like so many others in the Bible, are not to be taken literally. It can be interpreted that the path to heaven is through Christ's teachings, not necessarily belief in him as the earthly representation of God.

There are numerous other verses and quotations of Jesus that would seem to support this interpretation.
I respectfully disagree Mama.
 
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Far be it from me to stick up for Obama. But I think what he's saying is that the passages you cite, like so many others in the Bible, are not to be taken literally. It can be interpreted that the path to heaven is through Christ's teachings, not necessarily belief in him as the earthly representation of God.

There are numerous other verses and quotations of Jesus that would seem to support this interpretation.

Name one. Seriously.
 

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I don't have a problem with what he said about his faith. We all do answer to the same god, we just choose a different path or worship.

It might be the very principles this country is founded on.
 

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Name one. Seriously.


How about "Judge not lest ye be judged". You and I may believe that those who don't accept Christ as their savior aren't getting to heaven, but I know that only the Father makes that judgment.

My point is, if someone accepts Christ as their savior they are a Christian. Period. Regardless of how they choose to interpret the Scriptures.
 

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Of course he is not Christian. That was only used so he could get the Democratic nomination.

If he gets into office his true Islamic roots will come out.
 

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"If Obama was truly a Christian, he wouldn't believe that there are many paths to the same place."

I guess I'm not a Christian. Who knew?
 
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How about "Judge not lest ye be judged". You and I may believe that those who don't accept Christ as their savior aren't getting to heaven, but I know that only the Father makes that judgment.

My point is, if someone accepts Christ as their savior they are a Christian. Period. Regardless of how they choose to interpret the Scriptures.

But the original post is making the point that while
Obama claims to be a follower of Christ, he apparently believes there are
non-Christ ways to heaven (Muslim, Animists...) - which is diametrically opposed to Christ's words, and orthodox Christian teachings through
the centuries.
 

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Yahshua never lived without nor taught to break the law, the Torah, for example he celebrated the sabbath on saturday...what a concept.

the true messianics were the ebionites who did not incorporate any pagan beliefs.

They followed "the way"...by emulating yahshua not by worshipping a corpse and pretending belief in him alone was the road to salvation.

They did not follow Paul either.

Food for thought
 

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Of course he is not Christian. That was only used so he could get the Democratic nomination.

If he gets into office his true Islamic roots will come out.


Apparently the Obamas of Kenya have no doubt -- contrary to the claims of the Obama campaign, that the presidential candidate was raised a Moslem. They take that as a given.
As the Jerusalem Post reports, "Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background. In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya."

It's amazing that the radicals in this country accept him as a christian. Its either that or they don't care. Obama's father & step-father were Muslims and his mother adhered to no religion so if you connect the dots Obama if introduced to any religion at all it was Islam. He wasn't baptized in the Christian church until he was 28 or 29. and it was Reverend Wright's church of Black Liberation Theology which is almost as much against Western values as Islam.
Islam is.
 
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Apparently the Obamas of Kenya have no doubt -- contrary to the claims of the Obama campaign, that the presidential candidate was raised a Moslem. They take that as a given.
As the Jerusalem Post reports, "Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background. In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya."

It's amazing that the radicals in this country accept him as a christian. Its either that or they don't care. Obama's father & step-father were Muslims and his mother adhered to no religion so if you connect the dots Obama if introduced to any religion at all it was Islam. He wasn't baptized in the Christian church until he was 28 or 29. and it was Reverend Wright's church of Black Liberation Theology which is almost as much against Western values as Islam.
Islam is.

There is some controversy about that exact quote:

<table width="426" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="largeorangeheader" valign="top">Malik Obama says Israel shouldn't worry about Barack's Muslim "connection"</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="smallgreytext">By Israel Insider staff June 20, 2008</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="darkgreytextsmall">
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="greytext" valign="top">Malik holds a photo of Obama and him in Muslim dress, reportedly when the two first met in 1985</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="V12blackline" valign="top"> This article updates and corrects the one previously published on June 13, 2008 with newly uncovered evidence of the audio recording at the center of the controversy.

Apparently the Jerusalem's Post's sloppy paraphrase of a radio interview with Barack Obama's half-brother created the false impression that he had explicitly confirmed the "Muslim background" of the likely Democratic Presidential nominee. The newly uncovered recording presents more ambiguous evidence.

The Jerusalem Post reported on June 12 that "Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background. In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya." The link above is from Google's cache of the Post, but the article has since been pulled from its live website. Israel Insider had relied on that quote as confirmation that Malik himself had spoken explicitly about Barack's Muslim background.

ABC News obtained from Israel Army Radio a recording of (only) Malik's side of the interview, and the unavailability to date of the interviewer's side of the conversation injects some uncertainty about the references of his answers. Malik says, in response to the interviewer's question: "I don't think that's in any way going to be something to worry about. I myself am not speaking for him. But we are here, we love people in general. People love us. I myself love people who love me. You know, so, everything's mutual. I can't go [sic] in terms of Israel and Kenya and America, and so forth, you know, but based on what else I've heard him say and what I know of him as an individual, I don't think Israel should worry too much, you know, about the connection. Because, I am a Muslim myself, and I don't think that my being a Muslim has got anything to do with my brother being the President of the United States."

The context clearly indicates that "the connection" being asked about had something to do with Barack Obama's relationship to things Muslim -- although without hearing the question, it is uncertain what exactly is the connect. Malik answering "because I am a Muslim myself" might imply that Barack, in his mind, is a Muslim too, but on the other hand Malik asserts that "my being a Muslim" did not have "anything to do" with his half-brother being President [sic]." (Presumably Malik meant that their shared heritage would not impact Barack's actions should he be elected.) The rambling and genial answers do not prove, nor disprove, the depth of the Obamas' connections, past or present, with Islam -- except of course the undenied fact that their common father was a Muslim convert. (By the laws of Islam that makes Barack Obama a Muslim.)

Jake Tapper, ABC News senior national correspondent, commenting on the recording in his blog, observes that "nowhere in there does Malik expressly say anything about Obama having a Muslim background. And nowhere does he 'confirm' anything about Obama having a Muslim background. Malik refers to Obama having a 'connection' to something, perhaps Islam, which could clearly be a reference to Obama's father."

The Obama brothers' father, a senior economist for the Kenyan government who studied at Harvard University, died in car crash in 1982. He left six sons and a daughter. All of his children - except Malik -- live in Britain or the United States. Malik and Barack met in 1985 in the US. "He was best man at my wedding and I was best man at his," said Malik in a 2004 interview with an AP reporter. Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said."

In a denial issued last November that still stands on the official campaign website, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs issued a statement explaining that "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

Melanie Phillips is the most recent commentator to draw attention to the massive body of evidence that leaves no doubt that Barak Hussein Obama was born a Muslim (Islam is patrilineal) and raised a Muslim (so registered in school, acknowledging attending Islamic classes, reported accompanying his step-father to the mosque, and able to recite the Koran in the original Arabic).

Reuven Koret, Aaron Klein and Daniel Pipes have previously pointed to the attempts by Obama and his campaign to conceal the candidate's Muslim background. The well documented evidence draws upon the on-the-ground interviews by researchers in Indonesia and Kenya, published quotations of Obama's childhood friends and his school records, as well as the candidate's own autobiography. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="V12blackline" valign="top">
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Jews and Christians have a basic difference in that Christians generally believe Jesus was the Son of God where as the Jews thought he was just another person.


Isaiah 9:6; “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


You really can't blame the Jews for thinking this way (Jesus just another person). They had old testy teachings and priests telling them that this King would come and their enemies would be taken care of, the Jews probably were expecting more of a military type king.

Must have been quit a shock to the Jews that his diapers stunk just as bad as every other kid and he didn't have iron fists.

It'll be interesting to see how God sorts this out in the end.

Graciously, I'm sure.
 

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its true

there are just as many OT verses that would suggest he wasn't the messiah as there are those that messianics (christians) quote as to prove he was.

He would restore the Temple, be a political king, etc. The temple was actually destroyed shortly after chrsits death

Christian and Jewish Zionists alike have plans to rebuild the temple.

First they need that pesky dome built 700 years after christ destroyed.

Maybe Iran will do it:think2:

IMHO the messiah jews await and christians await to return are one and the same
 

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But the original post is making the point that while
Obama claims to be a follower of Christ, he apparently believes there are
non-Christ ways to heaven (Muslim, Animists...) - which is diametrically opposed to Christ's words, and orthodox Christian teachings through
the centuries.

From Mark 10:


17 ¶ And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none <sup>a</sup>good but one, that is, God.

19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit <sup>a</sup>adultery, Do not <sup>b</sup>kill, Do not <sup>c</sup>steal, Do not bear false witness, <sup>d</sup>Defraud not, <sup>e</sup>Honour thy father and mother.

20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and <sup>a</sup>give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and <sup>b</sup>follow me.



These passages can certainly be interpreted to mean that by following the Ten Commandments and giving to the poor one "shalt have treasure in heaven", and that following Jesus will confirm this commitment.
 

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