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What is going on with BetPanAm? Find out by reading Wild Bill's latest article which can be found on the RX home page at www.theprescription.com.
Also on the home page, check out Shrink's story on the leaving of the lead oddsmaker at CRIS.

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People at betpanam are liars and they are not very good at it. Scotty is gone be gone after the super bowl, he already has found a good reason:

[q]Originally posted by: betpanam<br>Thanks for the kind words Major. Just to clarify I am not leaving. I will be taking a leave for the birth of my child in March. Want to bring my new family to the staes and marry my girlfriend. So may take a few months off to do that.
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The short answer: Sounds to me like someone (or maybe more than one) pushed the panic button to soon. 4 months in business is not near enough time to judge wether or not a book will succeed. Granted a change in operating tactics may be called for, but a total bail is asking for big trouble. BetPanAm's operatiting model has already been discussed, its time to see if whoever is left on board, can right this listing ship. I for one hope so.


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BetPanam says everything is ok... I hope so...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Dear Ivan,
Our funding should be completed tomorrow or Wednesday, so you could
expect all accounts to be paid in full on or before Thursday.
I appologize for the delay....Marty
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Could someone (besides Ivan) come up with a good reason why Marty would be e-mailing Ivan directly even before the board hears back from Scotty?
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Unless, of course, Marty didn't e-mail Ivan...
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> why Marty would be e-mailing Ivan directly even before the board hears back from Scotty? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am BUDDIES w/ BetPanam...
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or so I see it that way...
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SunDevil:
Could someone (besides Ivan) come up with a good reason ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
 

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Bill Walker from Panam could be of help. He's worked with me.
 

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Maybe it was the same investors that were in PTS!!!
Like the wild man says, who knows.
 

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What I am wondering is how many people are still playing with them oblivious to what is going on? Gotta figure there are some. Even more interesting would be what is the mindset of those with balances there. Is anyone just gambling it up figuring if they lose no big deal?

I have to say it is important to note they haven't put up any "interesting" numbers like past failures so it does make me feel somewhat positive that they aren't going out. Not certain for sure, but if you were certain you couldn't make it past the Superbowl, why not offer up some really juicy lines all week before the game? You would have no way to lose, either you win and improve your financial situation enough to continue or you lose and declare you are out of business as many are now expecting. They are putting up middle of the road numbers for shorter limits, a good sign IMO. Certainly isn't a good spot for the bettors, but neither was the other messes that the industry has seen in just the last 6 months.
 

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I just read in two forums that all players will be paid.Look ac**** the street and at peeps......
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What I am wondering is how many people are still playing with them oblivious to what is going on? Gotta figure there are some. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bill I would not think its a high number...MANY MANY read this forum and other forums
 

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Jersey,

What's peep's site? Couldn't find much of substance ac**** the street.
 
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Sun, I think P**ps is a banned word here (as is anyhing CONTAINING the word (R-O-S-S).....

I gave you the jist of the story that is being told, and I tend to believe it.

If I'm getting taken for a ride, a lot of people with a LOT of money there are getting taken for the same ride.

I can certainly understand you looking for some hard info to grasp, but there isn't any out there now.

If this place folds & runs, I'm doing the same on this industry--just because I will know who went down with this ship.

I do NOT expect that to happen.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Sounds to me like someone (or maybe more than one) pushed the panic button to soon. 4 months in business is not near enough time to judge wether or not a book will succeed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think that you have a number of "investors" in off-shore books who have a very unrealistic idea of what it's like to be in business. They get sold on off-shore bookmaking as a cash grab.

Everything goes fine for a few months as new money is streaming in. The people running these books can't even spell the phrase "fiduciary responsibility" as in segregating and protecting customer funds. So, for awhile everyone is dipping into the till. Payroll, expenses etc., items that should be paid out of investor capital, are paid with post up money.

Soon, the new post up isn't enough to pay expenses, profit rips, and lastly (lest I forget), winners. So, the book managers have a "conference" with investors. Of course they have to explain why the profit checks aren't coming anymore. The big decision is do we throw good money after bad? Do we put more capital in place to pay off customers or do we walk away? After all, at this point, most of the losses (maybe all of them) have been borne by the customers. We're really not out much yet. Well, while we decide, freeze the remaining customer monies just in case.

So, in the end, the investors get most if not all of their money back. The tout services have been paid all along and move on to tout another start-up. The book employees move on to another book. A few customers get disgusted and quit betting, but they are replaced by new ones. After all, it's a growth industry.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie Maxwell:
What is going on with BetPanAm? Find out by reading Wild Bill's latest article
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Please don't sell this article as 'information'. It is essentially useless speculation by someone who can't or won't do any journalistic legwork. Look at the phrasing throughout:

-From what has been said
-most people
-I am thinking there could be
-I will make it very clear that I don’t have a source
-The people that backed this book probably
-One that probably was bullish
-makes me guess that
-It appears to be
-I am guessing that
-maybe I am completely off-base with this speculation
-I think it is quite possible
-maybe there should be

Whether PanAm sinks or swims, this is not a useful article in my book.
 

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This was not a journalistic piece, it was an op-ed piece speculating on something. I said it with fair warning I am not on the inside. I don't have any inside contacts with Panam and lets face it most people there couldn't tell you what was going on. I just wrote this to make the point that ownership could be a wildcard, one we generally don't pay attention to. If you want specific news on what happens with Panam there are better sources than me, but I didn't think anyone was asking this particular question so I wrote about it.
 

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