Here is our take
Part One
Here we will address the article written by SBR.
Preface
It is very common in <st1><st1:country-region w:st="on">Costa Rica</st1:country-region></st1> for more than one book to operate inside the same building but in separate offices.
In this environment, the different businesses share an infrastructure of Internet, Electricity, Generators, VOIP etc.
An example might be a medical building whose tenants are Doctors with private practices.
Another common practice is for the landlord of the building is to provide a ‘Turn Key’ solution for the tenants.
In these scenarios, it is common that one or more of the businesses may fail. The failure of one business does not affect the prosperity of the other businesses in the building.
With all due respect to SBR, there is also the scenario outlined above wherein any number of companies are actually under one ownership.
When one of the companies fails or earns a bad reputation, the owner simply moves his customers to any one of the other companies.
The Internet makes this practice even easier because all the failed company needs to do is set up a different web site and poof you have a new business.
Much credit is given to SBR for their efforts over the years to search out and identify scam and/or financially insecure books.
For those that don’t know, SBR actually has an office in<st1> <st1:city w:st="on">Escazu</st1:city>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Costa Rica</st1:country-region></st1> and are able to make personal visits to the physical locations of the companies.
We had made plans to visit the offices of BetFirstClass today, Wednesday. But after reading the article by SBR (below) we made our visit yesterday afternoon.
SBR Article
BetFirstClass Warning
The unrated sportsbook is one of 11 betting websites on its platform. They share the same IP address. Nine of those sites are registered under a proxy service. The other two, NetBet777.com and BetDragon.net have the same whois registration as one of the biggest bookmaker thieves in 2008, Atlantisbets (SBR rating F). The new sportsbook, which has started an advertising campaign with at least one forum website, has copied the about us page and terms of service from SBG Global (SBR rating D-). SBG customer service states they are unrelated to BFC. BFC uses an unknown brand of software, also used by BetCascade (SBR rating F). SBR will ask FirstClass management to comment before initiating rating coverage.
I will try to break down the SBR article piece by piece in an effort to demonstrate our findings.
The unrated sportsbook is one of 11 betting websites on its platform.
Not sure what they are referring to here so no comment. Maybe SBR can elaborate.
They share the same IP address.
We have been able to verify that NetBet777, BetDragon, AtlantisBets and BetFirstClass all share the same IP address.
So of course, BFC must be tied in with these scam artists right? WRONG….
The fact is, that the IP address in question is 208.69.59.125. Type this IP into your browser and you will see the following on your screen.
NO SITE PLEASE CHECK URL AND TRY AGAIN
So Who Is 208.69.59.125? The answer is simple: It is the IP address of a hosting company in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1>Canada</st1></st1:country-region>. Their URL is http://www.cirrushosting.com/toronto...ng-canada.html
This Company provides hosting solutions in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region> much the same way www.GoDaddy.com does in the<st1><st1:country-region w:st="on"> United States</st1:country-region></st1>.
We also found that the DNS or Domain Servers for the websites of NetBet777, BetDragon, AtlantisBets are all the same.
Name Server NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM<o></o>
Name Server NS9.ZONEEDIT.COM
Guess What? The DNS or Domain Servers for BetFirstClass are totally different.<o></o>
Name Server NS1.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM<o></o>
Name Server NS2.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM
Nine of those sites are registered under a proxy service.
NONE of the Nine sites referred to are BetFirstClass.
The other two, NetBet777.com and BetDragon.net have the same whois registration as one of the biggest bookmaker thieves in 2008, Atlantisbets (SBR rating F).
We found this to be correct.
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION DBA NAMESERVICES.NET<o></o>
Registrant Contact<o>
</o>Name Erick De La <st1>Rosa</st1><o></o>
Address Avenida Fidel Castro 34 #2<o></o>
<st1><st1:city w:st="on">Ciudad de la Costa</st1:city>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Cuba</st1:country-region></st1> 00998 <o></o>
UY<o></o>
<o></o>Email Address idonotgamble@hotmail.com<o></o>
Phone Number (511)565-4552622<o></o>
WHAT DOES THIS have to with BetFirstClass?
Their registration information it totally different.
Registrar DOMAINDISCOVER
Registrant Contact<o></o>
betfirstclass.com<o></o>
c/o Whois Privacy Service<o></o>
<st1></st1><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:street w:st="on">BOX</st1:street> 501610</st1:address><o></o>
<st1><st1:city w:st="on">San Diego</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">CA</st1:state> <st1></st1></st1><o></o>
US<o></o>
<o>
</o>BFC uses an unknown brand of software, also used by BetCascade (SBR rating F).
Said software is also used by some very successful books as well. Is SBR suggesting that BetFirstClass is BetCascade?
In fact, BFC is Not Cascade.
SBR will ask FirstClass management to comment before initiating rating coverage.Looks to me like SBR has already initiated rating coverage prior to contacting BetFirstClass management.
Of Note, Mr. M of BetFirstClass has contacted SBR and requested that SBR make a personal visit to the BFC office.
My understanding is that SBR refused to visit and is refusing to correct the article they wrote.
Yesterday when we drove to the BFC office building, we passed the office of SBR on the way. Interesting concept.
In closing
It is our opinion that the article written by SBR lacks correct information concerning BetFirstClass.
Was this intentional or just a lack of reliable research?
I will post Part two when completed later today.
It will cover our meeting with BFC and what we learned.
Part One
Here we will address the article written by SBR.
Preface
It is very common in <st1><st1:country-region w:st="on">Costa Rica</st1:country-region></st1> for more than one book to operate inside the same building but in separate offices.
In this environment, the different businesses share an infrastructure of Internet, Electricity, Generators, VOIP etc.
An example might be a medical building whose tenants are Doctors with private practices.
Another common practice is for the landlord of the building is to provide a ‘Turn Key’ solution for the tenants.
In these scenarios, it is common that one or more of the businesses may fail. The failure of one business does not affect the prosperity of the other businesses in the building.
With all due respect to SBR, there is also the scenario outlined above wherein any number of companies are actually under one ownership.
When one of the companies fails or earns a bad reputation, the owner simply moves his customers to any one of the other companies.
The Internet makes this practice even easier because all the failed company needs to do is set up a different web site and poof you have a new business.
Much credit is given to SBR for their efforts over the years to search out and identify scam and/or financially insecure books.
For those that don’t know, SBR actually has an office in<st1> <st1:city w:st="on">Escazu</st1:city>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Costa Rica</st1:country-region></st1> and are able to make personal visits to the physical locations of the companies.
We had made plans to visit the offices of BetFirstClass today, Wednesday. But after reading the article by SBR (below) we made our visit yesterday afternoon.
SBR Article
BetFirstClass Warning
The unrated sportsbook is one of 11 betting websites on its platform. They share the same IP address. Nine of those sites are registered under a proxy service. The other two, NetBet777.com and BetDragon.net have the same whois registration as one of the biggest bookmaker thieves in 2008, Atlantisbets (SBR rating F). The new sportsbook, which has started an advertising campaign with at least one forum website, has copied the about us page and terms of service from SBG Global (SBR rating D-). SBG customer service states they are unrelated to BFC. BFC uses an unknown brand of software, also used by BetCascade (SBR rating F). SBR will ask FirstClass management to comment before initiating rating coverage.
I will try to break down the SBR article piece by piece in an effort to demonstrate our findings.
The unrated sportsbook is one of 11 betting websites on its platform.
Not sure what they are referring to here so no comment. Maybe SBR can elaborate.
They share the same IP address.
We have been able to verify that NetBet777, BetDragon, AtlantisBets and BetFirstClass all share the same IP address.
So of course, BFC must be tied in with these scam artists right? WRONG….
The fact is, that the IP address in question is 208.69.59.125. Type this IP into your browser and you will see the following on your screen.
NO SITE PLEASE CHECK URL AND TRY AGAIN
So Who Is 208.69.59.125? The answer is simple: It is the IP address of a hosting company in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1>Canada</st1></st1:country-region>. Their URL is http://www.cirrushosting.com/toronto...ng-canada.html
This Company provides hosting solutions in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region> much the same way www.GoDaddy.com does in the<st1><st1:country-region w:st="on"> United States</st1:country-region></st1>.
We also found that the DNS or Domain Servers for the websites of NetBet777, BetDragon, AtlantisBets are all the same.
Name Server NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM<o></o>
Name Server NS9.ZONEEDIT.COM
Guess What? The DNS or Domain Servers for BetFirstClass are totally different.<o></o>
Name Server NS1.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM<o></o>
Name Server NS2.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM
Nine of those sites are registered under a proxy service.
NONE of the Nine sites referred to are BetFirstClass.
The other two, NetBet777.com and BetDragon.net have the same whois registration as one of the biggest bookmaker thieves in 2008, Atlantisbets (SBR rating F).
We found this to be correct.
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION DBA NAMESERVICES.NET<o></o>
Registrant Contact<o>
</o>Name Erick De La <st1>Rosa</st1><o></o>
Address Avenida Fidel Castro 34 #2<o></o>
<st1><st1:city w:st="on">Ciudad de la Costa</st1:city>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Cuba</st1:country-region></st1> 00998 <o></o>
UY<o></o>
<o></o>Email Address idonotgamble@hotmail.com<o></o>
Phone Number (511)565-4552622<o></o>
WHAT DOES THIS have to with BetFirstClass?
Their registration information it totally different.
Registrar DOMAINDISCOVER
Registrant Contact<o></o>
betfirstclass.com<o></o>
c/o Whois Privacy Service<o></o>
<st1></st1><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:street w:st="on">BOX</st1:street> 501610</st1:address><o></o>
<st1><st1:city w:st="on">San Diego</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">CA</st1:state> <st1></st1></st1><o></o>
US<o></o>
<o>
</o>BFC uses an unknown brand of software, also used by BetCascade (SBR rating F).
Said software is also used by some very successful books as well. Is SBR suggesting that BetFirstClass is BetCascade?
In fact, BFC is Not Cascade.
SBR will ask FirstClass management to comment before initiating rating coverage.Looks to me like SBR has already initiated rating coverage prior to contacting BetFirstClass management.
Of Note, Mr. M of BetFirstClass has contacted SBR and requested that SBR make a personal visit to the BFC office.
My understanding is that SBR refused to visit and is refusing to correct the article they wrote.
Yesterday when we drove to the BFC office building, we passed the office of SBR on the way. Interesting concept.
In closing
It is our opinion that the article written by SBR lacks correct information concerning BetFirstClass.
Was this intentional or just a lack of reliable research?
I will post Part two when completed later today.
It will cover our meeting with BFC and what we learned.
Well all I was saying in starting this thread was if Shrink is pumping this book it looks suspect,only because reading the thread over there seems like the rat is being chased by all the cats in the house it really is fun to read........I guess
Now this Micheal guy to me sounds in his demeanor just like the SBG Global Rat that puffs his chest out and fights back with his dis tractors like some wanna be mafia thug and is very unbecoming of a offshore owner/operator/ceo or what ever and no wonder he's sleeping with dogs like Shrink who acts more like his paid puppets then a site administrator.
Now this Micheal guy to me sounds in his demeanor just like the SBG Global Rat that puffs his chest out and fights back with his dis tractors like some wanna be mafia thug and is very unbecoming of a offshore owner/operator/ceo or what ever and no wonder he's sleeping with dogs like Shrink who acts more like his paid puppets then a site administrator.
How about this ?
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Newly launched online sportsbook BetFirstClass (betfirstclass.com) enters TheOnlinewire Sportsbook Rating Guide with a rating of 3 (high risk). Allegedly the offspring of an established credit operation, BetFirstClass debut was marked by several warning signs.
The domain name is set to expire one year from today, a common denominator among fly-by-night operators.
Most of the website's text content such as general rules and other segments are copy/pasted from reputable sportsbook operators. This happens to be another common element to deposit only operators.
Last, but not least, BetFirstClass shares technical facilities such as web platform, IP address and wagering software currently utilized by stiff operators.
Albeit still unable to verify BetFirstClass' management claims, TheOnlinewire believes the numerous warning signs are more than sufficient to prompt an initial warning about this operator.
Players are strongly advised to tread with extreme caution at best. With many reputable options out there players are certainly better off avoiding BetFirstClass altogether.
TOW Ratings - Published August 27 2008 - 6.15am ET
hno:
now that is sarcasm:cripwalk:
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ope:I know they lost a bet to Choptalk ( I think it was), that lead to that posting. I don't need a lines service, but I did speak with their guy (Don) about payment for a contest I won that they sponsored, he was Cool to talk with.
The lines services are meaningless to me with no Neteller, and troubles funding any account, plus there are only a few books I'd want to even be at these days.
