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This line is 6.5 or 7 depending hwere you look, seems like a ton for a preseason game. Don't really care that Carson is out, I'm making this a small play and I never bet preseason. Nobody should be 6.5 over anyone in these games. Especially since Pats don't have a QB controversy or anything..

Whats with this line?
 

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Decent point Muddy. You should probably bet against the Pats pretty heavy cause of that analysis...

Its 7 on my site now and 6.5 or 7 everywhere else, thats just nuts for an exhibition game...
 

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I wouldn't say it is "nuts" at all. That's what happens when you have the largest lined favs of the past 2 seasons (the Pats).

No team was favored more times the last 2 seasons than the Pats, being made the underdog just twice in 32 regular season games (6%), and no team was favored by an average of more points than the Pats.

Their average line in all games that they were favored the last 2 seasons, which includes those without Brady, and includes all road favored games, was -10.3 point favorites! Now THAT is "nuts".

So what do you expect when you've got a coach who wants his starting QB airing it out to work himself back into the game, a coach who is notorious for running up the score if he pleases, vs a team who was 4-11-1 SU last year and has their best player and QB in a walking boot on Monday?

FYI, since 95 I count 78 games where a team was favored by 6.5 or more points in the preseason, and I see some games go up as far as 10 point favs in the late 90s. So 6.5 to 7 in this situation is nothing I would not expect to see from Vegas...
 

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keep in mind this is brady's first game back in gillette
and he played well last week, if he plays a half again they prob will be up around two scores at halftime
 

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Cincy is a young team looking to get some confidence, I tihnk they'll play their D a good amount vs NE and try to test themselves vs the Pats. I really don't see Brady playing more than maybe a quarter...I could see it in the 3rd preseason game when people play more and I wouldn't be surprised if thats what a lot of your 6.5-7s were.

Just curious, any idea how many of those games were the 3rd preseason game? Also, what was the ATS record of those games this decade?
 

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Cincy is a young team looking to get some confidence, I tihnk they'll play their D a good amount vs NE and try to test themselves vs the Pats. I really don't see Brady playing more than maybe a quarter...I could see it in the 3rd preseason game when people play more and I wouldn't be surprised if thats what a lot of your 6.5-7s were.

Just curious, any idea how many of those games were the 3rd preseason game? Also, what was the ATS record of those games this decade?

40 of the 78 were within the first 20 days of August. Which actually excludes many Week 2 games, but I chose that cutoff to show that over half are actually in the first 1 to 2 weeks of the preseason, and it may be higher yet.

And of those 40, actually 20 are within the first 13 days of August (8/20 - 7 days). Which would be Week 1. So it seems like a pretty even distribution since 95, about 20 games per "preseason week" have been lined that high.

The favorites went 15-25 (37.5%) ATS in the sampling of games no later than August 20th.

Also, playing your starting D vs the Pats is fine and well, but when you've got JT O'Sullivan and Jordan Palmer as your only QBs throwing a pass in Week 1, your D may be put in some compromising situations, starters or not.

JT played about 1 full quarter, and Jordan played the entire 2nd half vs. the Saints backups last week. He had exactly 4 first downs all half, on a total of 5 drives, and three of his drives were 3-and-out. He had 3 FDs on his last drive against presumably the worst of the worst left in the game.

Not advocating anything, just giving you some info.
 

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Thanks, I know the sample is small but that 15-25 looks pretty good. I mean these games are such garbage its tough to give anyone a TD edge I think. I realize JPalmer is terrible but i think JTO probably gets a full half and Chris Henry is basically Randy Moss vs backups.

Also, I think this is kindof an underrated angle...Mark Bulger is out week 3 vs Cincy in all likelihood so that game will be a joke, wouldn't Cincy rather test themselves this week vs NE and get some confidence since the Rams game will be so useless?

Thanks for the info AI, obviously it is preseason and its tough to cap it too much which is why I said in the original post all only make it a small play. We'll see what happens...

You seem like a pretty knowledgeable guy, like anything week 1 NFL?
 

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I am a huge pats fan, I think they will want to show their home fans that Brady is back in the first half, they might be up by 14-21 points by half time. But the 2nd half could be a joke. I think I am going to either bet the over or just take the pats the first half.
 

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40 of the 78 were within the first 20 days of August. Which actually excludes many Week 2 games, but I chose that cutoff to show that over half are actually in the first 1 to 2 weeks of the preseason, and it may be higher yet.

And of those 40, actually 20 are within the first 13 days of August (8/20 - 7 days). Which would be Week 1. So it seems like a pretty even distribution since 95, about 20 games per "preseason week" have been lined that high.

The favorites went 15-25 (37.5%) ATS in the sampling of games no later than August 20th.

Also, playing your starting D vs the Pats is fine and well, but when you've got JT O'Sullivan and Jordan Palmer as your only QBs throwing a pass in Week 1, your D may be put in some compromising situations, starters or not.

JT played about 1 full quarter, and Jordan played the entire 2nd half vs. the Saints backups last week. He had exactly 4 first downs all half, on a total of 5 drives, and three of his drives were 3-and-out. He had 3 FDs on his last drive against presumably the worst of the worst left in the game.

Not advocating anything, just giving you some info.



curious as to where you got this info? i went through the sports insights archives (they go through the start of the '04 preseason) and found that only 14 preseason games had closing lines of 6 1/2 or higher. there were a few games where the spread opened at 7 and then dropped a point or two. in the games where the spread closed at 6 1/2 or higher the faves were 6-8.
 

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curious as to where you got this info? i went through the sports insights archives (they go through the start of the '04 preseason) and found that only 14 preseason games had closing lines of 6 1/2 or higher. there were a few games where the spread opened at 7 and then dropped a point or two. in the games where the spread clsed at 6 1/2 or higher the faves were 6-8.

I have preseason stats all the way back to the early 80s. You are correct, many of the games are beyond 04.
 

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I would NEVER lay 7 in a preseason game.. the Pats sent a message to the Eagles and the NFL in the first half of the first game by dominating in most facets with Brady playing an entire half, yet they still almost lost after playing Andrew Walter and defensive backups the entire second half. To lay a TD in a preseason game is really pushing it IMO might as well wait til the regular season for those kinds of plays
 

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Mid, if you are saying it is pushing it, then aren't you saying you like the other side?
 

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I dont necessarily like the Bungles especially with Carson Palmer likely not playing.. I hardly ever play preseason so its really tough to say if I like a particular side, but would never lay more than a TD from what I have seen
 

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