Battle for Faluja...the play by play

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All right folks, here's an update on the situation in Fallujah (map here, here, more maps and imagery here):

US ORDER OF BATTLE

The Black Watch and 1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards are moving from their relatively quiet neighborhood in southern Iraq to the outskirts of western Baghdad. This will allow the I Marine Expeditionary Force's 1st Marine Division, which is based in Al-Anbar province to shift an extra battalion to the Fallujah/Ramadi area, probably to use as a tactical reserve. My guess is that the attack will be prosecuted by the 1st Marine Regiment, with appropriate attachments, supported by CSSB-1 and given air support by at least a full Marine Air Group.

The forces that go in will be based in the MEK Training Camp, or Al Taqaddum Airbase (note: this is all publicly available information).

I think it is safe to guess that it will take the British forces about a week to get settled into their new area of operations. They should take at least a week to get to know the area with the Marines they are relieving. For a permanent relief, two-four weeks would be more accurate, but I think the shift of British troops is a temporary move -- maybe for six weeks tops for the course of the battle and the cleanup.

In addition to 1st Marines, the order of battle will include at least a 3:2 ratio of US to Iraqi forces (same as Samarra): I estimate this at around 2000 to 3000 Marines on the ground, with 1300-2000 Iraqi forces attached to the regiment.

Globalstrategy.org is also reporting that around 1000 members of the Army's 10th Special Forces Group have recently been deployed from Colorado, with no mention of where they are going.

The article states that the only two possible destinations for these Green Berets are: to find Osama bin Laden, or to reinforce Marine units preparing to assault Fallujah. I don't think they are going to the Paki-Afghani border. Not only do I think that Osama is most likely dead (why haven't we heard from him in 2 and 1/2 years?), but I also think that in the estimation of the Pentagon and the Bush administration, events on the ground in Iraq, especially those involving Zarqwai, are a greater threat to US stratgey than is the finding of Osama at this particular moment.

Would Green Berets be helpful with Marines? Not so sure about this one. Usually you would want to train for a good bit together before adding them to the mix, so you could be sure that your techniques and theirs are mutually understandable. This would not be the case though, if the ODA teams are going to be given a very specific mission, like manhunts, or lasing targets, or using the their language skills in a civil-affairs role after the fight. Or you could give them a particular part of the battlespace, like a certain neighborhood or area where their skills might work best. Another idea: let's assume that the US has VERY GOOD ground intelligence on the locations and activities of the insurgent forces. This is a safe assumption given the time put in to developing and working with Iraqi National Forces, and because of the number of successful precision airstrikes that we've pulled off lately. The thing that could make those intelligence sources really sing in a productive manner, and decrease our decision cycle greatly, would be to link them up with US forces that speak Arabic and have expertise in targeting and urban pursuit. My overall opinion: if you see 1000 Green Berets show up in Fallujah, the reason they will be there is their Arabic skills, only a few dozen will participate in the fight, and the rest will roll in during the aftermath for intelligence exploitation. One thousand is a TON of Green Berets though. A thousand would normally be employed over a very large area. You just don't mass those troops on the battlefield. But this campaign has seen stranger things . . . another way to employ a large number would be if they were going to integrate with Iraqi National Forces for the battle. But again, you don't do this without some extensive training together. At this point in the game, whoever has been training the Iraqis and working with them is going to continue to do so. They're not going to bring in any pinch-hitters here in the ninth inning.

THE BARBARIAN ORDER OF BATTLE

What is the troop strength of the insurgents in Fallujah? Estimates range from 1000-8000. Does Zarqawi remain in Fallujah? I bet that he is there. After spending months -- actually a year or more -- building a base of support there, it is unlikely that he could replicate anywhere else the command and control that he has built for himself in Fallujah. Plus, his departure would be very demoralizing to those who remain there (though of course, they may not know his whereabouts themselves). Overall, hard to tell how many bad guys are in Fallujah, but the good news is that the place has been surrounded and cordoned off for a couple of weeks now, and it's a good guess that anyone left inside is only there to fight. A cleaner, less confusing battlefield is good for us and bad for them. Also, if Zarqawi hasn't left yet, he ain't getting out now.

THE LENGTH OF THE BATTLE AND CASUALTIES

The downside to having cordoned off the city and given the Iraqis an ultimatum is that it gives them plenty of time to prepare for our assault. If they are truly skilled, they can plan an intricate defense-in-depth, fighting to the very last man, booby-trapping the city, clearing fields of fire, setting up minefields etc. This will make things a little more difficult for us, but not much. We know how to deal with such defenses -- just will make things drag a little more. And the aerial intelligence on a detailed level that the US can gather from assets like the Predator UAVs cannot be discounted. More than likely we've also got a team or two of reconnaissance Marines sitting quietly on a rooftop during the day and watching everything like crazy at night.

The longer we wait to attack, the better the insurgent defenses get. The flip side is that the better our intelligence gets as well.

How long will the battle last? Robert D. Kaplan, the Atlantic Monthly columnist, was embedded with Marines in Fallujah during the April uprising. Only two battalions participated in that assault, and Kaplan estimates that they had taken 20% of the city in five days. How to guess here? Figure larger American force, plus a new Iraqi National Force, larger enemy force, much better intelligence for us. I think we can take the entire city in two weeks, three tops. For more of Kaplan's description of that battle, see the Atlantic's June/July issue (note; I think this is subscriber-only content).

NEGOTIATIONS WON'T WORK

Don't expect there to be a political settlement if you assume:
1. There are foreign fighters in some number in the city.
2. We cannot tolerate foreign fighters.
3. The Interim gov't must flex its muscles over the entire country, not just the majority of it.
4. The sheiks are not going to turn in the foreign fighters.
5. The foreign fighters aren't just going to pick up and go home.

Face it. The bad guys have coalesced in Fallujah and other similar places. Now we have to kick over the ant bed and kill whatever crawls out.

THE DECISIVE BATTLE OF THE IRAQ CAMPAIGN

Destroying the insurgency in Fallujah will be the second decisive battle of the entire Iraqi campaign. The first was in Baghdad in April of 2003. That signalled the end of Saddam's regime and the beginning of something completely new and different. Fallujah is not only the center of gravity of the entire insurgency, offering a source of refuge, capital, psychological motivation, munitions, and command and control to the anti-Iraqi insurgents, but it is also a psychological strong point in the Arab mind throughout the region. Check out the references to Fallujah in popular music, as mentioned in this Marine Corps Times article. Cleaning the place out will strike a very powerful blow that will reverberate throughout the region.

The attack will begin on or about November 3rd. Bush cannot afford a casualty spike before the election. But he also cannot wait any longer, whether he wins or not. There must be enough time before January for the battle to be completed, a new government installed in Fallujah, the psychological victory to be pursued in other cities, and intelligence found there to be acted upon. This battle will have an incredible impact on the legitimacy of the Iraqi government, the participation in elections, and the overall course of the entire Iraqi theater. As soon as the US election is over, look for the battle to begin.


UPDATE: Another successful strike.

UPDATE 2: WaPois reporting that both sides are digging in and expect to fight. (Side note: the photo in this story shows US trucks carrying supposedly British armor -- interesting -- Brits usually move themselves).
 
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This battle will end and then another hot spot will pop up ...

Pat Buchanon is 100% correct .... wake up the Neo-Cons and get our troops out of Iraq immediately ... this is a no win situation for the USA and Bush's "Bring em on" statement has certainly worked in driving terrorists into Iraq

This is a Muslim driven culture .. sorry, Western "values" is not something ya can shove down the Islam world and expect them to accept it because Bush wants to Democraticize this part of the world
 

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doc mercer said:
This battle will end and then another hot spot will pop up ...

Pat Buchanon is 100% correct .... wake up the Neo-Cons and get our troops out of Iraq immediately ... this is a no win situation for the USA and Bush's "Bring em on" statement has certainly worked in driving terrorists into Iraq

This is a Muslim driven culture .. sorry, Western "values" is not something ya can shove down the Islam world and expect them to accept it because Bush wants to Democraticize this part of the world

Doc, we heard the same thing about Germany and Japan after World War 2. Here's some information about the latest Iraqi poll:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/

" 63% of Iraqis say that the withdrawal of American and allied forces will not be in the best interest of Iraq, it will undermine the work towards security and control of the country. 27% say that it would be in the best interest of Iraq. 9% had no opinion.

58% say that terrorists do the kidnappings and assassination of police and soldiers. 9% say that patriots fighting for Iraq carry them out. 32% say ignorant Iraqis who have been brain washed & misled carry them out.

89% said that the terrorism, kidnapping, beheadings and assassination of police and security forces do not help the freeing of Iraq and the building of a stable country. 6% said that it would help free Iraq and build stability. 4% had no opinion.

Michael Moore, the intellectual leader of the Democratic Party, may believe that the terrorists are patriots and freedom fighters, but the Iraqi people clearly do not agree.

Haider also tells us that positive developments in Egypt, the most populous Arab country, are not being reported in America. The liberation of Iraq has had a profound effect on Egyptians, who are starting to campaign for freedom and democracy. By way of example, Haider sends us this translation of pat of a front-page article in the Egyptian newspaper, “Al Wafed," on October 27, titled: "The people of Egypt are screaming at the top of their lungs for a free government":

Soon after, the Egyptian government announced a realignment of the cabinet. The dream of a democratic Egypt returned to the masses. The cabinet of Dr. Adif Aubeid has introduced nothing new. The people lost hope in any progressive improvements in government. Nothing was left except to pray to god to rid them of this government. The people have suffered higher taxes, unemployment, and inflation. People are feeling like sheep, not citizens. Egyptians have rights, which need to be respected, have needs that need to be considered and have expectation of a more representative government.

"We have had enough of the old faces; we want a government: young, strong, and free, which represents the hopes of the people of Egypt, before the people explode in a volcano of anger."

There are many positive developments in Iraq, the Middle East and throughout the Arab world. Maybe we'll start hearing about them after the election."
 

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Killing swarthy civilians with multi billion dollar firepower sounds fun.

Is there any way we can get a satellite uplink via the internet to the military forces on the ground.
Then with a mouse-click we can fire off mortars and missiles at civilian areas for $1000 a round (paypal, visa and neteller accepted.)

Mad? well it kinda fits in with the whole crazy situation.
 

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interesting mention of those special forces - wonder where they are going? now that we know binladen is alive hopefully afer him.
 

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I served under the Brig. Gen (Hejlik) when he was a Lt. Col. and a battalion commander for a unit at Lejeune. I think he started out as an enlisted man in Vietnam. He has been a Marine for a long time. I hope and pray this battle will be the crushing blow to the insurgents and that politics will not hamper the efforts of the Marines there. Semper Fi.


U.S. gears up for major assault on Fallujah
By Edward Harris
The Associated Press


Friday, October 29, 2004 -

American forces are gearing up for a major operation in the insurgent bastion of Fallujah, where up to 5,000 Islamic militants, Saddam Hussein loyalists and common criminals are hunkered down, U.S. officers said today.

U.S. planners believe many of Fallujah's 300,000 residents have already fled the city, which has become the symbol of Iraqi resistance and where militants last spring ambushed and killed four American contractors, mutilated their bodies and hung them from a bridge.

American officials stress that the final order to launch a big operation would come from Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, who has warned Fallujah to hand over followers of terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi or face attack.

Allawi has issued no such order, but preparations are clearly under way, including the movement of British soldiers into areas close to Baghdad so that American forces can be redeployed for the showdown in Fallujah.

"We're gearing up to do an operation and when were told to go we'll go," Brig. Gen. Dennis Hejlik, deputy commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said at a camp near Fallujah. "When we do go, we'll whack them."

Meanwhile, Marines have been hitting Fallujah with frequent airstrikes. Marines have also launched probing attacks into Fallujah's outskirts to test insurgent defenses, Marine Col. Mike Shupp said.

Iraqi public outrage over reports of civilian casualties pressured the Marines into calling off their siege of Fallujah last April - a move which strengthened the insurgents' hold on the Sunni city 40 miles west of Baghdad and likely contributed to the dramatic deterioration of security in the capital itself.

The April siege came after the killing of the four U.S. contractors.

Today, a Sunni cleric in Baghdad, Sheik Mahdi al-Sumaidaei, warned the Americans and Iraqis against launching a full-scale attack on Fallujah. If they do, he said Sunni clerics in the capital will issue a fatwa, or a binding religious decree, ordering Muslims to launch street protests and a campaign of civil disobedience.

WAR IN IRAQ
Extras

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Click here to download key findings from the Oct. 6 report of the Iraq Survey Group, which was hunting for evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. (Note: You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader to open this file. It is available for free download at the Adobe website; click here.)


Click here for the latest AP headlines from Iraq and an assortment of interactive presentations.

Click here to search for military personnel killed in Iraq by name or region. This database from The Associated Press also includes information on captured or missing personnel.

Click here for CNN.com's searchable database on military personnel killed in Iraq, including U.S. and coalition forces.

Click here for the latest AP headlines from Iraq and an assortment of interactive presentations.

Click here for a variety of online-only resources providing background on the Iraq prisoner-abuse scandal, including an archive of stories, reports, testimony before Congress, photos and interactives.



"Everybody knows that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is another lie like the WMD," he told The Associated Press, referring to Saddam Hussein's supposed weapons of mass destruction.

Hardline clerics who rule Fallujah insist al-Zarqawi is not in the city - a claim disputed by U.S. and Iraqi officials.

U.S. forces plan to use U.S.-trained Iraqi forces - especially around Fallujah's many mosques - to avoid allegations that the attack is nothing more than a bid by the Americans to crush a city widely known in Iraq for religious piety.

"The difference this time is it's driven by the" interim Iraqi government, Hejlik said. "They're calling the shots." U.S. and Iraqi authorities want to curb the increasingly violent Sunni insurgency in order to hold nationwide elections.

Part of the Black Watch regiment arrived at the base near Baghdad, the British Defense Ministry said in London. The Americans asked the British to send troops to the area to free up U.S. forces for an assault on Sunni insurgents.

The rest of the 850-strong battle group from the Black Watch regiment were to arrive over the weekend, the ministry said. The base is 20 miles west of Mahmoudiya, a town that has seen frequent insurgent attacks, according to the report.

Al-Zarqawi's movement is responsible for numerous car bombings and beheadings of foreign hostages, including three Americans.

However, U.S. officials acknowledge that even if they kill or capture al-Zarqawi, the insurgency is likely to continue.

"Just if you chop off the head, Zarqawi, it won't stop the insurgency," said Maj. James West, a Marine intelligence officer.

Nevertheless, re-establishing control in Fallujah would cut vital links among insurgent groups and impact their ability to plan and carry out attacks, particularly in Baghdad.

"Baghdad is the heart of Iraq and this is the throat to Baghdad," West said.

He estimated that between 50,000 and 60,000 civilians remain in Fallujah, which had an estimated population between 250,000 and 300,0000.

Fallujah residents confirm that up to half the population left at the start of Ramadan this month although some have returned.

Shupp, the Marine colonel, said insurgents are fortifying positions and are blocking roads with cement barriers and cars.

Some Arab reporters who visited Fallujah in recent weeks say many neighborhoods on the edge of the city have been abandoned with only fighters remaining.
 

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Shotgun and Voltitan - Very good posts - objective and informative.
Ignore Doc and eek - they're a couple of anti-war, anti-American morons who hope for American failure.

Our troops are first rate and deserve kudos and congratulations for being the heroes that they are - my one question is what kind of forces will the Iraqis make?
 
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Guys:

Aint gonna work ... Democracy has to come from within and by thinking ya can shove Democracy down the Iraqis throats, it will not work and history has proven it time and time again

I pray for our soldiers ... I pray that America wakes up and delivers them a new Commander-in-Chief as the Cheney led administration just aint working
 

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Every civilian you blow to smithereens creates another family group with anti-american sentiments.

Your only real ally in the region is Israel, everyone and his budgie knows that.

The operation is a huge waste of money and a massive waste of lives.
 

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Its not rocket science. The Russkies have already tried.

Grozny is a pile of rubble, but there's a problem...

...It didn't change jack-chit.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/country_profiles/2357267.stm
 
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eek:

God bless ya .. a man of wisdom speaks!

This whole war in Iraq has been a waste of time, money and human life: nearly 10,000 Americans killed or injured and over 100,000 Iraqis civilians killed ...

I am disgusted with the fog Bush seems to be in regarding this adventure into Iraq ... I am more disgusted with the Bush backers that give folks crap for questioning the motives of this administration regarding this blundered military manuever into Iraq .. to hear Anne Coulter scream out that someone is a Traitor or that Dems are too afraid to fight a war is one of many reasons I will vote Kerry come Tuesday
 

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