BARRY--10 for 16 with four homers this spring!

[WCBias]

He was the greatest player before 97 ...?????

His stats before and after he started injecting the Juice are dramatic ..

Plain and simple ... Bonds cheated and he knows it, the other players know it and the public knows it

This would like the sport of golf finding out that Woods won all his majors using illegal golf balls

Bonds image is just like McGuires and Sosas ... come HOF time these are 3 gentlemen who wish they had not juiced up

I would not be surprised one bit to find out Tiger has taken steroids...his body has changed dramatically too over the past five years. I seriously doubt they are drug testing PGA players, but maybe.

Zee, you can bang all you want on the ones you think you know cheated, just remember that the guy you think deserves the accolades probably took a needle too. Go watch any NFL game, 80% of the players on the field have taken some sort of illegal supplements at some point in their life.

 

[CHOPTALK]

When Bonds hits 50 this season is everyone going to get off of his case?

He gets tested at least 3 times a season

 

[docmercer--banned]

No way Woods is on steroids .... he is a workaholic and with Holmes and Watson on tour he is simply one of the top 10 longest guys off the tee box

Golf doesnt need to test for a simple reason .. with the the equipment they all pump it around 290 or so off the tee box and golf is defined by scoring from 50 yrds on in and always will be

 

[blueedwards]

People act like the steroids hit the homers. Do you think Joe Blow can go out there and hit 800 homers by taking steroids? He was the greatest player before 97 and after 97.

Whos to say Mickey Mantle did not take the juice? There are several crediable stories out there with proof that players were on the juice since the early 60s.

Dont get mad at Bonds. Get mad at Fay Vincent and Bud Selig. Bonds never did anything illegal.

1) the arguement that the steroids did not hit the homers is ridiculous. how many of his homers should have been flyouts? 10%...25%? we'll never know. also, the other main benefit of steroids (besides the strength) is that you dont get injured...at least not in the short term. they help you stay off the IR all season. how else do you explain a guy like mcgwire, who could not play 120 games a season from 1991-1996, all of a sudden play in 150 games a year...and look like the incredible hulk...and hit over 50 hrs each year.

2) show me proof that mantle used steroids and i'll listen

3) steroids are and were illegal. barry did so do somethign illegal. so did mcgwire, giambi, sheffield, canseco, palmeiro, caminiti and a bunch of others. just because mlb did not test for them does not mean they were legal.

go ahead with your bonds worship if you wish. people with their eyes open know he is a fraud. all the records should be taken down. hank aaron, babe ruth and roger maris are the rightful owners.

 

[CHOPTALK]

1) the arguement that the steroids did not hit the homers is ridiculous. how many of his homers should have been flyouts? 10%...25%? we'll never know. also, the other main benefit of steroids (besides the strength) is that you dont get injured...at least not in the short term. they help you stay off the IR all season. how else do you explain a guy like mcgwire, who could not play 120 games a season from 1991-1996, all of a sudden play in 150 games a year...and look like the incredible hulk...and hit over 50 hrs each year.

2) show me proof that mantle used steroids and i'll listen

3) steroids are and were illegal. barry did so do somethign illegal. so did mcgwire, giambi, sheffield, canseco, palmeiro, caminiti and a bunch of others. just because mlb did not test for them does not mean they were legal.

go ahead with your bonds worship if you wish. people with their eyes open know he is a fraud. all the records should be taken down. hank aaron, babe ruth and roger maris are the rightful owners.

He never did anything against baseball rules. Show me a baseball rule book pre2003 where it says steriods were illegal.

 

[oldmanTED]

Can't wait until baseball season starts.

 

[ClipJoint]

Can't wait until baseball season starts.

:toast:

 

[CHOPTALK]

Can't wait until baseball season starts.

Your not the only one.

I think your boys have a real good shot at the west if the greatest player in the history of baseball stays healthy

 

[blueedwards]

can you please show me the video tape of him doing any of these things? didnt think so quit trying to bring the brother down damn!! :nono5:

1) it all came out during the balco investigation. giambi was the only one with the balls to admit it. bonds said he took the roids "unknowingly".

2) do you really think the sf guys who wrote that book did not have the goods on barry before they wrote it? do you think they would put their reputations on the line if they were making it up? and, if barry is clean, why is he not suing them for lible?

i cant stand barry bonds but, he is no worse than mcgwire, palmiero, giambi, sosa, etc. they should all be kicked out of the game. or, at the very least, their stats should be erased and they should be banned from the hall of fame.

 

[Kruser6]

Barry is the greatest of all-time period.......... I dont give a shit what anyone says about all the other bullshit. Deal with it.

top 3, thats for sure

 

[blueedwards]

He never did anything against baseball rules. Show me a baseball rule book pre2003 where it says steriods were illegal.

its against the law knucklehead! who cares if the mlb rule book did not specifically address steroids. do you think there is a provision in the rule book saying "do not falsify your personal tax returns"?

the nba does not test for marajuana...does that mean the players who get lit up cant get arrested?

wake up! your arguements have more holes in them than tu-pak-shakur

 

[CHOPTALK]

1) it all came out during the balco investigation. giambi was the only one with the balls to admit it. bonds said he took the roids "unknowingly".

2) do you really think the sf guys who wrote that book did not have the goods on barry before they wrote it? do you think they would put their reputations on the line if they were making it up? and, if barry is clean, why is he not suing them for lible?

i cant stand barry bonds but, he is no worse than mcgwire, palmiero, giambi, sosa, etc. they should all be kicked out of the game. or, at the very least, their stats should be erased and they should be banned from the hall of fame.

The 2 main sources in that book was Barry Bonds ex-lover and a quote from ken griffey jr who denied the claims that the book said that bonds told him at his house that he was going to start taking the juice.

The judge overseeing bonds lawsuit ruled that the authors of the book would not be allowed to recieve any profit from book sales because of a lack of evidence.


There has not ever even been rumers of Barry Bonds taking steroids before 1998!!!!!!

Barry Bonds was the best player in baseball from 1992 thru 1997.
No matter how you cut it, hes the greatest.

 

[zee]

There are two kinds of people on this thread. Some who follow logic. Others who follow idols. Have a good night all of you, will post more tomorrow!!!!;o)

 

[CHOPTALK]

There are two kinds of people on this thread. Some who follow logic. Others who follow idols. Have a good night all of you, will post more tomorrow!!!!;o)

Im not a Giants fan in the least. I just give respect where respect is due.

There is not an athlete in the world that I marvel at more than Barry Bonds. In 320 official at bats per year he does more than any player has ever done with 600 at bats.

No one changes the game more than barry. No one recieves more intentional walks than Barry. This is what separates him from Pujois and anyone else who has ever played the game. Babe Ruth never got the respect that Bonds gets when he is at the plate. At least they would pitch to Ruth every once in a while. Barry has been walked intentionally with the bases loaded before!!!!!!!!

They shift the whole infield on him on practically every at bat. If he got to see the same pitches that AROD gets to see he would hit 100 homers!!!!!! and that is not an exageration!!!!!

If he wanted to break the 56 game hitting streak all he would have to do is bunt the ball down the 3rd base line and he could walk to first base.

Hes the greatest ever period...........

 

[CHOPTALK]

top 3, thats for sure

top 1 thats for sure

 

[CHOPTALK]

He was the greatest player before 97 ...?????

His stats before and after he started injecting the Juice are dramatic ..

Plain and simple ... Bonds cheated and he knows it, the other players know it and the public knows it

This would like the sport of golf finding out that Woods won all his majors using illegal golf balls

Bonds image is just like McGuires and Sosas ... come HOF time these are 3 gentlemen who wish they had not juiced up

Bonds won 3 mvps pre-97 and was the greatest all around player in the game bar none.

 

[TTinCO]

Bonds won 3 mvps pre-97 and was the greatest all around player in the game bar none.

Yeah, I'm sure he was clean then too....uppy:

If I got an 18 inch cock implant, would I be the next John Holmes? No-because I CHEATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[guitarjosh]

1) ... also, the other main benefit of steroids (besides the strength) is that you dont get injured...at least not in the short term. they help you stay off the IR all season. how else do you explain a guy like mcgwire, who could not play 120 games a season from 1991-1996, all of a sudden play in 150 games a year...and look like the incredible hulk...and hit over 50 hrs each year.

That's not completly true, blue. Tears would be a lot more common because the bones and connective tissue can't support all the extra muscle.

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Hey Chop....Bonds is a very good athlete, I'll give you that, but the greatest
of all time in any team sport??? I think that there may be at least 10 players
that are greater starting with Babe Ruth. I respect most of your opinions
and insights, but you are way off base here.

 

[HiloBoy]

bonds is the greatest offensive player in history. plus who knows how many take someting that we will never know about. if bonds has done all the things you say then there are many more doing the same thing and they do not get the results that bonds does.