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If this sketch of next season were any rougher, it would be on tree bark. But without knowing some of the basics, such as which teams will be in the Big East and which in Conference USA, it's difficult to analyze the Boston Colleges, Connecticuts, Louisvilles and TCUs of the world. Until that gets straightened out, which should happen within the next 10 days, the list below will have to do. Some teams will benefit from the change in conference. Others, such as Virginia Tech and Clemson, won't.


1. USC
The offense and the defense are opposites. The defense is strong up the middle, but must replace its ends and corners. The offense has plenty of experienced talent handling the ball, but loses three starters on the line. Given the Trojans' dominance, their talent, and the lack of a challenger in the Pac-10, it's easy to assume that they will make it to the Orange Bowl for the BCS championship.


2. LSU
Eighteen starters return, as well as coach Nick Saban. (Sorry, SEC, looks like he's around for a while). The scary thing about the Tigers is that the defense loses only one starter each from the line, the linebackers and the secondary. The biggest question to be answered: will Matt Mauck play or will he enroll in dental school... or both?


3. Oklahoma
The offense returns virtually intact, and seven starters return on defense, eight if you include linebacker Lance Mitchell, who went out early last season with a knee injury. What's not to like? The Sooners also have the bitter memory of their last two games to fuel them through the winter.


4. Georgia
If end David Pollack and safety Sean Jones decide not to go to the NFL, this ranking may be too low. The Bulldogs went 11-3 last season despite an inexperienced offensive line and a tremendous number of injuries. Georgia gets LSU and Tennessee between the hedges this season, and dumps Clemson. It's all good.


5. Miami
The Canes defense loses at least three and maybe four first-round draft choices on defense (tackle Vince Wilfork, linebackers D.J. Williams and Jonathan Vilma and free safety Sean Taylor), and the offense could use a transfusion. But the move to the ACC won't be as tough as you think. Florida State and Virginia Tech have trouble winning at the Orange Bowl. Clemson comes south, too. Miami's most difficult road trips are Virginia and North Carolina State. Very manageable.


6. Florida State
The Seminoles may lose at Miami on Labor Day night -- really going out on a limb with that one -- but the loss is early enough in the season to be largely irrelevant. However, the significant losses on defense are not. Florida State traditionally uses a lot of players, so new players aren't really that new. Still, the growing pains will be noticeable. The offense may be the strongest since the national championship team of 1999.


7. Michigan
The Wolverines must rebuild the offensive and defensive lines, which is never fun, as well as the entire offensive backfield. On the other hand, the linebackers and secondary remain solid. Junior Matt Gutierrez should step right into departing quarterback John Navarre's cleats, but the downside of Chris Perry's workhorse tendencies is that no one has proven that they can be dependable.


8. Maryland
One thing we know is that the Terrapins will be good at the end of the year, because they always are. They don't play Miami, and they get Florida State in College Park. They lose quarterback Scott McBrien, but when has Ralph Friedgen not been able to develop a quarterback? Biggest concern: the secondary will be new.


9. Texas
The Longhorns lose only four starters on each side of the ball, but three of the offensive players leaving are the outstanding wide receivers. Does Vince Young need anyone to catch the ball, or can he just run it? If the new receivers step up, and if tailback Cedric Benson is a weapon in his senior year, the Horns will score points. Until the defense learns a new scheme from its new coordinator, how Texas stops people will be a mystery. But a lot of talent on that side of the ball returns.


10. Iowa
The Hawkeyes went 10-3 in what looked like a rebuilding year. The offense must be reconstructed, and a new quarterback must be found, but Iowa should be pretty tough once it's on defense (which depends on recruiting), and it should be pretty tough once again on special teams (which depends on coaching).


11. California
The Bears went 8-6 and beat USC and Virginia Tech in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. It became a reloading year. Coach Jeff Tedford discovered quarterback Aaron Rodgers on tape while looking at a junior college tight end, and Rodgers will begin 2004 pushing USC's Matt Leinart as the best quarterback in the Pac-10. The defense, though it has eight returnees, must improve for the Bears to challenge USC for the Pac-10.


12. West Virginia
Odds are, the Mountaineers will only have to play Maryland once and won't get Miami at all, so things are looking up already. West Virginia may be the Big East favorite, depending upon whether Boston College plays in it or not. There won't be much experience at the skill positions, with the notable exception of quarterback Rasheed Marshall. The defense, which matured well during the season, will be the anchor of this team.


13. Clemson
The Tigers were the best team in the ACC over the last month of the season. Sixteen starters return, including junior-to-be quarterback Charlie Whitehurst, who finished as a much better player than the guy shut out against Georgia. How well will the '03 finish transfer from November to August? The schedule is a problem. Clemson plays at Miami, at Florida State and at Virginia.


14. Utah
Seventeen starters (eight offense, seven defense, both kickers) return from the team that went 10-2 in 2003. The Utes improved markedly over the course of the season, which is a tribute to coach Urban Meyer (career record: 27-8). Junior-to-be Alex Smith is the best returning quarterback in the Mountain West.


15. Ohio State
The core of the team that went 25-2 over the last two seasons has graduated. When the number of departing seniors reaches the teens, it's time to rebuild. The Buckeyes do have depth at tailback, especially if Maurice Clarett is welcomed back. The linebackers and secondary will give the inexperienced defensive line time to grow.


16. Oregon State
The Beavers endured growing pains, as a young defense crumbled down the stretch, giving up an average of 40 points in the four losses Oregon State suffered in its last six regular-season games. However, Oregon State has a secondary that got better every week, a veteran offensive line and solid, if unspectacular, veteran starter in quarterback Derek Anderson. They also get all of the major Pac-10 contenders -- USC, Cal, Washington State and Oregon -- coming into Corvallis.


17. Tennessee
Five of the front seven return on defense and the Vols will need them, because the offense must be rebuilt. Quarterback Casey Clausen is gone, as is virtually the entire offensive line. But with a defense, and a pair of talented senior running backs in Cedric Houston and Jabari Davis, the Vols will be tough. The schedule eases, with Miami going off, and Florida and Auburn coming to Knoxville.


18. Auburn
In an SEC West that loses a lot of steam (Eli Manning of Ole Miss and All-American OT Shawn Andrews of Arkansas gone to the NFL), no one loses more than the Auburn defense. Five of the front seven, all of them good players, are gone. But with tailbacks Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown coming back, as well as four returning starters on the offensive line, coach Tommy Tuberville may make it through the season without turmoil.


19. Missouri
So who wins the Big 12 North? Kansas State lost a lot of seniors, Nebraska has a new head coach, and Colorado isn't ready yet. That leaves the Tigers, who had a disappointing 8-5 season, but return nearly the entire defense as well as outstanding quarterback Brad Smith. If Missouri finds a productive tailback, watch out.


20. Virginia
The Cavs will have one of the best defenses in the ACC, with eight starters returning on defense. Seven return on offense, including the best returning tight end in the nation in Heath Miller, and running backs Wali Lundy and Alvin Pearman. The big question is whether Marques Hagan can run the offense at a championship level.


21. Florida
Florida has a number of skill players returning, chief among them quarterback Chris Leak. The offensive line must be rebuilt. The Gators better hope that they generate a pass rush, because only nickel back Corey Bailey returns. The schedule should help. Miami, the 12th opponent, is gone. LSU must come to the Swamp, and Florida swaps Ole Miss for Mississippi State. The Gators will be a paradox: younger than in 2003, but the young players will be experienced.


22. Nebraska
With former Oakland Raiders head coach Bill Callahan finally signed on and bringing a new system with him, the Huskers are the most difficult to predict. But there's a lot of experience on offense looking for a system, and the defense returns its strongest piece -- the secondary.


23. Toledo
The Rockets aren't used to going "only" 8-4, as they did in 2003, but after getting a year of experience for quarterback Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo has the best returning passer in the MAC. The Rockets must develop a pass rush, but the linebackers and secondary return nearly intact.


24. Purdue
The Boilermakers lost two games in overtime and another by one point, so don't be fooled by their 9-4 record. However, you can't ignore the eight starters departing from the defense, either. Quarterback Kyle Orton loses his favorite target, wideout John Standeford, but he gets back Taylor Stubblefield, as well as four starters on the offensive line. If the Boilermakers show any signs of playing good defense, move them up at least 10 spots.


25. Colorado
A bit of a longshot, but the Buffaloes began to improve on defense over the last month of the season. No, it couldn't have gotten any worse. The offense remains potent, save at wide receiver. More important, Colorado sends UCLA and Florida State off the schedule and welcomes North Texas.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The General:
If this sketch of next season were any rougher, it would be on tree bark. But without knowing some of the basics, such as which teams will be in the Big East and which in Conference USA, it's difficult to analyze the Boston Colleges, Connecticuts, Louisvilles and TCUs of the world. Until that gets straightened out, which should happen within the next 10 days, the list below will have to do. Some teams will benefit from the change in conference. Others, such as Virginia Tech and Clemson, won't.


1. USC
The offense and the defense are opposites. The defense is strong up the middle, but must replace its ends and corners. The offense has plenty of experienced talent handling the ball, but loses three starters on the line. Given the Trojans' dominance, their talent, and the lack of a challenger in the Pac-10, it's easy to assume that they will make it to the Orange Bowl for the BCS championship.


2. LSU
Eighteen starters return, as well as coach Nick Saban. (Sorry, SEC, looks like he's around for a while). The scary thing about the Tigers is that the defense loses only one starter each from the line, the linebackers and the secondary. The biggest question to be answered: will Matt Mauck play or will he enroll in dental school... or both?


3. Oklahoma
The offense returns virtually intact, and seven starters return on defense, eight if you include linebacker Lance Mitchell, who went out early last season with a knee injury. What's not to like? The Sooners also have the bitter memory of their last two games to fuel them through the winter.


4. Georgia
If end David Pollack and safety Sean Jones decide not to go to the NFL, this ranking may be too low. The Bulldogs went 11-3 last season despite an inexperienced offensive line and a tremendous number of injuries. Georgia gets LSU and Tennessee between the hedges this season, and dumps Clemson. It's all good.


5. Miami
The Canes defense loses at least three and maybe four first-round draft choices on defense (tackle Vince Wilfork, linebackers D.J. Williams and Jonathan Vilma and free safety Sean Taylor), and the offense could use a transfusion. But the move to the ACC won't be as tough as you think. Florida State and Virginia Tech have trouble winning at the Orange Bowl. Clemson comes south, too. Miami's most difficult road trips are Virginia and North Carolina State. Very manageable.


6. Florida State
The Seminoles may lose at Miami on Labor Day night -- really going out on a limb with that one -- but the loss is early enough in the season to be largely irrelevant. However, the significant losses on defense are not. Florida State traditionally uses a lot of players, so new players aren't really that new. Still, the growing pains will be noticeable. The offense may be the strongest since the national championship team of 1999.


7. Michigan
The Wolverines must rebuild the offensive and defensive lines, which is never fun, as well as the entire offensive backfield. On the other hand, the linebackers and secondary remain solid. Junior Matt Gutierrez should step right into departing quarterback John Navarre's cleats, but the downside of Chris Perry's workhorse tendencies is that no one has proven that they can be dependable.


8. Maryland
One thing we know is that the Terrapins will be good at the end of the year, because they always are. They don't play Miami, and they get Florida State in College Park. They lose quarterback Scott McBrien, but when has Ralph Friedgen not been able to develop a quarterback? Biggest concern: the secondary will be new.


9. Texas
The Longhorns lose only four starters on each side of the ball, but three of the offensive players leaving are the outstanding wide receivers. Does Vince Young need anyone to catch the ball, or can he just run it? If the new receivers step up, and if tailback Cedric Benson is a weapon in his senior year, the Horns will score points. Until the defense learns a new scheme from its new coordinator, how Texas stops people will be a mystery. But a lot of talent on that side of the ball returns.


10. Iowa
The Hawkeyes went 10-3 in what looked like a rebuilding year. The offense must be reconstructed, and a new quarterback must be found, but Iowa should be pretty tough once it's on defense (which depends on recruiting), and it should be pretty tough once again on special teams (which depends on coaching).


11. California
The Bears went 8-6 and beat USC and Virginia Tech in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. It became a reloading year. Coach Jeff Tedford discovered quarterback Aaron Rodgers on tape while looking at a junior college tight end, and Rodgers will begin 2004 pushing USC's Matt Leinart as the best quarterback in the Pac-10. The defense, though it has eight returnees, must improve for the Bears to challenge USC for the Pac-10.


12. West Virginia
Odds are, the Mountaineers will only have to play Maryland once and won't get Miami at all, so things are looking up already. West Virginia may be the Big East favorite, depending upon whether Boston College plays in it or not. There won't be much experience at the skill positions, with the notable exception of quarterback Rasheed Marshall. The defense, which matured well during the season, will be the anchor of this team.


13. Clemson
The Tigers were the best team in the ACC over the last month of the season. Sixteen starters return, including junior-to-be quarterback Charlie Whitehurst, who finished as a much better player than the guy shut out against Georgia. How well will the '03 finish transfer from November to August? The schedule is a problem. Clemson plays at Miami, at Florida State and at Virginia.


14. Utah
Seventeen starters (eight offense, seven defense, both kickers) return from the team that went 10-2 in 2003. The Utes improved markedly over the course of the season, which is a tribute to coach Urban Meyer (career record: 27-8). Junior-to-be Alex Smith is the best returning quarterback in the Mountain West.


15. Ohio State
The core of the team that went 25-2 over the last two seasons has graduated. When the number of departing seniors reaches the teens, it's time to rebuild. The Buckeyes do have depth at tailback, especially if Maurice Clarett is welcomed back. The linebackers and secondary will give the inexperienced defensive line time to grow.


16. Oregon State
The Beavers endured growing pains, as a young defense crumbled down the stretch, giving up an average of 40 points in the four losses Oregon State suffered in its last six regular-season games. However, Oregon State has a secondary that got better every week, a veteran offensive line and solid, if unspectacular, veteran starter in quarterback Derek Anderson. They also get all of the major Pac-10 contenders -- USC, Cal, Washington State and Oregon -- coming into Corvallis.


17. Tennessee
Five of the front seven return on defense and the Vols will need them, because the offense must be rebuilt. Quarterback Casey Clausen is gone, as is virtually the entire offensive line. But with a defense, and a pair of talented senior running backs in Cedric Houston and Jabari Davis, the Vols will be tough. The schedule eases, with Miami going off, and Florida and Auburn coming to Knoxville.


18. Auburn
In an SEC West that loses a lot of steam (Eli Manning of Ole Miss and All-American OT Shawn Andrews of Arkansas gone to the NFL), no one loses more than the Auburn defense. Five of the front seven, all of them good players, are gone. But with tailbacks Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown coming back, as well as four returning starters on the offensive line, coach Tommy Tuberville may make it through the season without turmoil.


19. Missouri
So who wins the Big 12 North? Kansas State lost a lot of seniors, Nebraska has a new head coach, and Colorado isn't ready yet. That leaves the Tigers, who had a disappointing 8-5 season, but return nearly the entire defense as well as outstanding quarterback Brad Smith. If Missouri finds a productive tailback, watch out.


20. Virginia
The Cavs will have one of the best defenses in the ACC, with eight starters returning on defense. Seven return on offense, including the best returning tight end in the nation in Heath Miller, and running backs Wali Lundy and Alvin Pearman. The big question is whether Marques Hagan can run the offense at a championship level.


21. Florida
Florida has a number of skill players returning, chief among them quarterback Chris Leak. The offensive line must be rebuilt. The Gators better hope that they generate a pass rush, because only nickel back Corey Bailey returns. The schedule should help. Miami, the 12th opponent, is gone. LSU must come to the Swamp, and Florida swaps Ole Miss for Mississippi State. The Gators will be a paradox: younger than in 2003, but the young players will be experienced.


22. Nebraska
With former Oakland Raiders head coach Bill Callahan finally signed on and bringing a new system with him, the Huskers are the most difficult to predict. But there's a lot of experience on offense looking for a system, and the defense returns its strongest piece -- the secondary.


23. Toledo
The Rockets aren't used to going "only" 8-4, as they did in 2003, but after getting a year of experience for quarterback Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo has the best returning passer in the MAC. The Rockets must develop a pass rush, but the linebackers and secondary return nearly intact.


24. Purdue
The Boilermakers lost two games in overtime and another by one point, so don't be fooled by their 9-4 record. However, you can't ignore the eight starters departing from the defense, either. Quarterback Kyle Orton loses his favorite target, wideout John Standeford, but he gets back Taylor Stubblefield, as well as four starters on the offensive line. If the Boilermakers show any signs of playing good defense, move them up at least 10 spots.


25. Colorado
A bit of a longshot, but the Buffaloes began to improve on defense over the last month of the season. No, it couldn't have gotten any worse. The offense remains potent, save at wide receiver. More important, Colorado sends UCLA and Florida State off the schedule and welcomes North Texas.

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where did you get this? first of all, matt mauck will never take another snap for LSU. marcus randall or one of the frosh studs will take over. and btw, lsu was the bcs champion, not usc.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by friday:

where did you get this? first of all, matt mauck will never take another snap for LSU. marcus randall or one of the frosh studs will take over. and btw, lsu was the bcs champion, not usc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I think they are talking preseason ratings. Either way, feel free to write them
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The General:
Originally posted by friday:

Either way, feel free to write them
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Mr. NJ and Friday:

Get over it.

it was a split National Championship. USC wins and LSU wins.

Both teams will hang Nat. Champ. banners in their stadiums.

Go argue with ESPN and the President of the United States [who had both teams at the White House].

Jeez - in two years everyone will forget that it was even split.

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LSU won the National Championship.

Usc won the Rose Bowl and had the media proclaim them split National Champions.

I could go into great detail about this subject, but nobody really wants that. Bottom line is that the USC coach and players acted like pussies and wanted to discard the format rules once it didn't bennefit themselves.
 

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USC recruiting class shaping up to be.....

One of the best EVER. You know Pete Carroll is doing something right when he's getting the cream of the crop... from OUT OF STATE.

Not only did he land the #1 LB in the NATION in Keith Rivers from Florida, but now he's landed one of the top WR's in the nation in Fred Davis, from Ohio.

Right now, with Davis coming aboard, it's just not even a quetion that the Trojans will have the #1 class in the nation. (they did last year by some accounts, but this year will be unanimous.)

LSU looking like #2, (again) having a great year recruiting as well. (relax guys, I'm kidding...)
 

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LSU PETE Usc would have beat LSU by a td last year and that would have been with LSU getting the backdoor at the end of the game.
 
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Titles are not decided on who would have beaten who if they played. The rules were in place and LSU and Oklahoma played in the title game. LSU won.
The media that had the Super Bowl pegged as "boring and dull" that had Auburn ranked in the top 5 before the season is now going to tell us that USC is the best team?

USC did the same thing those pansies from Nebraska did the year Michigan should've been the #1 team all by themselves. They bitched and cried and the know nothing sports media ate it up.
 
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You guys are still bitchin and crying and you actually won a Nat Championship.

Jeez - What would have happened if, somehow, USC and Okla were chosen to play in the Sugar Bowl by the screwball BCS, if LSU had been ranked no 1 in all the polls?

I'm sure that you all would be crying the blues that LSU didn't deserve their share because they didn't play in some BCS game, even though they were ranked first in the polls.

Yeah - Right.

I am pretty sure that USC would have done to LSU what they did to Michigan - but we'll never know.

The SC players and coaches didn't bitch and cry to convince the Media that they deserved their number 1 ranking. They were ranked Number 1 before, during, and after the Bowl Season.

What do preseason rankings of Auburn, and a pregame media perception of the Super Bowl have to do with rankings at the end of the College Football season?

Both teams deserve to be ranked No. 1 and they are.

[Incidently - I like both SC and LSU - so I don't really have any bias one way or the other - but what's fair is fair.

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NO ONE of significance called LSU the champ.

LSU was ONLY co-champ because the coaches "HAD" to vote for LSU. Now, it's just not one poll calling USC champs over LSU. In the numerous non-coerced polls, USC is a unanimous NUMBER ONE!

-Associated Press "National Championship Trophy"
-Football Writers Association of America "Grantland Rice Trophy"
-College Football News "National Championship Poll"
-Sports Illustrated "College Football Power Poll"
-Sporting News "National Championship Poll"

National Media:
Jim Rome - "USC the better team"
Kirk Herbstreet - "USC the better team"
Lee Corso - "USC the better team"
Ivan Maisel - "USC the better team"
USA Today - "USC the better team"
Fox Sports - "USC the better team"
CBS Sportsline - "USC the better team"
Sports Illustrated - "USC the better team"
Sporting News - "USC the better team"
CFN - "USC the better team"
FWAA - "USC the better team"
Etc., etc., etc., etc.

So I guess you posters who wrongly say LSU was the champ are in the minority. Most of America feels USC was the better team over LSU and deserved at least half of the championship. It is sad the coaches were "forced" to vote LSU, otherwise NOBODY SIGNIFICANT would have crowned LSU Co-National Champs.
 

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Your 100% correct, LSU won the BCS Championship game, and therefore the coaches were forced to vote them #1, and LSU was the BCS National Champion. Congrats LSU!
 
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So take the medias word for it. The media that said the Super Bowl would be low scoring and suck. Also break out the preview magazines from the media that all had Auburn at #5 and all sorts of other ridiculous stands on college football.
 

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Those are called predictions and predictions are often wrong. Many businessmen on wall street get paid millions to make predictions and are often wrong.

The media claiming who won the NC or who was the best team is based on results, not predictions.
 

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