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Let me start by saying please don't flame me! I'm not trying to antagonize anybody, I'm merely expressing the way I'm feeling about this issue.. if you disagree, I'd love to see your responses, but please be polite!

I'm reading a lot about these DOS attacks that have crippled the books in the last few days and on the one hand, of course, the initial response is sympathy for the books. Here these guys are trying to run a business, and they're being mercilessly attacked, blackmailed and extorted (sic?) by sinister miscreants. The stone cold justice/judgement part of me says find the bad guys, lock em up, and give em their just punishment.

But in a way, in some dark corner of my heart, I'm thrilled, absolutely thrilled that the books have been attacked, and I'd expect many of the rest of you to feel the same way. What kind of businesses ARE these that are getting attacked anyway? Dishonest, cheating, heartless, scumbags -- and I say that even if the books getting nailed have never stiffed a customer, delayed a payout or fudged a line. These are people who have dedicated their lives to taking advantages of people's vices and weaknesses. These are people who have chosen to make their living by preying on man's inability to restrain his own impulses, even to the point where those impulses lead him to self-destruction. All of you customers that have been standing up for your book, or doing your part to help them out: the book is not your friend, they don't like you no matter how many times their friendly clerks call you 'sir' and wish you 'good luck'. They exist, and talk to you, for one reason and one reason alone -- to relieve you of your hard-earned cash with a system of odds and 'juice' that swallows up at least 95% of the people who think they know sports well enough to beat the system. Even that small percentage of us who win (and even among regular RX posters, I imagine it's a very small percentage) still lose because of the countless dozens, hundreds, thousands of hours that they waste sitting in front of their television screens or computer monitors, their hearts racing, their hair falling out, sitting on the edge of their seat watching West Bumblef*ck High whoop Turnip U. in Midget LaCrosse. That time can never be retrieved.

I'm not a priest or a gambling counselor or anything else of the sort. I am, like many of you, a compulsive, addicted gambler...and it's that hands-on experience, that being so deeply entrenched in the field that makes me hate gambling and people who promote and purvey it more deeply than any ascetic or righteous Puritan could ever imagine.

And it's not all about the money either -- yes, overall in my life, I have lost a bit of money gambling...maybe somewhere in the range of 15-20 dimes over the course of my 5.5 year 'career'. Not a terrible loss of capital, and mitigated all the moreso by the fact that I've done very, very well in recent weeks. It's the time spent doing, thinking, researching and obsessing over gambling..it's the degree to which gambling dominates my existence, whether I'm intoxicated with the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat which makes me revile it so much. And these people -- the operators and 'CEO's of sportsbooks are particularly disgusting individuals for taking advantage of people's weaknesses. As much as I have difficulty sleeping after losing 5K on a particularly rough Sunday afternoon, I know that I'd NEVER be at peace if I knew that my primary source of income was taking advantage of others or working to the detriment of my fellow man. I had an opportunity about 3 years ago to partner up with a friend who had an idea to go to CR and start up a book...I was disgusted with the idea and have since terminated the friendship...it's the fact that I'm so deeply esconced in gambling, and am so intimately familiar with its devilish allure, that makes me able to hate it so passionately.

So when I hear that books are going down because some precocious hacker is messing with their computers, there's a part of me that says good riddance. After exploiting others' weaknesses for so long, it's high time someone took advantage of yours. All of you clients whom the books have been thanking so profusely for standing up for them, remember -- they only have loyalty to you so long as you have funds in your account. They don't give a crap about you, on the contrary, they exist to take your money from you, and you shouldn't give a crap about them either.

Sportsbooks are *NOT* legitimate businesses, even if they're licensed and made squeaky clean by gaming commissions. They're akin in my mind to cigarette companies and drug pushers, making a profit at any cost, even at the cost of the lives and welfare of the people who butter their bread.

Now before the flaming begins, allow me to acknowledge that A) YES, I am a compulsive gambler. B) YES, I have been to many GA meetings and no, it hasn't done a thing for me. The truth is, if you searched your hearts, I think many of you would agree that you're just as twisted, and sick, and addicted as I...and recognition of that sickness should feed your rage at the people who feed your habit.

Am I blaming them for my problem? Not exactly. I'm the one who's responsible for my gambling addiction -- it's my choice to lay down the funds and research the games and place the bets...and it's with me that the vast, vast majority of the fault lies. But an enabler, an accessory, a provider -- whatever you want to call it -- is not absolved of responsiblity.

Sorry for the long-winded rant. I'd love to hear what y'all have to say.
 

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you are in denial buddy. stop blaming others for your weakness. gambling is a recreational past time and if you are addicted to it i suggest you go get help instead of posting on this board.
 

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Look, people, I didn't post this to get flames or 'beat downs' or any other such childish nonsense. I'm posting the way I feel, in my heart of hearts, because I trust that the people of the Rx are mature enough to read it and comment constructively on it.

I am not 'happy' that the books got nailed, in the same way that I wouldn't be happy if any business or individual got some malicious computer virus that shut down their ability to do whatever was important to them for an extended period of time. They didn't 'deserve it', in the sense that they didn't hack someone first. But I can't help but sense that there IS some black-justice in the whole affiar, insofar as people who've devoted their lives to exploiting their fellow man's weaknesses are now getting a little weak in the knees themselves. And as a compulsive gambler, there's a part of me that hates my enablers -- in the same way that all addicts (alcoholics, drug addicts, smokers, etc.) probably have a deep-seated love coupled with extreme passionate hate for their enablers, and even moreso, to the people or person who first introduced them to their chosen vice.
 

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i am not trying to flame you but am merely pointed out that you are a gambling degenrate and if you have these feelings, which you are entitled to, then you are in serious denial of your addiction. addicts look to blame others for their shortcomings.
 

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Dogs..

while everyone is entitled to there opinion. I feel that the books do not MAKE US wager, we as adults choose to wager and exactly how much to wager at any one time. They do not MAKE us over wager or become addicted. It sounds like you could not stop wagering if you wanted to. This was your choice if its the case Sir.

While I agree alot of gamblers are addicted and could not stop the BOOKS are not responsible for us betting IRRESPONSIBLE. We as adults ARE responsible for ourselves.


If I lose a game and there is one going off in 15mins IF I decide to bet and CHASE because im addicted and the book has a line on the game that is NOT THE BOOKS fault. You should try to gamble responsible and see if it works out


good luck
 

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El Gordo --

I am not in denial, and I am not blaming others for my weakness. If you choose to respond to my post, please take the time to read it first.

I do not blame the books -- my addiction is my own fault/weakness. But I hate them for being enablers, and the fact that they chose to amke their livings in this business says that they are people without morals or care for their fellow man. I know how alluring and destructive gambling can be because I've experienced it, and that gives me the authority to hate them for what they do.

I have never touched a cigarette in my life nor have I ever used an illegal drug. I have no weaknesses or temptation when it comes to those vices, but I still hate the people who sell drugs/cigarettes because of their complete disregard for the welfare of people who can't control themselves.

Gambling is NOT merely a *recreational* activity for most sportsbettors. If it was, there wouldn't be a plethora of books online and in 'real life' and more scrambling to open every day. They do it because there's a sh*tload of money to be made preying on people's weaknesses -- if there wasn't, there would be far fewer sites. Shuffleboard is a recreational activity, bingo is a recreational activity, and there ain't many sites online nor illegal syndicates that offer those thrilling games. Most people who try gambling get burned by it.
 

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Sportsbooks are legitimate businesses. I am very upset they got attacked. Perhaps, if you were a better sports bettor who actually made money, then you'd feel differently. I make a GREAT living by betting sports so obviously I hope these cyber terroists who were attacking the books get caught and killed very slowly and painfully.
I agree w/ el gordo. You need to be at a GA meeting every day of the week and not here.
 

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The same can be said about many businesses/organizations, including the highest judicial office in America. Do you really think they give a chit about us?

A good post dogs. I'm not in agreement with all of it, but Nothing wrong with nicely sharing your views.
 

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Jeezus with the personal attacks!! What does it take to have a civil conversation here?!

Red -- This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my 'ability' or success as a gambler. Since you brought it up, I've made 7 dimes in the last 23 days. How's that for success? Not too shabby, I hope you'll agree. That doesn't change my opinion about books and the people who operate them ONE IOTA. Even if I were a professional gambler who made his entire income on gambling, I would hate the books for exploiting the weaknesses of the 95% of gamblers who lose their shirts and families and lives.

Jay Leno -- I have bet offshore for almost 5.5 years.

General -- Thank you for the civil response. Even conceding your point that government doesn't care about civilians (a point I don't agree with, but which I'll accept for the sake of argument) there's a big difference between people who are apathetic to the welfare of the masses and those who seek to profit by their demise.

Dante -- I agree with you. I never claimed that the books 'make us' wager. I acknowledged several times in my posts that as an adult, the decision to wager -- and the consequences that may result -- are completely my own. Still, someone who enables or aids or abets someone to do something wrong or self-destructive is partially responsible, and with the concept of 'accessory to murder' for example, the law recognizes that.

Chocolate makes people fat, and when they're fat they're far more susceptible to disease, but I don't hate Hershey's because MOST people are capable of eating chocolate responsibly and on the whole, chocolate provides a lot more pleasure to humanity than it does destruction. The same cannot be said of gambling, where MOST people who try it come out wishing they never did.
 

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I suppose you also feel gun manufacturers are responsible for murders and bartenders are responsible for drunk drivers. This kind of thinking won't get you much sympathy here, but it may get you a nice start on your career in politics.
 

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so do you hate fast food companies because they enable people into becoming fat? there is something called free will and free choice and people need to exercise it now and then. based on your logic, everything you do was enabled by something or someone else. that is flawed logic. people need to be accountable for their choices and their actions, instead of blaming the enablers.
 

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Sorry 'bout the smart alecky remark. It's not my fault though. It's the way my mother brought me up - the damned enabler that she was.
 

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So if you use there services, how can you say that these guys are not legit and deserve it?
 

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i suppose in some sick way you can justify what was done to the US on 9/11.................get help, you need it
 

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this guy is a nut case in need of attention.
up "7 dimes for the last 23 days"???
so how much are you down for the year?
Sportbooks provide a legitimate service.
 

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Dogs,
That was an unclassy post. Everyone is free to play or not play at a book, but I will say that I've had the pleasure of dealing with guys like Mike & Will from Rio & Hollywood - they are among the coolest guys I've met in ANY profession. IMO your post is nothing but an ignorant sterotype. Books do more than 'prey on vices', they offer a better price to what Vegas already offers, they create jobs, & they help the economies of countries in dire need of help.

If you don't want to get flamed, then don't open the door with classless Railbird-ish posts.
 

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I'd hate the books also if I played in the casino games and allowed then to take all of my $$$$.Don't get me wrong, the books DO feed off people's compulsions but people must be responsible for there own actions.
 

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