ATS Lock Club

[ripper10]

I haven't been a member here for long, but thanks for a great website. I'd just like to shed some light on ATS, having been a subscriber with them for over two years, ending over a year ago.

I initially subscribed to ATS prior to the football season after hearing that they were a profitable tout service. After calling, I was informed that they offered two services - a Financial Package and a Lock Club Service. The Financial Package costed about a quarter-less than the Lock Club package, so I chose the former.

At ATS, you are assigned an account representative, who you speak with each time you call.

After a few so-so weeks with the Financial Package, my rep told me how well the Lock Club was doing, and I decided to fork out the bucks for that.

Their college football picks were great...unfortunately, their NFL picks were not.

I ended up making a bunch of money on their college FB picks, although I gave some back on their NFL picks.

After football, I chose to continue with them with their hoops program. What a mistake that was!

They had a terrible season. I don't think they hit 40% of their plays. At one point, my rep told me that a lot of the subscribers were fading their plays...wish I would have done that. I ended up losing about $20k.

My rep was a good guy and I actually felt sorry for him. To make up for my losses, he offered me NHL, then Arena Football and eventually MLB picks for free to make up for my losses. None of those programs were profitable.

I returned for the next football season. Once again, I made a lot of money on their college picks and, while playing their NFL selections small, showed a decent profit.

Unfortunately, I paid these guys over $10k over the course of time.

Here are my positive reflections with my experience with ATS:

1. They were - and seem to continue to be - rock solid in NCAA football - especially in the early season.
2. Their claim on Lock Games in football is one of the best in the business.

The negatives:

1. They're kind of shady regarding their records in football and basketball. They don't include the juice, which makes a big difference in the long run.
2. For me, the only sport that they were profitable at during my subscription time was football...they lost at all the other sports. For instance, in MLB, they love to take the favs and we all know that's a losing proposition.

Final analysis on ATS:

Play their "Lock Games" in football...otherwise, don't follow them.

 

[PeteEzra]

They use multi level marketing which is one of the biggest scams in the industry, the higher priced plays are no better then the lower. Don't trust any service that isn't monitored by a third party. If they hit so well why wouldn't they want to easily be able to back their claims? They tell you how great they do then you sign on and they all the sudden lose more then they ever claimed they did, it's a shame.

 

[HarleyRoadKing]

Of the 8+ years I've been doing online sports wagering. ATS was the only service I actually paid for after getting seduced by their elaborate mail propaganda. Did the financial package for about a month several years ago. Picks were awful. Account rep did the same thing, trying to upgrade me to lock club, but I wisefully decided against it and dropped them... I still get those stupid mail packages. They must spend a fortune with advertising... Anyway, you are correct about their decent win percentage with their GOY type plays, which you can always find right here in the Rx service plays forum FREE OF CHARGE....

 

[CaliDreaming]

The first person that wrote here, it is so funny how much of that I agree with. I follow their picks, I admit. Since 2005, they have produced profit in Football each year. and their claim on the big games is spot on. The other sports are shady at best. True, they always take big baseball favorites and never count the vigs on their losses. Oh and those avg units wins per year are just so false. Did you know in 2005, they lost over 300 units in Basketball. Let me repeat, 300 units. i know because I actually was a customer that year and they made no mention of it. The part of their operation that is so dishonest is just that, their claims on the site. If they lost 20 units won week and put on the site "tough week last week, looking to bounce back" or something, at least they were owning up to it, but to be even worse, they have in the past lost like 4 days in a row all sports, down 40 units and then they get one day where they sweep for like 12 units and in big letters the next day it says "ATS Lock Clubs dominate yesterday, sweep the board" yet there wasn't a peep about the last 4 days. Sorry for my 2 cents, but ripper's post was so spot on that I had to add to it.

 

[ChipHilton]

Ats

I'm so glad people are waking up to the deceitful tactics by this company. I was also lured into their service in much the same manner everyone else was. First by their constant marketing with their mailings which I still get every week. I just wish they spent as much time on handicapping as they did marketing and they may produce better results.

I initially chose the financial plan based on the cost and found myself losing almost every week. I honestly think they try to make the financial package lose purposely in order to get you to consider upgrading once they have you locked into a package. Sure enough, my rep tells me how great the lock club is doing and that I should consider upgrading. Of course I should have known the financial package was doomed as it's tough enough to come out ahead when you are using only your top picks, nevermind trying to profit with second tier picks. I figured I'd give it a shot since there was no way I was making money with the financial package and I was already locked in for some funds. I as others made some money on the college football picks but not much since the initial cost of the lock club is prohibitive. However, the NFL selections were below 50% and basketball, hockey and baseball were much worse.

I also enjoyed seeing them advertise the financial package ripping it up after I switched to the lock club. Of course one of the two should get hot enough for them to advertise that one and disregard the other. If not, they'll try a third "weekend package" and hope that wins for marketing purposes. They hope at least one of the three can produce results that they can market to the public.

I was particulary annoyed when after going thru a disastrous week where they went about 4 -20 and lost over 40 units, they finally swept a night for 4-0 and made 13 units. All of a sudden I receive their mass marketing by email and mailings (my account was split with a friend in his name) how they swept the board and get on while they are "hot". They broke even for a few days or lost a unit or two and then had another good day for about plus eight units. Of course again, all the claims came out again: Lock Club killing the books - up over 20 units in last week alone!

Now I realize you are not going to advertise that you were down over 40 units in just over a week but my point is, beware of their marketing claims on all their emails and mailings for the uninformed such as myself years ago. They are not nearly as good as they say.

Eventually the point that got me to give up on them was the way the inflated their record even while I was following them. First they never include the vig which in baseball and hockey is a joke when you give out 85% favorites. However the more annoying thing is releasing a line in their picks that sometimes no one can ever get. If the line moves with them, they use their line. If the line moves the other way, they base their record on that lines (sometimes) as they claim that's what the public got. Therefore they win 90% of the close games while we win 50%. Imagine if I could take all those 1/2 point losses and make them winners, how much better my record would be.

Finally, I decided that while they aren't very good at sports maybe they concentrate on the horses as I saw such great claims from that circle. When I signed up, I would get three sometimes four horses per race. I really wanted just one or two for exactas but I should have known their plan. I asked my rep how to play the four horses and after hemming a bit because they want to save it for their claims after, he told me to play the top horse to win and place and over the others in exactas and trifectas. Costly but for a while I did that for their weekend races and was getting killed. Then I see they are advertising "major profits" at the track the past few weeks. I researched my picks to their claims and saw that when they released say 1,2,3,4; I played 1 to win and place along with 1 over the 2,3,4 in the exactas and trifectas. However if the race came in 3,1,4, they were claiming they won the exacta and trifecta. If you played all the combo's that you could with four horses, you would have been getting killed even worse but they cover their bad streaks with tactics like that. When I called them out on it, they said that some of their clients were able to win those tri's with the horses they gave them (even though if you played all those combo's for every race they gave, you would be penniless). They offered me an extension of my package to make up for the situation as playing the way they told me to was losing. I told them they already made me broke so they were kind enough to offer the extension open-ended. To this day, I imagine, it is still open ended because I want no part of it.

I offer this long winded piece so that someone doesn't fall prey to their marketing techniques as I did and lose much more money than they should both on the cost of their picks and then the losing picks themselves. Good luck people and be leary of great claims.

 

[Betsmart]

I was taken the same kind of way by OTL sports. Please stay away. I learned my lession. Now I still must be on the mailing or call list and get calls all the time. So what I tell them is I am willing to sell them my picks. I give them some made up pick???? They stop calling once I tell them I am a tout. HEHEHEHEHE It works to get these scumbags to leave me alone. DON'T EVER PAY THESE SCUM BAGS. Good Luck to all of us

 

[icethekicker]

the best

well thanks for the information guys! i just started reading this forum at the beginning of the football season and saw them as one of the best handicappers out there! one of my top 10... however i have taken some of there other plays and haven't done so hot and now i see and understand why... starting at the beginning of the year i have started to fallow about 10 or 11 handicappers that i feel are the best... i am putting them in a spreadsheet and making an "equation" out of it... a little nerdy i know but i go to GT so i have to live up to it a little bit...


here is who i have so far... should i add or delete any?
i also follow betvega.com and they had a guy on there for 4 weeks that went like 15-2 on college and nfl... he as called BookieStopper... has anyone heard of him? and were we can get his picks?
Brandon Lang
Frank Patron
ATS Lock and Financial
Seabass
The Sports Advisers
Ron Raymond
Dr Bob
Doc Sports
Maddux Sports
Steve Budin
ASA

 

[Betsmart]

You can add Feiner to see what a joke he is

 

[OJS#32buff]

lang

well thanks for the information guys! i just started reading this forum at the beginning of the football season and saw them as one of the best handicappers out there! one of my top 10... however i have taken some of there other plays and haven't done so hot and now i see and understand why... starting at the beginning of the year i have started to fallow about 10 or 11 handicappers that i feel are the best... i am putting them in a spreadsheet and making an "equation" out of it... a little nerdy i know but i go to GT so i have to live up to it a little bit...


here is who i have so far... should i add or delete any?
i also follow betvega.com and they had a guy on there for 4 weeks that went like 15-2 on college and nfl... he as called BookieStopper... has anyone heard of him? and were we can get his picks?
Brandon Lang
Frank Patron
ATS Lock and Financial
Seabass
The Sports Advisers
Ron Raymond
Dr Bob
Doc Sports
Maddux Sports
Steve Budin
ASA

lang is to fade. right?

 

[enpassant]

well thanks for the information guys! i just started reading this forum at the beginning of the football season and saw them as one of the best handicappers out there! one of my top 10... however i have taken some of there other plays and haven't done so hot and now i see and understand why... starting at the beginning of the year i have started to fallow about 10 or 11 handicappers that i feel are the best... i am putting them in a spreadsheet and making an "equation" out of it... a little nerdy i know but i go to GT so i have to live up to it a little bit...


here is who i have so far... should i add or delete any?
i also follow betvega.com and they had a guy on there for 4 weeks that went like 15-2 on college and nfl... he as called BookieStopper... has anyone heard of him? and were we can get his picks?
Brandon Lang
Frank Patron
ATS Lock and Financial
Seabass
The Sports Advisers
Ron Raymond
Dr Bob
Doc Sports
Maddux Sports
Steve Budin
ASA

What is wrong with Dr. Bob? I thought he was considered a top capper?

 

[icethekicker]

ya he is... that is why i am watching him along with other good handicappers... i am making an equation with all of them

 

[ROCKYPITA]

Keep us posted on how it goes

 

[FairWarning]

RAS (Right-Angle Sports) and Helmut are great in college hoops totals.

 

[DollarDay]

The ONLY way to make money with ATS is to play their 5 unit and above games - but for never more than 1 unit each.

I had their Financial service (the only 1 I ever paid for) back in the early '90's. Like everyone else, the Financial Service lost for the most part. I don't know if my rep felt bad for me or what, but whenever the Financial package would have a down week he would give me the lock club plays the following week, so i was playing financial - lock - financial - lock - financial - lock. I never lost a lot but never made any money, as anything I would win on the lock club I would give back in the financial club.

This went on for the better part of two years (football and hoops - never tried mlb or hockey). After that my rep told me the only way to get lock club was to buy for the year (or the day @ $100/day). That was it and I got out.

Overall I'm luckier than most that I never really lost my ass. Now at the Rx or across the street I'm always looking for their plays and will jump on, but only if I see a 5u play or above, and then, at only 1u.