El,
I don't see the bumbling and stumbling. I believe history will show Bush has done a great job under the circumstances. The man has won 2 wars with extremely limited casualties. We lost more troops in 2 hours in WWII than we've lost in the last few years. Lets put things into perspective from time to time. We still occupy Bosnia, Germany and S. Korea, perspective is key.
The media is funny though how they portrait Bush has an idiot, but time and time again he outsmarts the left. The Nov. election will be no different as I see Bush in a landslide.
I don't see the bumbling and stumbling. I believe history will show Bush has done a great job under the circumstances. The man has won 2 wars with extremely limited casualties. We lost more troops in 2 hours in WWII than we've lost in the last few years. Lets put things into perspective from time to time. We still occupy Bosnia, Germany and S. Korea, perspective is key.
The media is funny though how they portrait Bush has an idiot, but time and time again he outsmarts the left. The Nov. election will be no different as I see Bush in a landslide.
If we took that logic then the rest of the world could call us flying hypocrites for openly criticizing the Spanish for their election choice, yet allowing terrorism clearly make our choice of President. Terroism is on every voter's mind, but thankfully most won't make their choice solely on one issue.
Who would Osama Bin Laden vote for?
Bush.
Not only does idiot Bush not focus his attack on the terrorists behind 9/11, he has already created hundreds of new terrorists for Osama in Iraq.
Who would Saddam vote for
Kerry.
Kerry would not have unjustly invaded Iraq.
Who would most of the terrorist in the world vote for?
Bush.
See the Osama explanation.
This is very easy you pick a side.[/QUOTE]
Bush.
Not only does idiot Bush not focus his attack on the terrorists behind 9/11, he has already created hundreds of new terrorists for Osama in Iraq.
Who would Saddam vote for
Kerry.
Kerry would not have unjustly invaded Iraq.
Who would most of the terrorist in the world vote for?
Bush.
See the Osama explanation.
This is very easy you pick a side.[/QUOTE]
"Not only does idiot Bush not focus his attack on the terrorists behind 9/11"
UGHHH i think those guys are dead. they were funded with the cooperation of the Taliban who are dead also. you would damn the holding of prisoners but you advocate chasing dead people....and you call Bush an idiot?
This war created NO NEW terrorists. Islam is the founder of terrorism in its present form. but they wont line up and fight like real men. no they hide and mask themselves and THEY DO drag the dead around in much the same manner you advocate. they attack the innocent in the name of their so called GOD who has blessed their countries with miles and miles of sand.
these so-called NEW terrorists u speak of have been there all along, they just have to wait until they can catch someone with their back turned before they can unleash their tremendous power( yea right). these are the same people who are dancing tonight as they kill the helpless people of SUDAN... o these guys are real freedom fighters all right..even when they stone old ladies to death they have to bury them up to their necks first....the courage these heathen show is just incredible dont you agree? why dont they just stand and fight if Allah is so great and on their side? won't he bless them in battle the same way he has blessed them thru the ages?
i see your in favor of standing around and waiting to be attacked by surprise as well. thats your choice. BUT THANK OUR GOD we have someone intelligent enough to take the fight to them. to call them out on their own turf. personally i would'nt vote for bush either if there was one candidate around who was saying he would take the fight to them in EVERY place they seek to dominate. your statements remind of of 14 years ago when this country defeated a president simply because ( so they say) he lied to them about raising taxes and replaced him with what?????? A TAX RAISING LIAR!!!!!! the plain ignorance and hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds....the pride they show in being right about being wrong would be hilarious.....if it was somebody else's country they were destroying....but when the sword is drawn across their own childrens throats lets see how they smile.
UGHHH i think those guys are dead. they were funded with the cooperation of the Taliban who are dead also. you would damn the holding of prisoners but you advocate chasing dead people....and you call Bush an idiot?
This war created NO NEW terrorists. Islam is the founder of terrorism in its present form. but they wont line up and fight like real men. no they hide and mask themselves and THEY DO drag the dead around in much the same manner you advocate. they attack the innocent in the name of their so called GOD who has blessed their countries with miles and miles of sand.
these so-called NEW terrorists u speak of have been there all along, they just have to wait until they can catch someone with their back turned before they can unleash their tremendous power( yea right). these are the same people who are dancing tonight as they kill the helpless people of SUDAN... o these guys are real freedom fighters all right..even when they stone old ladies to death they have to bury them up to their necks first....the courage these heathen show is just incredible dont you agree? why dont they just stand and fight if Allah is so great and on their side? won't he bless them in battle the same way he has blessed them thru the ages?
i see your in favor of standing around and waiting to be attacked by surprise as well. thats your choice. BUT THANK OUR GOD we have someone intelligent enough to take the fight to them. to call them out on their own turf. personally i would'nt vote for bush either if there was one candidate around who was saying he would take the fight to them in EVERY place they seek to dominate. your statements remind of of 14 years ago when this country defeated a president simply because ( so they say) he lied to them about raising taxes and replaced him with what?????? A TAX RAISING LIAR!!!!!! the plain ignorance and hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds....the pride they show in being right about being wrong would be hilarious.....if it was somebody else's country they were destroying....but when the sword is drawn across their own childrens throats lets see how they smile.
he did??? what did you learn this from a Liar Moore movie???? would you please refer me to a URL where i can read this factual statement you just made?
do want us to believe that the majority of the 25 million people of iraq would not support the removal of Sadaam by anyone?? is that what your saying? lets see , iraq is made of many different tribes lets go thru a few shall we while your finding that URL.
THE KURDS...im sure they would reelect the bastard who gassed over a half million of them. but if moore would say it you would believe it wouldnt you.
THE SHIITES-- When Sadaam took over in the late 70's he called a meeting of the whole iraq governing council and then one by one called the name of everyone of them who wasnt a member of his party and they were beheaded, shot or drawn and quartered after being led out of the council rm....the majority of these men were shiites....YOUR of course claiming they were in favor of keeping SADAAM as well...find that url too while your out there will you?
Al Dulaimi---100,000 people in this one. they attempted to overthrow Saadam themselves in 1999 but you claim their support as well????
AL Jaburi---oldest and largest tribe in iraq....attempted to assassinate Saadam in 1989 which resulted in the wholsale slaughter of thousands of their people afterwards....oh yea they're lining up to defend SADAAM as well.
bring some facts to the table if you'd like to support your/Liar Moore's opinion.
do want us to believe that the majority of the 25 million people of iraq would not support the removal of Sadaam by anyone?? is that what your saying? lets see , iraq is made of many different tribes lets go thru a few shall we while your finding that URL.
THE KURDS...im sure they would reelect the bastard who gassed over a half million of them. but if moore would say it you would believe it wouldnt you.
THE SHIITES-- When Sadaam took over in the late 70's he called a meeting of the whole iraq governing council and then one by one called the name of everyone of them who wasnt a member of his party and they were beheaded, shot or drawn and quartered after being led out of the council rm....the majority of these men were shiites....YOUR of course claiming they were in favor of keeping SADAAM as well...find that url too while your out there will you?
Al Dulaimi---100,000 people in this one. they attempted to overthrow Saadam themselves in 1999 but you claim their support as well????
AL Jaburi---oldest and largest tribe in iraq....attempted to assassinate Saadam in 1989 which resulted in the wholsale slaughter of thousands of their people afterwards....oh yea they're lining up to defend SADAAM as well.
bring some facts to the table if you'd like to support your/Liar Moore's opinion.
Lander,
You are WRONG like usual. If O-Bin is alive, a big if, he'd LOVE for the UN to take a role in finding him. This is exactly what Kerry promotes, more UN stall and delay and nothing gets done. I lost count of the UN resolutions was it 15 or 20? Who gives a fuk, they mean nothing. Kerry thinks they do, nuff said.
You are WRONG like usual. If O-Bin is alive, a big if, he'd LOVE for the UN to take a role in finding him. This is exactly what Kerry promotes, more UN stall and delay and nothing gets done. I lost count of the UN resolutions was it 15 or 20? Who gives a fuk, they mean nothing. Kerry thinks they do, nuff said.
Gameface, you are wrong on this. If the UN takes a role in finding him then he becomes marginalized. The moderates in the Arab world get emboldened to help out in finding him as well because they feel they have a voice in the UN and certainly don't get that sense when it is just the US coming running through all their kitchens. Tell me this, if we had stuck to just going into Afghanistan and sent 140,000 troops there along with the UN contributions and the pressure that would have put on Pakistan, don't you think we would have Bin Laden by now? Of course we would. And tell me this, who is more important to the US to have in custody, Sadam or Bin Laden?
Following all that logic, we would have liberated an oppressed country and set up a strong democracy with a rule of law and where the average people would be welcoming us. They would be glad to get rid of the corrupt warlords who have every interest in keeping the country backward and at war. In short we would have done all the things we were supposed to do in Iraq, yet we haven't quite seemed to accomplish. So if the missions were really that important, why didn't we stick to the one that was very winnable first? Or maybe we should all just admit the stated missions weren't all that important in the first place...
Following all that logic, we would have liberated an oppressed country and set up a strong democracy with a rule of law and where the average people would be welcoming us. They would be glad to get rid of the corrupt warlords who have every interest in keeping the country backward and at war. In short we would have done all the things we were supposed to do in Iraq, yet we haven't quite seemed to accomplish. So if the missions were really that important, why didn't we stick to the one that was very winnable first? Or maybe we should all just admit the stated missions weren't all that important in the first place...
WildBill, there is a huge difference between a dictator squatting on billions worth of oil searching desperately for nuclear and chemical weapons and a terrorist like Bin Laden hiding out in a cave. Hussein murdered far more people than Bin Laden could ever dream of doing, and would gladly seek out his revenge once the UN lifted economic sanctions against him. Bin Laden didn't/doesn't have that kind of power, as the 9-11 commission report clearly states. His organization is in tatters today compared to pre 9-11.
And please...having the blue helmeted UN troops climbing the mountains in Afghanistan would be a joke. They might find their ass if they were shown a toilet, but nothing more than that. This United Nations love affair is silly and quite dangerous, given its recent history of stealing Iraqi money and sex abuse scandels in Africa.
And please...having the blue helmeted UN troops climbing the mountains in Afghanistan would be a joke. They might find their ass if they were shown a toilet, but nothing more than that. This United Nations love affair is silly and quite dangerous, given its recent history of stealing Iraqi money and sex abuse scandels in Africa.
There is no love affair, the fact is the world was with us on Afghanistan. Least we should have done is followed through and made that live up to all these lofty goals we seem to think the Iraqis are worthy of. And you must be kidding about Bin Laden's group, they are causing havoc in Saudi, his people are beheading people in Iraq, and there are still terror alerts worldwide supposedly because of him or his affiliated groups. All of this wouldn't be happening if we stayed the course in Afghanistan instead of getting bored and moving onto the next target before the job was finished. And here in Iraq looks about the same, the job will be far from finished yet Bush and his boys will try every way they can to try to claim some success. Good luck George, we wish you well but to many voters it just seems you are a bit over your head with this one...
sfeiner...praise allah your around to tell these liberal heathens whats what.
I've been saying all along that the khobar towers,USS cole, WTC I, and 9/11 is what has made more terroist and OBL's.Success breeds success,those bastards know only one thing that is strength...Lybia saw the writhg on the wall Iraq will improve in time and afghanistan is improving daily...Iran is on the verge of desperation and collapse and I'm sure they will lash out at some point but it will be out of desperation.
Of all the US countries in the world that claim to be the US is freinds,Jordan steps up to offer troop support in Iraq...al the other freedom mooching countries are backing off till its oppurtunistic for them.
I've been saying all along that the khobar towers,USS cole, WTC I, and 9/11 is what has made more terroist and OBL's.Success breeds success,those bastards know only one thing that is strength...Lybia saw the writhg on the wall Iraq will improve in time and afghanistan is improving daily...Iran is on the verge of desperation and collapse and I'm sure they will lash out at some point but it will be out of desperation.
Of all the US countries in the world that claim to be the US is freinds,Jordan steps up to offer troop support in Iraq...al the other freedom mooching countries are backing off till its oppurtunistic for them.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfeiner:
"Not only does idiot Bush not focus his attack on the terrorists behind 9/11"
UGHHH i think those guys are dead. they were funded with the cooperation of the Taliban who are dead also. you would damn the holding of prisoners but you advocate chasing dead people....and you call Bush an idiot?
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So we captured OBL?
Why do you keep these things a secret Feiner? Bush would have been interested to know about his business partners.
"Not only does idiot Bush not focus his attack on the terrorists behind 9/11"
UGHHH i think those guys are dead. they were funded with the cooperation of the Taliban who are dead also. you would damn the holding of prisoners but you advocate chasing dead people....and you call Bush an idiot?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So we captured OBL?
Why do you keep these things a secret Feiner? Bush would have been interested to know about his business partners.
"So we captured OBL?"
actually old buddy it doesnt matter if we got him or not.same with Sadaam....what does matter is they no longer have the backing of a world recognized government from which to stage their attacks on ANYONE or ANY GROUP that does not agree with their version of islam.
nobody is against a world government or even putting ourselves in these other countries more than myself i assure you. however the world has changed...WE MUST AS THE GREATEST NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD ENFORCE WORLDWIDE OUR OWN RULE OF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. i would support tomorrow sanctions against EVERY country that wants to enforce islam law against their people.
and cooperate with the u.n.? forget them..they are idiots who were getting rich off the sanctions on iraq and wouldnt care if sadaam helped eliminate every jew and and every helpless person in the world as long as they were getting their pockets filled.......no one should influence what we do for our own safety....no one.
actually old buddy it doesnt matter if we got him or not.same with Sadaam....what does matter is they no longer have the backing of a world recognized government from which to stage their attacks on ANYONE or ANY GROUP that does not agree with their version of islam.
nobody is against a world government or even putting ourselves in these other countries more than myself i assure you. however the world has changed...WE MUST AS THE GREATEST NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD ENFORCE WORLDWIDE OUR OWN RULE OF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. i would support tomorrow sanctions against EVERY country that wants to enforce islam law against their people.
and cooperate with the u.n.? forget them..they are idiots who were getting rich off the sanctions on iraq and wouldnt care if sadaam helped eliminate every jew and and every helpless person in the world as long as they were getting their pockets filled.......no one should influence what we do for our own safety....no one.
Have you tried passing this theory onto the Spainards?
"and cooperate with the u.n.? forget them..they are idiots who were getting rich off the sanctions on iraq and wouldnt care if sadaam helped eliminate every jew and and every helpless person in the world as long as they were getting their pockets filled.......no one should influence what we do for our own safety....no one."
And yet the administration runs to them for hellp ... go figure.
"and cooperate with the u.n.? forget them..they are idiots who were getting rich off the sanctions on iraq and wouldnt care if sadaam helped eliminate every jew and and every helpless person in the world as long as they were getting their pockets filled.......no one should influence what we do for our own safety....no one."
And yet the administration runs to them for hellp ... go figure.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfeiner:
WE MUST AS THE GREATEST NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD ENFORCE WORLDWIDE OUR OWN RULE OF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
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Oh, my. Where to start ... the separation of Church and State is in danger in your own nation under Bush and Ashcroft. With the fall of Saddam, who was secular, Islamic law will now become a fundmental part of everyday life in Iraq. The women will suffer for this. It is not the responsibility of the US or any other nation to 'enforce' anything on other countries. To believe otherwise is wholly dangerous.
WE MUST AS THE GREATEST NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD ENFORCE WORLDWIDE OUR OWN RULE OF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, my. Where to start ... the separation of Church and State is in danger in your own nation under Bush and Ashcroft. With the fall of Saddam, who was secular, Islamic law will now become a fundmental part of everyday life in Iraq. The women will suffer for this. It is not the responsibility of the US or any other nation to 'enforce' anything on other countries. To believe otherwise is wholly dangerous.
LoudAndDumb,
We played this childish game yesterday ...
Who would Osama Bin Laden vote for?
Bush.
Not only does idiot Bush not focus his attack on the terrorists behind 9/11, he has already created hundreds of new terrorists for Osama in Iraq.
Who would Saddam vote for
Kerry.
Kerry would not have unjustly invaded Iraq.
Who would most of the terrorist in the world vote for?
Bush.
See the Osama explanation.
Talk about short term memory
We played this childish game yesterday ...
Who would Osama Bin Laden vote for?
Bush.
Not only does idiot Bush not focus his attack on the terrorists behind 9/11, he has already created hundreds of new terrorists for Osama in Iraq.
Who would Saddam vote for
Kerry.
Kerry would not have unjustly invaded Iraq.
Who would most of the terrorist in the world vote for?
Bush.
See the Osama explanation.
Talk about short term memory
Sadly its true.
The policies of Bush create wonderful recruitment opportunities for the extremists.
The more people he brutalises, the more will join the extremists.
Unemployment of 50% plus in Iraq is another excellent pool of potential volunteers.
The US policy of invading countries it dislikes is another good reason for neighbouring countries to send in as many volunteers as possible to keep Iraq destabilised.
Its not a war on terror any more, the arabs are fighting for their survival.
As long as they can maintain Iraq as a war zone, the less chance there is of the US invading its next victim.
(I don't think M.Moore mentioned this...BTW.)
Its not a war on terror, its just a war.
That's why no-one else wants anything to do with it.
Footnote:
The Chinese must realise that they are the next boogeyman, after the Islamics, so its also in their interests too.
I would reckon that they would use N.Korea to move supplies and kit to the mid east.
[This message was edited by eek on July 05, 2004 at 01:01 PM.]
The policies of Bush create wonderful recruitment opportunities for the extremists.
The more people he brutalises, the more will join the extremists.
Unemployment of 50% plus in Iraq is another excellent pool of potential volunteers.
The US policy of invading countries it dislikes is another good reason for neighbouring countries to send in as many volunteers as possible to keep Iraq destabilised.
Its not a war on terror any more, the arabs are fighting for their survival.
As long as they can maintain Iraq as a war zone, the less chance there is of the US invading its next victim.
(I don't think M.Moore mentioned this...BTW.)
Its not a war on terror, its just a war.
That's why no-one else wants anything to do with it.
Footnote:
The Chinese must realise that they are the next boogeyman, after the Islamics, so its also in their interests too.
I would reckon that they would use N.Korea to move supplies and kit to the mid east.
[This message was edited by eek on July 05, 2004 at 01:01 PM.]
