As promised here's the exact reason Kerry will lose big.

GAMEFACE · Aug 12, 2004

Kerry will lose because Hillary and Bill Clinton want the White House back in 2008 and if it looks like Kerry has a chance they will end it.

When Hillary did not push her way in as VP that was a clear sign she was going to wait until 2008. Kerry was turned down by several people for VP and had to settle for Edwards. No one wanted to be on the losing team.

Make no mistake Bill and Hillary will not let Kerry win. They will say they support Kerry, however, when all is said and done they will make sure Kerry gets Deaned in the end.

Some of you may dispute this, all I'll say is watch and see.

FunkSoulBrother · Aug 12, 2004

Foolish republicans... everything is about Clinton to you. Wake up, its not 1998 anymore.

truthteller · Aug 12, 2004

Kerry will lose but not for that reason.

GAMEFACE · Aug 12, 2004

The Clintons control the Democratic machine thru Terry Mac. make no mistake about it. The Clintons control the liberal media also, look for the media to pick up on Kerrys poor senate record, Kerry-Hanoi Jane connection, and flip-flopping on just about every issue. The media crushed Deans hopes because the Clintons gave the word. The Clintons were hoping their guy Clark would have got the nomination when that didn't work Dean had to go. Without the Clintons backing the media covering these issues Kerry has a chance to fool everyone. Soon you will all have to admit this was correct. The polls are close and some show Kerry to be winning if Kerry loses by 5%-7% look to the Clintons.

xpanda · Aug 12, 2004

After the fall of the Tory gov't in the early nineties (Canada) they had their next leadership convention. The Tories knew that they would get slaughtered; public opinion was very hard on them. (This followed Free Trade and the GST.) The natural successor to Mulroney was Jean Charest. He was well-liked by Progressive Conservatives and Liberals alike. He was young, charismatic and from Quebec (they are a big voting block.) It made sense to elect him as Tory leader.

With Tory popularity tanking, the convention decided that instead of Charest, that they would elect Kim Campbell as their leader, despite the fact that most of Canada did not know who she was. She took over the party, who held power at the time, and became our de facto Prime Minister.

Six months later we had a Federal election. They got clobbered. The party expected this, and saved Charest for later.

The Democrats have likely always expected to be clobbered by Bush (keeping in mind that Abu Ghraib and the 9/11 Report and the Senate Intelligence Report were not public yet) and 'saved Hillary for later.' Kerry has always likely been a sacrificial lamb. Who knew that anti-Bushism could gain so much steam?

Banned4Life · Aug 12, 2004

Sheesh... and people call ME paranoid.

jointpleasures · Aug 12, 2004

Haven't heard the name 'Charest' in the news lately. Bush has been adequate for me as an independent minded neocon fundalmentist with religion, but I'm looking for better things from Bush in his second term. Bush wins with or without Clinton, but it's alway's nice to have the dirtiest bastard in politics on your side.

xpanda · Aug 12, 2004

Charest jumped ship and moved to the Liberal camp and is now the Premier of Quebec. The Tories went downhill after Mulroney and needed their 'alliance' with the uber-right Reform Party to revitalise themselves. Now they're just called the Conservatives.

And I doubt either Bush could beat either Clinton today.

Sonny2003 · Aug 12, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GAMEFACE:
The Clintons control the Democratic machine thru Terry Mac. make no mistake about it. The Clintons control the liberal media also, look for the media to pick up on Kerrys poor senate record, Kerry-Hanoi Jane connection, and flip-flopping on just about every issue. The media crushed Deans hopes because the Clintons gave the word. The Clintons were hoping their guy Clark would have got the nomination when that didn't work Dean had to go. Without the Clintons backing the media covering these issues Kerry has a chance to fool everyone. Soon you will all have to admit this was correct. The polls are close and some show Kerry to be winning if Kerry loses by 5%-7% look to the Clintons. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

With a post like that, I get the feeling that you try and incite the Kerry voters on this board. I CANNOT BELIEVE ANYONE CAN BE THAT STUPID AS YOU ARE SHOWING IN THIS POST.
Please tell me you are not that STUPID!!!!!!!

GAMEFACE · Aug 12, 2004

Sonnyboy,

If you are unable to think for yourself I can't help you. Exactly what did I post that was unreasonable. If you think Bill and Hillary are out of the picture you're either a fool or an idiot. Hillary is calling the shots in the DNC thru Terry Mac., think for once. Hillary will run in 2008. Dean was basically crushed over night.

Skyweasel · Aug 12, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GAMEFACE:
Sonnyboy,

If you are unable to think for yourself ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sonny, this is what we call unintentional comedy around here.

jointpleasures · Aug 12, 2004

Hope your right Game.

If you get yourself a ticket in vegas and start to feel bad about your pick (Bush), later, I'd take some of it!
Good luck

GAMEFACE · Aug 16, 2004

Sky,

When I'm right will you admit it or hide like a coward?

JayHarn3 · Aug 17, 2004

hey game,

when kerry wins, will you hide like a coward?

D2bets · Aug 17, 2004

How exactly will Hill and Hillary "end" Kerry's chance anyway? By buying George W. Bush a clue...and a brain? How?

GAMEFACE · Aug 17, 2004

D2,

Out of all the liberals I debate I actually read more of your post than others because some times you make sense. Think about it, Kerrys Vietnam record is a fraud, you know he did not deserve all the medals and no one got out of Vietnam in 4 months w/o serious injuries. Kerry voted against every defense system we now use over 19 years in the Senate, which has not been reported at all. Kerry missed alot of important intelligence meetings before and after 9-11 maybe more than 70%. He will not release the info on his attendance. If the media was to report this stuff Kerry loses easy. I believe the Clintons will give the word soon and the media will start to report this stuff like they did to Dean. Did you notice Dean was a huge front runner and then the media finally started to harp on all his flaws and he basically was crushed in the polls over night.

Jay,

If I'm wrong I'll admit I'm wrong, however, I'm confident this will happen. Hillary runs in 2008.

D2bets · Aug 17, 2004

The Vietnam thing is going nowhere. Anytime Vietnam is brought up it helps Kerry. Period.

As for some voting and meetings attendance. Eh. I just don't think people would much care. People care about 1. their pocketbooks 2. terrorism 3. the Iraq mess. Everything else is tangential, even a lot of Kerry's past. Bush's past is too.

The election will be decided by 1. the debates and 2. the get out the vote and mobilization efforts in key states. Make no mistake, it's going to be razor-thin close. Unless something earth-moving happens before the election, it is going to be extremely close and small things like getting out the vote and weather and of course voting problems and stuff like that could help determine the outcome.

The massive shift you seem to be predicting simply isn't going to happen unless there is an external event or events that cause it (i.e. a t rror attack, Bin Laden caught, etc).

And the Clintons certainly won't cause it. There is nothing that the Clintons could dream of doing that Rove and Co. wouldn't already be more than happy to do on their own. Do Bill and Hillar secretly want Kerry to lose? Maybe. I actually don't think so, but maybe. But even if they do, would or could they do anything about it? No way. They don't have as much power as you seem to thin they have.

GAMEFACE · Aug 18, 2004

D2,

By most accounts Kerry is leading by a couple of % or it's roughly tie. If Kerry ends up like Dean and loses big. I believe it will be no fluke. Watch and see, the items I mentioned are big if the media harps on them daily. They are big enough for Kerry to lose by 5-10%

D2bets · Aug 18, 2004

I don't think Kerry can lose by that much because they is just a certain number out there who are going to vote against Bush no matter what, even if they find out Kerry is a child molester or something.

But it's interesting, I think Bush is running a dirty, nasty, negative campaign because he knows opinions are pretty well-formed on him and are not likely to change much, but Kerry is more unknown and he needs to make him seem like more of a demon than himself.

A pretty sad election election this is.

Skyweasel · Aug 18, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GAMEFACE:
Sky,

When I'm right will you admit it or hide like a coward? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you're an amusing diversion, Game. Also I told you a long time ago you were the shining proof of the ancient adage that the unexamined life is not worth living.

As for that 'enemy within' stuff you are always on about, try some Ex-Lax.

See you 'round the funny papers my man