haha, haters hating now
The C's overachieved this season and beat every team standing in their way except for a pretty good Cleveland team playing really good.
In the NBA, the way it's played and officiated, you have to have that megastar, they don't, they rely on team play and they have to play well as a unit. It looks like they reached their pinnacle for the year, no shame in that. It was a fun season for them
Going forward, they're one of the youngest teams in the league and young players get both stronger and better, while experience is the world's greatest teacher. They'll only benefit from this experience going forward.
they also own the number 1 pick this year, their own pick next year as well as the Nets number 1 pick for next year which will almost certainly be another top 4
they have young foreign kids from last year's class developing in the minors (D league and abroad)
they have an abundance of youth and assets and potential, but they need that heavyweight megastar
PS: I'm glad we went to the Mohegan Sun last night and I didn't have to watch that garbage, fugly
The C's overachieved this season and beat every team standing in their way except for a pretty good Cleveland team playing really good.
In the NBA, the way it's played and officiated, you have to have that megastar, they don't, they rely on team play and they have to play well as a unit. It looks like they reached their pinnacle for the year, no shame in that. It was a fun season for them
Going forward, they're one of the youngest teams in the league and young players get both stronger and better, while experience is the world's greatest teacher. They'll only benefit from this experience going forward.
they also own the number 1 pick this year, their own pick next year as well as the Nets number 1 pick for next year which will almost certainly be another top 4
they have young foreign kids from last year's class developing in the minors (D league and abroad)
they have an abundance of youth and assets and potential, but they need that heavyweight megastar
PS: I'm glad we went to the Mohegan Sun last night and I didn't have to watch that garbage, fugly
Why should they be able to compete?
The Cavs are a much better and more experienced team and the Celts best player is hurt to boot. The guy who generates the lions share of their offense.
It has nothing to do with being scared or some other narrative, the Cavs are just much better. That's why they were -700 w/o homecourt. Shit happens. Not every game is a soap opera (or maybe it is if you listen to the media)
Sometimes you take the court and there is someone better on the opposite side. Has nothing to do with a lack of fight or "heart" or some other overrated intangible that ESPN told people was the key ingredient to win sporting events over the last 20 years.
The Cavs are a much better and more experienced team and the Celts best player is hurt to boot. The guy who generates the lions share of their offense.
It has nothing to do with being scared or some other narrative, the Cavs are just much better. That's why they were -700 w/o homecourt. Shit happens. Not every game is a soap opera (or maybe it is if you listen to the media)
Sometimes you take the court and there is someone better on the opposite side. Has nothing to do with a lack of fight or "heart" or some other overrated intangible that ESPN told people was the key ingredient to win sporting events over the last 20 years.
It might be an outlier result, but the Celts getting killed by the Cavs is basically what is supposed to happen, especially with IT hurt.
Then all these other guys have to increase their roles and they aren't good enough to do so. Trust me, Marcus Smart isn't scared but if he has to create offense in the conference finals then it is going to be ugly.
Horford samething, just can't handle an outsized role against a superior defender than he has seen in the first 2 rounds. Tristan Thompson did same thing to him the last 2 years.
If they played less scared what do you think the result would be? It's minimal either way, maybe they lose by 20 instead of 40. The difference between these teams right now is talent+health.
Then all these other guys have to increase their roles and they aren't good enough to do so. Trust me, Marcus Smart isn't scared but if he has to create offense in the conference finals then it is going to be ugly.
Horford samething, just can't handle an outsized role against a superior defender than he has seen in the first 2 rounds. Tristan Thompson did same thing to him the last 2 years.
If they played less scared what do you think the result would be? It's minimal either way, maybe they lose by 20 instead of 40. The difference between these teams right now is talent+health.
I firmly believed the celtics were good enough to split the first 2 games. thomas wasn't hurt until he was down 40, and he wasn't playing his game even before that. smart was probably the only one who was engaged. celtics had plenty of WIDE open shots that were flat out bricked. its a make or miss league. letting the cavs big 3 shoot something like 65% is on the celtics, not the talent disparity. we can agree to disagree
One of the guys from Mike & Mike show said something last week that makes sense.
He said the Celtics are pretty good at the wrong time.
He added that trading their #1 pick for another player wouldn't be enough to overtaken LeBron, and that they should draft the player of their choice, and build slowly, to give LeBron time to slow down.
He is dead on because we saw some great teams like the Utah Jazz & others compete for a championship at the unfortunate time Michael Jordan was around...
yeah I probably wouldn't trade the pick. Fultz looks pretty legit, Jaylen Brown is gonna be really good too. He is only 19.
Nets should suck again next year so another good pick (although they do have tons of cap room so buying 10 wins worth of players and the pick being in the 8-10 range rather than top 3-4 is certain possible. I'm sure they are sick of the C's humiliating them)
Big issue the C's gotta decide on is what to do with Isaiah Thomas (FA in 2018 and will want a big contract) I'm not sure what will happen with him, he's a good player but if you think Fultz is the real deal you can't really just have him backing up IT for 3 years. It would be a unique setup at the very least.
Another thing is even beyond the Cavs, the Warriors are a phenomenon that won't happen again. A situation where a top 3-4 player in the league was available and arguably the best team had cap room to sign the player because of an exploding salary cap. Something like that will just never happen again really. Tough to want to push all the chips in when those 2 obstacles are in the way. There's always gonna be elite teams but those 2 are outliers even compared to past years.
Nets should suck again next year so another good pick (although they do have tons of cap room so buying 10 wins worth of players and the pick being in the 8-10 range rather than top 3-4 is certain possible. I'm sure they are sick of the C's humiliating them)
Big issue the C's gotta decide on is what to do with Isaiah Thomas (FA in 2018 and will want a big contract) I'm not sure what will happen with him, he's a good player but if you think Fultz is the real deal you can't really just have him backing up IT for 3 years. It would be a unique setup at the very least.
Another thing is even beyond the Cavs, the Warriors are a phenomenon that won't happen again. A situation where a top 3-4 player in the league was available and arguably the best team had cap room to sign the player because of an exploding salary cap. Something like that will just never happen again really. Tough to want to push all the chips in when those 2 obstacles are in the way. There's always gonna be elite teams but those 2 are outliers even compared to past years.
Curious if Boston supporters would agree with the notion that the Celtics will/should basically blow the team up moving forward. This is something I've been hearing from Celtic supporters for the last year or so. I've been hearing comments like, "the Celtics will be really good, really soon, but that team will have zero major contributors from this team on it". They are in an interesting situation with the young phenom head coach in place, extra high draft picks, money, etc., to where they could completely make over the team within a short cycle.
I don't follow closely enough, but I seem to keep hearing consistent messaging along the lines of the team really overachieved, crediting Stevens for his excellent work and preparation. Yet, that is typically followed up with the players simply aren't there to compete with the upper echelon teams within the league, especially the powerful Western conference.
Do you think this is a add a piece of two situation or we will see major moves that totally remake the squad?
I don't follow closely enough, but I seem to keep hearing consistent messaging along the lines of the team really overachieved, crediting Stevens for his excellent work and preparation. Yet, that is typically followed up with the players simply aren't there to compete with the upper echelon teams within the league, especially the powerful Western conference.
Do you think this is a add a piece of two situation or we will see major moves that totally remake the squad?
It'll be easier to answer that question in a month and a half after the draft and FA are basically over.
We'll know if they got Gordon Hayward in free agency and who they took in the draft and what that could possibly mean for IT's future with the team. He is going to want the most $ he can get I'd assume, hasn't really made a ton in his career compared to other guys and at age 29 this is really his big chance to cash in. I'm just not sure he is long for the team if they take Ball/Fultz with the #1 pick.
My guess is they try to keep competing with the current crop while bringing the young guys along slowly. Then evaluate which direction to go in after next season. Thomas, Bradley are FA's, Horford will be a year older. So perhaps if next season doesn't go well then they could change direction. But that is tougher to do than people think, you got a 50-55 win team selling tickets and generating interest. It is a business "at the end of the day", nobody really wants to just punt 5 seasons like Philly waiting for young guys to develop.
Too many moving parts right now to say definitively though.
We'll know if they got Gordon Hayward in free agency and who they took in the draft and what that could possibly mean for IT's future with the team. He is going to want the most $ he can get I'd assume, hasn't really made a ton in his career compared to other guys and at age 29 this is really his big chance to cash in. I'm just not sure he is long for the team if they take Ball/Fultz with the #1 pick.
My guess is they try to keep competing with the current crop while bringing the young guys along slowly. Then evaluate which direction to go in after next season. Thomas, Bradley are FA's, Horford will be a year older. So perhaps if next season doesn't go well then they could change direction. But that is tougher to do than people think, you got a 50-55 win team selling tickets and generating interest. It is a business "at the end of the day", nobody really wants to just punt 5 seasons like Philly waiting for young guys to develop.
Too many moving parts right now to say definitively though.
not at all, I think I've made my opinions known already
now the Boston media, that's a different story, a lot of those assholes still question Bill Belichick. Just this year they called his supporters stupid after he traded Jamie Collins mid season. They said he was blowing their chances to win the SB.
I kinda like the team concept, they do have to get stronger, but there's no other LBJ on the horizon to keep them down forever
