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it's a good article but she is (over)stating the obvious and belabouring the point. I d prefer a make love not war banner rather than this overindulgent prose by an upper class british educated indian booker prize winner, from an upper class establishment british newspaper implicitly backing this war, or the potical and financial interests behind it. Since when did the guardian turn lefty and independent? What's happening here collective guilt turned into tons of articles on war polemics?

Sheeehhh...

In her words:

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great link maria. roy is one for whom i have untold respect.

an "embedded" CNN correspondent interviewed an American soldier. "I wanna get in there and get my nose dirty," Private AJ said. "I wanna take revenge for 9/11."

To be fair to the correspondent, even though he was "embedded" he did sort of weakly suggest that so far there was no real evidence that linked the Iraqi government to the September 11 attacks. Private AJ stuck his teenage tongue out all the way down to the end of his chin. "Yeah, well that stuff's way over my head," he said.

According to a New York Times/CBS News survey, 42 per cent of the American public believes that Saddam Hussein is directly responsible for the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. And an ABC news poll says that 55 per cent of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein directly supports al-Qaida. What percentage of America's armed forces believe these fabrications is anybody's guess.


After using the "good offices" of UN diplomacy (economic sanctions and weapons inspections) to ensure that Iraq was brought to its knees, its people starved, half a million of its children killed, its infrastructure severely damaged, after making sure that most of its weapons have been destroyed, in an act of cowardice that must surely be unrivalled in history, the "Allies"/"Coalition of the Willing"(better known as the Coalition of the Bullied and Bought) - sent in an invading army!

Operation Iraqi Freedom? I don't think so. It's more like Operation Let's Run a Race, but First Let Me Break Your Knees.


It's become clear that the war against terror is not really about terror, and the war on Iraq not only about oil. It's about a superpower's self-destructive impulse towards supremacy, stranglehold, global hegemony.

In most parts of the world, the invasion of Iraq is being seen as a racist war. The real danger of a racist war unleashed by racist regimes is that it engenders racism in everybody - perpetrators, victims, spectators. It sets the parameters for the debate, it lays out a grid for a particular way of thinking. There is a tidal wave of hatred for the US rising from the ancient heart of the world. In Africa, Latin America, Asia, Europe, Australia. I encounter it every day. Sometimes it comes from the most unlikely sources. Bankers, businessmen, yuppie students, and they bring to it all the crassness of their conservative, illiberal politics. That absurd inability to separate governments from people: America is a nation of morons, a nation of murderers, they say, (with the same carelessness with which they say, "All Muslims are terrorists"). Even in the grotesque universe of racist insult, the British make their entry as add-ons. Arse-lickers, they're called.

Regardless of what the propaganda machine tells us, these tin-pot dictators are not the greatest threat to the world. The real and pressing danger, the greatest threat of all is the locomotive force that drives the political and economic engine of the US government, currently piloted by George Bush. Bush-bashing is fun, because he makes such an easy, sumptuous target. It's true that he is a dangerous, almost suicidal pilot, but the machine he handles is far more dangerous than the man himself.

Despite the pall of gloom that hangs over us today, I'd like to file a cautious plea for hope: in times of war, one wants one's weakest enemy at the helm of his forces. And President George W Bush is certainly that. Any other even averagely intelligent US president would have probably done the very same things, but would have managed to smoke-up the glass and confuse the opposition. Perhaps even carry the UN with him. Bush's tactless imprudence and his brazen belief that he can run the world with his riot squad, has done the opposite.
 

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"The God of Small Things".

i think the most beautifully written book i have ever read.

has anyone read "infinite jest" by david foster wallace??
 
Indeed I was missing a "c", but unfortunately I cannot edit it after "60 minutes.

Thanks for the heads up Entropy.
 
Not to be misunderstood here I both like and respect roy, and also enjoyed her prize winning book which albeit the overornamented diction had a sort of mesmerizing quality to it that i enjoyed, kinda of reminded me of gabriel garcia marquez.

Besides that i am getting a bit tired with this anti war retoric bandwagon which everyone has been jumping in on regardless of their political agendas, just to have a piece of the populatiry with the crowds pie, that of course would not wholly apply to roy who has been an outspoken critic of u.s. imperialistic tactics for some time now, but i cant stand the guardian assuming a leftist facade just to sell a few more papers riding the waves of the anti war movement.
 
fvcking hell, a decent thread cant stay afloat in this forum for more than a few secs because fatfrank is dropping his depleted uranium redneck war mon ging threads at the speed of light.
 
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frank hasn't posted here...
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i guess his point was FF was opening so many other threads.

JD gabriel garcia marquez us also one of my favourite authors but roy's "overornamented diction", as you put it outmesmerised marquez.

for the ultimate in same read "infinite jest".
 

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Arundhati Roy --- excerpts from 13/05/03 speech.

When the United States invaded Iraq, a New York Times/CBS News survey estimated that 42 per cent of the American public believed that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. And an ABC News poll said that 55 per cent of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein directly supported Al Qaeda. None of this opinion is based on evidence (because there isn't any). All of it is based on insinuation, auto-suggestion and outright lies circulated by the US corporate media, otherwise known as the 'Free Press', that hollow pillar on which contemporary American democracy rests.

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I'm no military historian, but when was the last time a war was fought like this?

After using the 'good offices' of UN diplomacy (economic sanctions and weapons inspections) to ensure that Iraq was brought to its knees, its people starved, half a million children dead, its infrastructure severely damaged, after making sure that most of its weapons had been destroyed, in an act of cowardice that must surely be unrivalled in history, the 'Coalition of the Willing' (better known as the Coalition of the Bullied and Bought) sent in an invading army!

Operation Iraqi Freedom? I don't think so. It was more like Operation Let's Run a Race, but First Let Me Break Your Knees.

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Arcing across this subterfuge, dwarfing it by the sheer magnitude of its malevolence, is America's anti-terrorism legislation. The USA Patriot Act, passed on October 13, 2001, has become the blueprint for similar anti-terrorism bills in countries across the world. It was passed in the House of Representatives by a majority vote of 337 to 79. According to the New York Times, "Many lawmakers said it had been impossible to truly debate or even read the legislation."

The Patriot Act ushers in an era of systemic automated surveillance. It gives the government the authority to monitor phones and computers and spy on people in ways that would have seemed completely unacceptable a few years ago. It gives the FBI the power to seize all of the circulation, purchasing and other records of library users and bookstore customers on the suspicion that they are part of a terrorist network. It blurs the boundaries between speech and criminal activity, creating the space to construe acts of civil disobedience as violating the law.

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The US government has already displayed in no uncertain terms the range and extent of its capability for paranoid aggression. In human psychology, paranoid aggression is usually an indicator of nervous insecurity. It could be argued that it's no different in the case of the psychology of nations. Empire is paranoid because it has a soft underbelly.

Its homeland may be defended by border patrols and nuclear weapons, but its economy is strung out across the globe. Its economic outposts are exposed and vulnerable. Already the Internet is buzzing with elaborate lists of American and British government products and companies that should be boycotted. Apart from the usual targets-Coke, Pepsi, McDonald's-government agencies like USAID, the British DFID, British and American banks, Arthur Andersen, Merrill Lynch, American Express could find themselves under siege. These lists are being honed and refined by activists across the world. They could become a practical guide that directs the amorphous but growing fury in the world.

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The battle to reclaim democracy is going to be a difficult one. Our freedoms were not granted to us by any governments. They were wrested from them by us. And once we surrender them, the battle to retrieve them is called a revolution. It is a battle that must range across continents and countries. It must not acknowledge national boundaries, but, if it is to succeed, it has to begin here. In America. The only institution more powerful than the US government is American civil society. The rest of us are subjects of slave nations. We are by no means powerless, but you have the power of proximity. You have access to the Imperial Palace and the Emperor's chambers. Empire's conquests are being carried out in your name, and you have the right to refuse. You could refuse to fight. Refuse to move those missiles from the warehouse to the dock. Refuse to wave that flag. Refuse the victory parade. You have a rich tradition of resistance. You need only read Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States to remind yourself of this.

Hundreds of thousands of you have survived the relentless propaganda you have been subjected to, and are actively fighting your own government. In the ultra-patriotic climate that prevails in the United States, that's as brave as any Iraqi or Afghan or Palestinian fighting for his or her homeland. If you join the battle, not in your hundreds of thousands, but in your millions, you will be greeted joyously by the rest of the world. And you will see how beautiful it is to be gentle instead of brutal, safe instead of scared. Befriended instead of isolated. Loved instead of hated.

I hate to disagree with your president. Yours is by no means a great nation. But you could be a great people.

History is giving you the chance. Seize the time.
 

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Just want to say hi to everyone now. It will not last long so hello to everyone and now on to the good news.

I hear Journeyscum is still trying to scam people for money. He already owes Dell money and refuses to pay. He is now a respected member of the RX and loved by all. He uses the word "we" in his posts like he owns the site. Maybe he scammed Kenny out of his site. Nothing like one scammer scamming another. If a guys posts 16 hrs a day is he considered a loser? And no the mods don't have to answer. Afterall you guys have a reason to post all day long. You make $6 hr. That makes is ok to be considered a sociopath.

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Kenny-Correct me if I'm wrong but my calculations the bitch should be down to 37 days. have we made arrangements yet? If not i'm sure Journeyscam or Unclescumnutts of your whipping bitch Dante or your drunken lackey General could loan you some scratch to put her in the ground properly. Oh i forgot you jews do it "wall" style.

That is all for now. Buenos Noche and A fond fu(k you to the staff at the RX.
 

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Can i work here? you must be more than mildly insane in order to place the above post in this thread !!!
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..has always, since ever I can remember, been the mouthpiece of the trade union movement, the Greenham Common oddballs and other sundries who think a life of parabolic luxury should be funded by the government.
Course, the latter group would be hard pushed to find time between broad sheet news and Temptation Island.
Tricky.

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You could put them in camps Peter, with numbers on their arms.

Then only the normal people like you would be left.
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I only give you this shit cos your a brit.
A yank would be a waste of key presses.
 

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