hno:hno:hno:hno:hno:Punter and the lefties totally ignore the real issue, not injured patients, but frivolous lawsuits
the fucking ambulance chasers have virtual fucking late night infomercials for heaven's sake, that should tell you something
filing a lawsuit looking for a settlement is not justice, it's stealing. Why do insurance companies settle? because hiring a law firm, hiring a professional witness and simply taking depositions PREPARING FOR TRIAL costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Doctors are not God, even though the likes of a Punter think Obama is one. Medicine is not an exact science and every time a baby is born abnormally, somebody doesn't have to give a drug addicted smoking expecting mother money, no matter what the Punters of the world think.
Most Doctors, like most people, are hard working good and honest people, not some fucking evil monsters the looney left thinks they are.
The other day at the county hospt. here one of your good hardworking oft maligned doctors removed the wrong leg.
You think that people like me are fools to think that all involved should be punished to a point that better procedures are enacted. and that the victim be compensated. Life would be a lot tougher with no legs than it is with one.
You think that people like me are fools to think that all involved should be punished to a point that better procedures are enacted. and that the victim be compensated. Life would be a lot tougher with no legs than it is with one.
that Dr deserves to be sued, and his reputation and income will also take a hit.
did you know in your world of socialized medicine liability is limited? how ironic is that?hno:hno:hno:
so Punter wants socialized medicine, he still wants to sue doctors for anything and everything without any reasonableness standard, he wants medical professionals to earn less while treating more patients, he wants pharmaceuticals to earn less on their successful research totally disregarding the fact that hundreds of millions are spent on fruitless research and here's the kicker
at the end of the day the quality of healthcare is going to increase too
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you gotta have faith I guess
did you know in your world of socialized medicine liability is limited? how ironic is that?
hno:hno:hno:so Punter wants socialized medicine, he still wants to sue doctors for anything and everything without any reasonableness standard, he wants medical professionals to earn less while treating more patients, he wants pharmaceuticals to earn less on their successful research totally disregarding the fact that hundreds of millions are spent on fruitless research and here's the kicker
at the end of the day the quality of healthcare is going to increase too
<<<<<<you gotta have faith I guess
so you think patients don't die in your socialized medicine countries where they limit medical malpractice?
doctors aren't god, get in the game already
people have been dying since baby Jesus's daddy created Adam & Eve.
Looks to me that HealthGrades Inc. has a vested interest in seeing these bloated numbers reported. There appears to be a considerable amount of subjectivity in the studies they cite.
Call me a doubting Thomas. I don't believe that there was proveable negligence in the vast majority of those numbers.
There is no such thing as perfection when humans are involved. To hold the medical community to such an impossible standard is silly and costly to all of us.
Tort reform is essential to the discussion of reduced healthcare costs.
The solution? I don't know. But I've never believed in enriching a bereaved party. It is the ultimate bastardization of money.
Censure the doctor, nurse, or hospital. Publish blacklists. Pull liscenses after multiple offenses.
Get money out of the equation and our premiums would drop dramatically.
Call me a doubting Thomas. I don't believe that there was proveable negligence in the vast majority of those numbers.
There is no such thing as perfection when humans are involved. To hold the medical community to such an impossible standard is silly and costly to all of us.
Tort reform is essential to the discussion of reduced healthcare costs.
The solution? I don't know. But I've never believed in enriching a bereaved party. It is the ultimate bastardization of money.
Censure the doctor, nurse, or hospital. Publish blacklists. Pull liscenses after multiple offenses.
Get money out of the equation and our premiums would drop dramatically.
lets sum this up, eh
people die in socialized medicine countries just like they do here
people also die in socialized medicine countries because they're waiting in line, but I guess that's not really the doctor's fault.
your socialized medicine countries limit fucking lawsuits, do you know why?
there is zero correlation between litigation and improved health care, but there is significant correlation between lawsuits and costs.
medicine is not an exact science, and people die from natural causes. Stated differently, the medical profession is not God.
when a legitimate medical mistake was made, there should be compensation, but we have to stop frivolous gold digging lawsuits, which far outnumber legitimate lawsuits.
people die in socialized medicine countries just like they do here
people also die in socialized medicine countries because they're waiting in line, but I guess that's not really the doctor's fault.
your socialized medicine countries limit fucking lawsuits, do you know why?
there is zero correlation between litigation and improved health care, but there is significant correlation between lawsuits and costs.
medicine is not an exact science, and people die from natural causes. Stated differently, the medical profession is not God.
when a legitimate medical mistake was made, there should be compensation, but we have to stop frivolous gold digging lawsuits, which far outnumber legitimate lawsuits.
the actual terminology is "potentially preventable medical errors", not "medical errors that could have been prevented easily".
The Healthgrades study was based on a model developed by two Dr's, who examined Medicare admissions and applied their chosen assumptions from looking at medicare patient charts and extrapolating their number. A tweak here and there, pigs can fly and half the world already died from the AIDs epicdemic. The two Dr's started their study to prove there were a lot of wrongful deaths to justify the existence of their newly formed "Healthgrades Inc". :think2:
Obvioulsy, good and smart people disagree about their findings.
The first study about hospital deaths from 1999 estimated the deaths to be between 42,000 and 98,000, not the widely circulated 98,000.
how many of these people that died were terminally ill?
how many were elderly, maybe over 80 years old or more?
obviously, since the Healthgrades study was based on medicare admissions and only medicare admissions, the overwhelming majority, nearly 100% of the patients would be over 65 years old.
According to a Wiki citation, a subsequent study by the JAMA of the original study from 1999 said only 1 in 10,000 patients would have lived more then 90 days if optimal care had been provided.
Obviously, old and sick people tend to die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_malpractice
how many were elderly, maybe over 80 years old or more?
obviously, since the Healthgrades study was based on medicare admissions and only medicare admissions, the overwhelming majority, nearly 100% of the patients would be over 65 years old.
According to a Wiki citation, a subsequent study by the JAMA of the original study from 1999 said only 1 in 10,000 patients would have lived more then 90 days if optimal care had been provided.
Obviously, old and sick people tend to die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_malpractice
I don't deny mistakes are made, just as they are in every profession, but i don't give much weight to highly subjective and possibly biased studies that other knowledgeable people disagree with.
http://www.weitzlux.com/malpractice/doctornurse/statistics_4653.html
• Plaintiffs won 27% of medical malpractice cases in 75 of the largest counties in the US 2001 (Bureau of Justice Statistics)
• Nearly 50% of malpractice trials were against surgeons in 75 of the largest counties in the US 2001 (Bureau of Justice Statistics)
• Nearly 33% of malpractice trials were against nonsurgeons in 75 of the largest counties in the US 2001 (Bureau of Justice Statistics)
• Estimated 25% of practicing physicians sued annually (When Good Doctors Get Sued, 2001)
• 18,999 medical malpractice payment reports were made in the US 2002 (2002 Annual Report, National Practitioner Data Bank, US DHHS)
• Estimated 50-65% physicians sued at least once during their career (When Good Doctors Get Sued, 2001)
• 80.4% of medical malpractice payment reports were against physicians in the US 2002 (2002 Annual Report, National Practitioner Data Bank, US DHHS)
• 191,804 medical malpractice reports were made to the National Practitioner Databank regarding physicians in the US 1990-2004 (NPDB Summary Report, National Practitioner Data Bank, US DHHS)
• 1,530 medical malpractice reports were made to the National Practitioner Databank regarding resident or intern physician in the US 1990-2004 (NPDB Summary Report, National Practitioner Data Bank, US DHHS)
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plaintiffs lose 73% of the time
80% of worldwide medical malpractice payments are paid in the USA (fucking wow)
• Plaintiffs won 27% of medical malpractice cases in 75 of the largest counties in the US 2001 (Bureau of Justice Statistics)
• Nearly 50% of malpractice trials were against surgeons in 75 of the largest counties in the US 2001 (Bureau of Justice Statistics)
• Nearly 33% of malpractice trials were against nonsurgeons in 75 of the largest counties in the US 2001 (Bureau of Justice Statistics)
• Estimated 25% of practicing physicians sued annually (When Good Doctors Get Sued, 2001)
• 18,999 medical malpractice payment reports were made in the US 2002 (2002 Annual Report, National Practitioner Data Bank, US DHHS)
• Estimated 50-65% physicians sued at least once during their career (When Good Doctors Get Sued, 2001)
• 80.4% of medical malpractice payment reports were against physicians in the US 2002 (2002 Annual Report, National Practitioner Data Bank, US DHHS)
• 191,804 medical malpractice reports were made to the National Practitioner Databank regarding physicians in the US 1990-2004 (NPDB Summary Report, National Practitioner Data Bank, US DHHS)
• 1,530 medical malpractice reports were made to the National Practitioner Databank regarding resident or intern physician in the US 1990-2004 (NPDB Summary Report, National Practitioner Data Bank, US DHHS)
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plaintiffs lose 73% of the time
80% of worldwide medical malpractice payments are paid in the USA (fucking wow)
