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I was just on some web site that claims 1185 American casualties since the war began and some where between 14000-16500 civilian casualties.
Does anyone know if those numbers are out of date and if so where I can find more current info?
 

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doc mercer said:
Over 100,000 Iraqi children/ civilians have been killed since the war started last March ...

The "Bullshit" alarm on my computer is blinking bright red. Doc, a few more days of your comments and my laptop is going to melt down.
 
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The 'Lancet', Britain's most respected medical research journal, has published results of a survey showing a ten-fold increase in estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths as a direct result of the Anglo-American invasion.

Previous figures of non-combatants killed varied from 10 to 15 thousand. This latest data put the figure at 100,000.

Richard Horton, editor of the 'Lancet', commented that both he and the researchers were shocked by the massive number of innocent deaths. Commenting on their reliability, Horton stated they were 'subjected to the most rigorous peer review and statistical analysis', and he stands by their accuracy.

The data were obtained in face-to-face interviews with 1,000 Iraqi households chosen at random throughout the besieged country. Detailed questions were posed about the deaths of relatives, and the circumstances, together with a request to see death certificates. US and UK forces make no effort to record the numbers of civilians killed in their assaults; pre-war planners allowed for 10,000 civilian deaths.

This survey is the most detailed attempt to gain an accurate figure since the war began. Even anti-war organizations are shocked at the gruesome tally, which exceeds their rough estimates by far.

The survey showed that most of the deaths were women and children killed in US bombing raids, and that the number of casualties has actually increased since the war was declared 'over'.

Dr. Les Roberts, who oversaw the study by scientists from the US Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said: "Making conservative assumptions, we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more, have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Violence accounted for most of the excess deaths and air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most of the violent deaths."
 
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=400 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=bottom>The World's No.1 Science & Technology News Service</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- end headline --><!-- end headline --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=370 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=space8 align=left> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=space5 align=left> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>Civilian death toll in Iraq exceeds 100,000

</TD></TR><TR><TD class=space5 align=left> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left><SMALL class=blu>Updated 13:05 29 October 04</SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD class=space5 align=left> </TD></TR><TR><TD><SMALL class=blu>NewScientist.com news service</SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD class=space8 align=left> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>The invasion of Iraq in March 2003 by coalition forces has lead to the death of at least 100,000 civilians, reveals the first scientific study to examine the issue

100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, says study

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Sarah Boseley, health editor
Friday October 29, 2004
The Guardian


[/font][font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]About 100,000 Iraqi civilians - half of them women and children - have died in Iraq since the invasion, mostly as a result of airstrikes by coalition forces, according to the first reliable study of the death toll from Iraqi and US public health experts.
The study, which was carried out in 33 randomly-chosen neighbourhoods of Iraq representative of the entire population, shows that violence is now the leading cause of death in Iraq. Before the invasion, most people died of heart attacks, stroke and chronic illness. The risk of a violent death is now 58 times higher than it was before the invasion.

<CENTER>100,000 Civilian Women And Children Killed In Iraq By Coalition Forces


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The above is a direct quote from "Mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: cluster sample survey" a survey conducted by researchers Les Roberts, Riyadh Lafta, Richard Garfield, Jamal Khudhairi, and Gilbert Burnham.


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Doc, that Lancet article has been debunked.

http://www.techcentralstation.com/110104H.html

We thus witness the further erosion of the reputation of Britain's former leading medical journal. Recently it's been embarrassed by two other reports. One tied childhood vaccines to autism, but turned out to have been paid for by a trial lawyer representing children in the study. The other combined 14 studies of antioxidant supplements, of which some showed protective effects, some showed no effect, and one showed a negative effect. It thereby concluded antioxidant supplements can kill you.

Now The Lancet has become Al-Jazeera on the Thames.
 
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Well ....

We can guess easily that we have killed over 3-4 times as many of their civilians as were killed here in the USA on 9-11 ... in a country that has been proven to have no ties to that tragic day

If we were at war with the right country, I would have no problems but since 15 of the hijackers are from Saudi Arabia I have a real problem with our "we have freed the Iraqis from a brutal dictator" crap we hear from the White House as the excuse after the "WMD's" and "They will greet us as Liberators" fell apart ...

If I recall in a 92 interview .. Cheney said that in 1991 it was not worth risking American lives to remove Hussein from power ... in 2003 Israel did not even have Iraq in their Top 5 threats

Explain the logic to the tax payers who have footed this 300 billion dollar "Nation Building" project (which, by the way, in the debates of 2000 Bush said he would not be a nation builder) and that to the 1100 plus American families who have buried their young kids

This is a stupid war ....
 

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As a "religious" man I wonder how bush justifies this when he contemplates meeting his maker.
 

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