Are our minds tricked into thinking that our consciousness resides in our body?

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"Your mind tricked you to feel the pain."
-From "Silent Lucidity" by Queensryche

There is a study going on in Sweden that tricks people into thinking they are residing in another person's body or in a mannequin.

Two cameras were positioned in the head of a mannequin along with motion control devices. A person then put on a head covering that showed each camera viewpoint in front of each eye, kind of like a virtual reality headset. When a person moved their head the mannequin moved its head so when the person looked at their own feet they could see the mannequin's feet and torso. It was as if the mannequin's viewpoint were their own.

When an object touched the mannequin's body an identical object was touched on the participant's body in the same place, furthering the illusion that the person was in the mannequin's body. When a bread knife was slid across the torso of the mannequin, most participants felt a heightened sense of anxiety.

Is our consciousness really in another place and our minds are fooled into thinking we reside in our own body?

Is life really a virtual reality computer program where we are given remote control over our own body and when our body dies we return to the imaging chamber?

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Here's the Reuters article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081203/od_nm/us_body_swap

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Researchers using closed-circuit televisions to create an illusion have made volunteers virtually swap bodies, even making women believe they were in a man's body and vice-versa.

The experiment, reported in the Public Library of Science journal PLoS ONE on Tuesday, shows it is possible to manipulate the human mind to create the perception of having another body, the Swedish researchers said.

It helps explain how humans understand the limits of their own bodies, Valeria Petkova and Henrik Ehrsson of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm reported.

They set up a series of experiments aimed at fooling their volunteers, each an extension of a common illusion in which people can be fooled into thinking a rubber hand is their own.

For the illusion, the volunteer's real hand is concealed and stroked at the same time the visible rubber hand is. The brain will often trick the volunteer into truly feeling as if the rubber hand is his or her own hand.

Petkova and Ehrsson went further, using a closed-circuit camera to fool their volunteers into believing a rubber mannequin was in fact their own body -- and eventually, that another human being was.

"This effect is so robust that, while experiencing being in another person's body, a participant can face his or her biological body and shake hands with it without breaking the illusion," they wrote.

They started with a life-sized mannequin.

"Two closed-circuit television cameras were positioned on a male mannequin such that each recorded events from the position corresponding to one of the mannequin's eyes," they wrote.

"A set of head-mounted displays connected to the cameras was worn by the participants, and connected in such a way that the images from the left and right video cameras were presented on the left and right eye displays, respectively, providing a true stereoscopic image," they added.

"Participants were asked to tilt their heads downwards as if looking down at their bodies. Thus, the participants saw the mannequin's body where they expected to see their own."

As in the rubber hand illusion, the experimenters touched the volunteers' bodies at the same time as they touched the mannequin.

"...it was evident that the participants had felt the mannequin's body to be their own body," they wrote.

Finally, they tried a full body swap between two volunteers and it worked.

The illusion only goes so far. The researchers said they could not fool their volunteers into thinking they were a box, for example.
 
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its really freaky you mentioned this I am watching the movie incubus right now
 

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"Your mind tricked you to feel the pain."
-From "Silent Lucidity" by Queensryche

There is a study going on in Sweden that tricks people into thinking they are residing in another person's body or in a mannequin.

Two cameras were positioned in the head of a mannequin along with motion control devices. A person then put on a head covering that showed each camera viewpoint in front of each eye, kind of like a virtual reality headset. When a person moved their head the mannequin moved its head so when the person looked at their own feet they could see the mannequin's feet and torso. It was as if the mannequin's viewpoint were their own.

When an object touched the mannequin's body an identical object was touched on the participant's body in the same place, furthering the illusion that the person was in the mannequin's body. When a bread knife was slid across the torso of the mannequin, most participants felt a heightened sense of anxiety.

Is our consciousness really in another place and our minds are fooled into thinking we reside in our own body?

Is life really a virtual reality computer program where we are given remote control over our own body and when our body dies we return to the imaging chamber?

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Here's the Reuters article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081203/od_nm/us_body_swap

Quantum,

Is there more stuff? Where'd you see or read the examples you were mentioning? (eg. the knife slicing , etc) Very interesting.

I guess it is somewhat understandable. How many times have you or any man watched stunt footage gone wrong and somewhat felt the pain? I know i cringe hard when i see those skater kids eat it on a stair rail and land on their nads.

OOF!!
 

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Is our consciousness really in another place and our minds are fooled into thinking we reside in our own body?

I think this is nonsense. Our brain processes the informations our sense give to it. If your eyes see a rubber hand (presumably looking like a real hand) where our real hand is supposed to be and you feel your real hand being touched when your eyes see that rubber hand being touched, it's normal for our brain to conclude that this rubber hand must indeed be our own. It's not exactly new that the human senses are fooled easily (or rather, the information incorrectly processed by our brain). I cannot see how this would allow any conclusion that our consciousness is in another place.
 

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i wonder if watching porn works a little like this. you know your strokin while the actors are going at it. your mind thinks your effin.
 

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Quantum,

Is there more stuff? Where'd you see or read the examples you were mentioning? (eg. the knife slicing , etc) Very interesting.

I guess it is somewhat understandable. How many times have you or any man watched stunt footage gone wrong and somewhat felt the pain? I know i cringe hard when i see those skater kids eat it on a stair rail and land on their nads.

OOF!!

I read the article in an AP story by Karl Ritter. Let me see if I can dig up some more.
 

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You guys stop this shit right now. Next time I come in here you all will be sacrificing rabbits or some shit.
 

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I just tried to trick myself into thinking I was really in the computer screen with Jennifer

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but it just wasn't the same

:think2:
 

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its really freaky you mentioned this I am watching the movie incubus right now

Can you be certain that it's YOU who's watching the movie?

d1g1t
 

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All they really did was generate an electronic hallucination.

To generate a chemical one you would give someone LSD etc.

:grandmais

science? na, just a drugs simulator.
 

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I think this is nonsense. Our brain processes the informations our sense give to it. If your eyes see a rubber hand (presumably looking like a real hand) where our real hand is supposed to be and you feel your real hand being touched when your eyes see that rubber hand being touched, it's normal for our brain to conclude that this rubber hand must indeed be our own. It's not exactly new that the human senses are fooled easily (or rather, the information incorrectly processed by our brain). I cannot see how this would allow any conclusion that our consciousness is in another place.

This article is certainly not conclusive in of itself. What I was hoping to do was stimulate the conversation into ways in which it would be possible for our consciousnesses to be in places other than our real bodies.

If our minds are so easily fooled as you say then I'm sure there are ways in which a civilization more advanced than ours could put us inside a simulation.

Let's say that the "body" in the computer program that is our life touches an object in that computer program. I would think it would be quite easy to stimulate an electrode planted in our "brain" (or whatever vehicle we use to think with in our real life) and fool it into thinking that we are actually touching real matter.
 

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Quantum,

Is there more stuff? Where'd you see or read the examples you were mentioning? (eg. the knife slicing , etc) Very interesting.

I guess it is somewhat understandable. How many times have you or any man watched stunt footage gone wrong and somewhat felt the pain? I know i cringe hard when i see those skater kids eat it on a stair rail and land on their nads.

OOF!!

Here's the AP article written by Karl Ritter:

http://www.topix.com/content/ap/2008/12/body-swap-illusion-tricks-mind-in-new-study

Shaking hands with yourself is an amusing out-of-body experience. The illusion of having your stomach slashed with a kitchen knife, not so much.

Both sensations, however, felt real to most participants in a Swedish science project exploring how people can be tricked into the false perception of owning another body.

In a study presented Tuesday, neuroscientists at Stockholm's renowned Karolinska Institute show how they got volunteers wearing virtual reality goggles to experience the illusion of swapping bodies with a mannequin and a real person.

'We were interested in a classical question that philosophers and psychologists have discussed for centuries: why we feel that the self is in our bodies,' project leader Henrik Ehrsson said. 'To study this scientifically we've used tricks, perceptual illusions.'

It sounded intriguing enough for me to try it, though entering the laboratory on Monday, I was having second thoughts.

The first props I saw were two kitchen knives, three naked dummies and a prosthetic hand sticking out from behind a curtain.
'You have the right to say stop at anytime if you feel uncomfortable,' said Ehrsson's colleague, Valeria Petkova, as she rubbed my left hand with electrolytic gel and attached electrodes to the middle and index fingers.

She assured me I was not in any danger. Still, a nervous tingle rushed through my body as she placed the headset over my eyes.

In the first experiment, the goggles were hooked up to CCTV cameras fitted to the head of a male mannequin, staring down at its feet. Through the headset I saw a grainy image of the dummy's plastic torso. I tilted my head down to create the sensation I was looking down at my own body.

At that point, it didn't feel very real. But when Petkova simultaneously brushed markers against my belly and that of the mannequin, the effect started setting in. As my brain processed the visual and tactile signals, I had a growing impression that the mannequin's body was my own.

That was good fun, until the gleaming blade of a bread knife entered my field of vision. Petkova slid it across the dummy's stomach, sending shivers down my spine and a pulse of anxiety through the electrodes. My heightened stress level was illustrated by a spike in a computer diagram shown to me after the experiment.

'Approximately 70-80 percent of the people experience the illusion very strongly,' Petkova said.

Apparently, I was one of them.

The second experiment was more benign. This time my headset was connected to cameras mounted on a round hat that Petkova was wearing. We faced each other, extended our right arms and shook hands.

Now that was weird: I was supposed to have the sensation of shaking hands with myself. The illusion wasn't perfect as I couldn't quite recognize Petkova's grip as my own, even though that's what the goggles meant to make me believe.

Perhaps the session was too short. The actual study, in which 87 volunteers participated, consisted of repeated sessions that gradually provided more accurate data. The results were published in PLoS One, the online journal of the Public Library of Science.

The principle finding was that under certain conditions a person can perceive another body as his or her own, even if it is of an opposite gender or an artificial body.

'These findings are of fundamental importance because they identify the perceptual processes that make us feel that we own our entire body,' the study said.

Ehrsson said the study built on a previous experiment known as the 'rubber hand illusion' in which participants were manipulated to experience a rubber hand as their own.

Charles Spence, a professor of experimental psychology at the University of Oxford, said the Karolinska study was a 'step up' from other research on the subject.

'This goes beyond other recent studies, where you've taken ownership of rubber hands and rubber legs,' said Spence, who was not involved with the study.

His only concern was whether there might be any lasting effect on participants.

'The questions is what happens if you did it much longer? If you were in there for days and weeks. Would it be like something out of Total Recall?' Spence said, referring to the 1990 Arnold Schwarzenegger science fiction movie about a virtual vacation that turns into a nightmare.

Ehrsson suggested the findings could be applied in research on body image disorders by exploring how people become satisfied or dissatisfied with their bodies. Another possible application could be developing more advanced versions of computer games such as Second Life, he said.

'It could lead to the next generation of virtual reality applications in games, where people have the full-blown experience of being the avatar,' Ehrsson said.
 

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Great article.

And like I said, watch blooper footage of skaters landing on their Jacobs and tell me if your stones don't hurt? Your lying if you say they don't.
 

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