Anyone heard of LVwiseguys

[razorbackpicks]

Anyone heard of this service? They go by Las Vegas Wise guys and appear to have 4 guys that give plays across most sports; TJ Clark, John Aaron, Vince Marabelli, and Anthony Britton. I have a buddy that says they have been a great service to get plays from. I believe he said he has bought in too each sport and receives all of their plays.

I know I know, most on here believe paying for plays is asinine, not looking for those answers here. It seems as if you look around you find nothing on these guys, none of the forums have anything, the Google has nothing, etc. What little shred of stuff out there you do find they have been around a long time, have a nice record published, and do say a few things in their about tutorial that seem to not be the scam. I am just curious if anyone here has used them or knows anything about them. I tend to laugh at these guys but since I have heard about them and see they have many year history but hear little, my curiosity has me seeing if you guys know anything.

Curiosity killed the cat!

 

[gijoe]

id rather flip a coin

 

[bounceback]

id rather flip a coin

+1

 

[razorbackpicks]

id rather flip a coin

Thanks ks for the reading comprehension failure! Like stated, I'm not interested in these comments. It seems as if no one here knows anything about them which is weird when they've been around for so long.

 

[aceduecetrey]

Back in the early 2000's we ( yes I was a tout and it is well documented here already ) use to trade leads with a couple of those guys listed. Not sure if they have changed their ways but back then they were no better than the rest of us. All hype, no substance, just good salesmanship.

 

[razorbackpicks]

Back in the early 2000's we ( yes I was a tout and it is well documented here already ) use to trade leads with a couple of those guys listed. Not sure if they have changed their ways but back then they were no better than the rest of us. All hype, no substance, just good salesmanship.

care to share which ones? If you don't want to put it out there maybe a PM? It seems as if only one of them is carrying the service now

 

[quantumleap]

What is their verified record for the last few years? If they don't post it go elsewhere.

 

[razorbackpicks]

Basketball is like 1600-800 over the life of the service, I think that's 18 years or so. baseball this year was 46-2 or something like that most being + money run lines. Football is more mediocre however

 

[bounceback]

Basketball is like 1600-800 over the life of the service, I think that's 18 years or so. baseball this year was 46-2 or something like that most being + money run lines. Football is more mediocre however

wait 46-2?

Can you please source that?

 

[ScottL]

Thanks ks for the reading comprehension failure! Like stated, I'm not interested in these comments. It seems as if no one here knows anything about them which is weird when they've been around for so long.

Does it really matter? Do you think these guys have won so much money betting that they decided to start a service to supplement their income? Garbage like this comes and goes every week. I can tell you something about these guys - They are looking for dupes. And it appears you are willing, and asking the forum for permission to give them your money.

Sorry to be so rough on you. But the truth is in this business 2% of bettors make money long-term. And 100% of those 2% do it through hard work. If you can't study the games and become one of those 2% buying advice isn't going to help you. Because now you have to win even more to overcome the vig AND pay your advisor's fee. And again, that's an 'advisor' whose motivation is to take money from you, not make money for you.

 

[razorbackpicks]

wait 46-2?

Can you please source that?

What's a matter? Your coin flip does t give you sources? I do believe the source is mentioned in the thread title. But to answer your question, Yes I'm told member can see the records going all the way back. He said they do not Hide records or try and make losses dissapear. On the contrary, his football from what I've hesrd has not been going well so he really slowed down giving plays, which does not sound like a bad plan unlike many other for profit services who will just pump out plays for members no matter what.

Im not here to hype or bash the service. Just simply asking if anyone knows about them, used them, etc. trying to learn more about them, which is often what a forum is for.

 

[razorbackpicks]

Does it really matter? Do you think these guys have won so much money betting that they decided to start a service to supplement their income? Garbage like this comes and goes every week. I can tell you something about these guys - They are looking for dupes. And it appears you are willing, and asking the forum for permission to give them your money.

Sorry to be so rough on you. But the truth is in this business 2% of bettors make money long-term. And 100% of those 2% do it through hard work. If you can't study the games and become one of those 2% buying advice isn't going to help you. Because now you have to win even more to overcome the vig AND pay your advisor's fee. And again, that's an 'advisor' whose motivation is to take money from you, not make money for you.

i understand what you are saying, loud and clear and have experienced it in my early days.

Again, I'm not lookig for permission from this board to spend my money. I'm simply seeing if anyone knows about this particular group of guys, that offer a post history from day one of the service. Keep a record ever since that day. Also Scott, their fee is a one time fee and no it's not thousands and thousands of dollars from what I'm told. I'm not trying to validate sending them money, Im not looking for someone that's never used them, met them, talked to them etc to come here and say the usual pay for picks stuff. It's odd that no one knows them or used them though when they do have a seemingly good record and setup

 

[ScottL]

Razor, just trying to help. If you don't want to handicap on your own (it takes ALL day so I understand) then before you send these guys a penny go to Rx' very own Service Play section. In the daily threads you will find many service's picks posted. Hint: Look for 'handicappers' who lose consistently and fade their plays rather than looking for a service to follow. GL!

 

[Kev]

Don't pay for picks. There is so much good free info out there. Sites like Predictem.com (Staff Play of the Day pick winning in every sport but college foots) and Bettorsworld.com (black cat) give their stuff away at no cost to you and are run by legit handicappers. A small site called ArmadilloSports is a fun read as well.

By the way, some of these sites that advertise 46-2 records are playing progressively so their records are a bit misleading.

Say you lose the 1st game, you double up on the second game. If game 2 loses, you double up again. If game 3 loses they call it a loss and start over with one unit. This is all predicated on a guy not losing 3 in a row. (Tough task). I've seen a guy pull this off, but I dont recommend it. He was playing chalk and buying 3 points on each game. I'd have a heart attack playing that way.

 

[gmrcharity]

You say all this but you are a tout with a website selling picks? I never get why you bash every single service but you are a service yourself. I have used services for years and there are some really good ones out there but I agree 99% are pure salesmanship trash and no way this group went 46-2 and 1600-800 in hoops.

Does it really matter? Do you think these guys have won so much money betting that they decided to start a service to supplement their income? Garbage like this comes and goes every week. I can tell you something about these guys - They are looking for dupes. And it appears you are willing, and asking the forum for permission to give them your money.

Sorry to be so rough on you. But the truth is in this business 2% of bettors make money long-term. And 100% of those 2% do it through hard work. If you can't study the games and become one of those 2% buying advice isn't going to help you. Because now you have to win even more to overcome the vig AND pay your advisor's fee. And again, that's an 'advisor' whose motivation is to take money from you, not make money for you.

 

[ScottL]

You say all this but you are a tout with a website selling picks? I never get why you bash every single service but you are a service yourself. I have used services for years and there are some really good ones out there but I agree 99% are pure salesmanship trash and no way this group went 46-2 and 1600-800 in hoops.

Have you ever once seen me offer to sell picks in here? Has anyone ever seen you selling picks in here? Who's the tout again?

FYI I don't sell picks anymore. My website went free almost a year ago. My picks are also posted at Rx for free, in the Political Forum pick thread.

And rest assured, if I bash a service most likely it sucks, as most do. And unlike these loser piranhas I actually bet my picks.

 

[razorbackpicks]

The 46-2 has been verified. All plays posted 12+ hours in advance and I'm not sure any were ML that were steep. I think 90% or more of those were run lines or totals.

The 46-2 is legit guys, it was shown to me. Don't cling to that though as that's not what I'm after. I'm looking for other using this service or know of anyone that has or even knows the staff. Just would like to know their feelings or thoughts.

Thanks ks for the references KEV. I will look at those

 

[BigHurt007]

And this is how you sneak a tout ad outside of Site Promo

 

[razorbackpicks]

No I'm not a tout and I am NOT recommending ANYONE use this service! If no one steps forward then my recommendation is to steer clear of This service. I also only have one name on here, you won't see me trying to come support them under a name with 0 post. I'll also add if we see someone with zero post pop up Id ask a mod delete them. That's not what I'm after here

 

[Akillies]

just flush your $ down the toilet Ez'er and less aggravation