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Bush calls for same-sex marriage-ban amendment

'Prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever'

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 Posted: 1632 GMT (12:32 AM HKT)


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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Tuesday that he supports a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage to "prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever."

Criticizing San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, judges of the Massachusetts Supreme Court, and county officials in New Mexico who moved to let same-sex couples receive marriage licenses, Bush said that in recent months "some activist judges and local officials have made an aggressive attempt to redefine marriage.

"And unless action is taken, we can expect more arbitrary court decisions, more litigation, more defiance of the law by local officials, all of which adds to uncertainty. (Transcript of Bush comments)

"After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence and millennia of human experience, a few judges and local authorities are presuming to change the most fundamental institution of civilization. Their actions have created confusion on an issue that requires clarity."

Bush said states might be forced to recognize same-sex marriages performed in states that allow them.

"On a matter of such importance, the voice of the people must be heard. Activist courts have left the people with one recourse. If we're to prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever, our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in America. Decisive and democratic action is needed because attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city could have serious consequences throughout the country."

He called on Congress to "promptly pass and send to the states for ratification" an amendment that would specifically define marriage as the union of a "husband and wife."

But Bush also said state legislatures should be left to define "legal arrangements other than marriage," suggesting that such an amendment would do nothing to stop states from allowing civil unions for same-sex couples.

"Our government should respect every person and protect the institution of marriage," he said. "There is not a contradiction between these responsibilities."

A call for civil debate

Bush called for a civil debate on the controversial issue.

"We should also conduct this difficult debate in a matter worthy of our country, without bitterness or anger. In all that lies ahead, let us match strong convictions with kindness and good will and decency."

As recently as last week, Bush repeated his belief that marriage should be restricted to heterosexual couples. (Full story)

He added that he was "troubled" by legal decisions in Massachusetts that could clear the way for same-sex marriage -- and the decision by San Francisco's Newsom this month to defy state law and order the county clerk to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Thousands of couples have taken advantage. (California high court may get same-sex marriage)

Last week, Bush said he was paying close attention to what was taking place in San Francisco and Massachusetts.

"I have watched carefully what's happening in San Francisco, where licenses were being issued, even though the law states otherwise," Bush said. "I have consistently stated that I'll support law to protect marriage between a man and a woman. Obviously these events are influencing my decision."

"I am watching very carefully, but I am troubled by what I've seen," Bush said.

In his State of the Union speech last month, Bush has addressed same-sex marriage, saying, "our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage." (Full story)

He stopped short of endorsing a constitutional amendment that would ban marriages for gay and lesbian couples, as social conservative groups had hoped.

Instead, Bush said, "if judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process."

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Why such intolerance?
 

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It'll NEVER pass. Const amendments were made difficult for good reason. This is not the sort of thing that belongs in the Constitution.
 

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Disgusting. The point of the constitution is to limit the rights of the government, not of the people.

This one is right up there with prohibition in terms of how big a joke its going to be in 50 years.
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D2bets,

I'd go a step further and say a dick is not the sort of thing that belongs in the ass. Outlet only - go ahead, call me old fashioned.
 

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I'm against gay marriages, but the thought of our idiotic government wasting another cent on this nonsense if fuking outrageous.

They should pay for this crap with Dubya's 200Mil stockpile of bribery/campaign money.
 

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Here's an interesting thought for you ... if it were possible, and not so outrageously sexist, would you oppose a ban on lesbian marriages? I'm noticing on this and another board that much of the discussion is centred around man on man action -- I've yet to see the same perception of ickiness regarding lesbianism.

Just curious.
 

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I support Bush on a constitutional amendment banning gays marrying.

They types of things are a serious threat to the fabric of society and deserves to be threated as such.

If society lets this just go by, in the next 10 years it will be normal and accpetable like what abortion is today.
 

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I'm failing to see the similarities between a certificate and the legalization of baby genocide.

IMO this clearly violates the "seperation of church and state" notion of our evil government.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jointpleasures:
D2bets,

I'd go a step further and say a dick is not the sort of thing that belongs in the ass. Outlet only - go ahead, call me old fashioned.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't belong in mine or yours but I could care less what somewhat else does that doesn't harm me. It's none of my business. I could care less. If that's what floats their boat then by all means....to each his own...the pursuit of hapiness.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jointpleasures:
Dikes are equally icky.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You haven't seen 'Tickled Pink' then. Nothing quite like some hot chick action. Go ahead, call me a deviant.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by truthteller:
Give them a certificate and there will not be any babies to kill in a few years.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are suggesting that the States would stop procreating if gays were allowed to marry? Is it your assertion, then, that all of us are closet homosexuals just waiting for the chance to have our leanings legitimised by the state in the form of marriage?

If not, your argument is completely nonsensical.
 

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TruthTeller: Give them a certificate and there will not be any babies to kill in a few years.

B: Don't worry. No matter how many gays choose to get married, there will always be plenty of heterosexual guys who will screw a woman, get her pregnant and abandon both of them thru a divorce. And don't forget the women who irresponsibly have sex with men even when they already have 3-4 or more kids....between the two groups, you'll have plenty of new kids.

But the good news is that the upcoming generations of kids will be progressively less homophobic than the current living generations.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Instead, Bush said, "if judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process."

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Why such intolerance? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You mean against the institution of marriage?

By the way which way does Kerry stand this week?
 

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Pat:

Anybody whose stance against gay marriage revolves around the 'sanctity' of the institution had better also be ready to ban drive-thru ceremonies orated by Elvis that end up tainted by spousal abuse, adultery, or whatever cause that leads to divorce.

Like women in the military, I don't understand why anybody would fight to engage in such an oppressive institution, but ultimately, it should be their choice.
 

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X...i'm for gay marriage...if a gay guy wants to marry a gay woman fine or visa versa...because the definition of marriage is a man and a woman...changing the definition does not change what it is or isn't.
(I am for civil unions)

Libs always do this..."pro choice" for examp. what is the real meaning? Killing babies.
"Undocumented workers"...what the real meaning?
Criminal aliens.

What it means in total is anarchy.
 

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X... by the way, this is the easy way out for Bush.Because it will take forever to get an amendment,and the precedent will be set by thousands of gays being "married" anyway.
You know if it wasn't for Bushes tax cuts and the aggressivness in the war on terror...I would consider him to be a extremley weak president.
 

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This issue, along with the abortion issue, has pretty much no bearingon who I would vote for. They are just knee jerk issues that the media loves to cover.
 

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Patriot: you know damn well that the right is equally brutal for wording things in order to suit their needs -- the 'liberal media', 'pro-life' (as though pro-choicers want to see everyone dead) yada yada ... we could go back and forth for days on the semantics of it all.

The only reason why you want to prevent same-sex marriage has zilch zero nada to do with protecting its traditional definition. If this were the case, you'd be flippin' losing it that the NSS calls for a change in the definition of 'imminent'. No, your anti-same-sex marriage stance has everything to do with, and only with, your personal condemnation for what these people do behind closed doors. The last thing you want is for gay public displays of wedded affection to be commonplace.

[This message was edited by xpanda on February 24, 2004 at 04:52 PM.]
 

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