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Why same-sex 'marriage' mattersMarcia Segelstein - OneNewsNow Columnist - 11/18/2008 5:00:00 AM <script type="text/javascript">var addthis_pub = 'onenewsnow';</script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://s9.addthis.com/js/widget.php?v=10"></script>

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Despite the fact that Americans just elected one of the most liberal presidents in history, they also voted to uphold traditional marriage in every state where it was on the ballot.

Gay activists (and a few Episcopal bishops) would have you believe that votes against gay "marriage" are a result of bigotry, the equivalent of racism or sexism. After all, they argue, what's wrong with two people loving each other and wanting to publicly proclaim it? Doesn't the world need more committed love, not less?

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S.T. Karnick, writing in the autumn issue of SALVO magazine, points out that homosexuals may already "marry" in any number of places, under the auspices of any number of organizations. Churches such as the Episcopal Church USA, the Presbyterian Church USA, the United Church of Christ, and numerous others "either explicitly allow the consecration or blessing of same-sex 'marriages' or look the other way when individual congregations perform such ceremonies."

No law prevents these religious organizations from conducting such rituals, nor would most Americans expect or want the government to dictate doctrine to churches. But if and when same-sex "marriage" becomes law, it becomes against the law not to follow it. And that could indeed result in the government not only dictating doctrine to churches, but to religious schools, and to individuals.

Right now, individuals and corporations may choose to treat same-sex unions the same way they treat traditional marriage, or not. As Karnick writes so succinctly: "This, of course, is the truly liberal and tolerant position." What's at issue here is government-enforced recognition that same-sex "marriage" is legally identical to traditional marriage, no matter the individuals' or institutions' religious beliefs.

Government intrusion on religion is what's at stake.

Despite what proponents of gay "marriage" argue, there are serious and wide-ranging implications for society by redefining something so fundamental. Already in Canada and Europe, pastors have been threatened with legal challenges as a result of teaching traditional Christian doctrine on marriage. And what about parents who want the right to be the ones teaching morality to their children? Will they have a legal leg to stand on when public schools teach that gay "marriage" is okay? Already, thanks to GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network), homosexuality is being introduced in schools at younger and younger ages. Just a few days ago, kindergarten students at a California school were given pledge cards produced by GLSEN and asked to sign them to support a "harassment-free school." Parents protested. But is there a day coming when such protests would bring charges of discrimination, punishable by law?

"Equality" laws in Great Britain recently forced a Christian adoption agency there out of business. Like a similar case in Massachusetts (where same-sex "marriage" is law), a Roman Catholic adoption agency in Wales can no longer continue its work of placing abandoned and abused children in homes. Why? Based on its Christian beliefs, St. David's Children sought out only homes with a mother and a father. As one British MP pointed out, there are plenty of other adoption agencies gay couples could have used. The government, because of innocuous-sounding "equality" laws, has essentially told the agency it can no longer base its work on its Roman Catholic tenets because they are, in effect, discriminatory. That is frightening. Exactly who are these laws supposed to be liberating, or for that matter, protecting?

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Will it someday be considered hate speech to publicly state what researchers have already determined: that children fare best when raised by their biological father and mother? By sheer common sense, most people realize that basic fact. We've seen the damage inflicted on children by divorce, for example, in study after study. The vital role that fathers play in their children's lives has been well documented, and we know that in households without fathers children statistically don't fare nearly as well.

Maggie Gallagher, president of the Institute for Marriage and Public Policy, has written extensively about this issue. "Marriage as a universal human idea," she says, "has deep roots in three enduring truths about human beings everywhere: Sex between men and women makes babies, society needs babies, and babies need a father as well as a mother."

Same-sex couples who have children (by adoption or other means) are automatically removing either a father or a mother from their children's lives. Of course children from traditional marriages often end up in less than ideal situations because of divorce or the death of a parent. But that doesn't mean we should impose on a child from the outset a less-than-ideal scenario. Shouldn't we be aiming for what's best for children?

Shortly after the California Supreme Court ruled that same-sex "marriage" is a constitutional right, and that sexual orientation is a protected class, it also ruled that a Christian doctor who refused to inseminate a lesbian couple should face legal consequences. My Roman Catholic obstetrician does not perform abortions, presumably for religious reasons. The state cannot force him to do so. It is his choice. But soon, given the fact that same-sex "marriage" has just been made legal in my home state of Connecticut, he may be forced to act against his religious beliefs when it comes to same-sex couples, or face legal consequences like the doctor in California.

What's at risk in this fight is not the civil rights of homosexuals. What's at risk is religious freedom for every American. That and the not-so-small problem of undermining what has been for centuries the very foundation of society.​

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After ten years as a producer for CBS News, forty-something years as an Episcopalian, and fifteen years as a mother, Marcia Segelstein (mvsegelstein@optonline.net) considers herself a reluctant rebel against the mainstream media, the Episcopal Church (and others which make up the rules instead of obeying them), and the decaying culture her children witness every day. Her pieces have been published in "First Things," "Touchstone: A Journal of Mere Christianity," and "BreakpointOnline," and she is a contributing editor for Salvo magazine.
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you could have easily saved us a lot of reading by saying that its "icky" and God hates em. Thats the real problem right? Otherwise why wouldnt the church want some unfortunate kid to be taken out of an orphanage raised by two potentially good parents that are willing to provide for him and put him through school, just because they happen to like eating eachothers balls and assholes at night after junior goes to bed?
 

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Marcia Segelstein is a POS. I just love the way she constantly trys to sell her agenda by talking about children.
 
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Marcia Segelstein is a POS. I just love the way she constantly trys to sell her agenda by talking about children.

Typical liberal/leftist response - call the person a piece of shit.

What a strong argument.

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Marcia Segelstein is a POS. I just love the way she constantly trys to sell her agenda by talking about children.

It's kind of like the abortion debate. Liberals/Leftists/Abortionists
just want to talk about the rights of the mother - but somewhere
lost in there are the rights of the child who is getting their skull
crushed.

Sigh. I guess people that stand up for the rights of murdered
babies are pieces of shit too, huh Rob?

:ohno:
 

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Forget and moral issue about homosexuals.

From a biological standpoint the species would die out if everyone were gay. (Don't start throwing the test tube baby crap at me).

From that point alone they are unatural and really contribute nothing toward the preservation of mankind. You could argue that with their permiscous spreading of AIDS that they are actrually contributing to mankinds downfall.
 

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solid objective thread title..........LOL
 

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Never gets old when the homophobe leaps to his feet and declares, "I can give you FIVE good reasons why homos shouldn't be married!!"

When of course if he's right, all he needs is just One.
 

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Guess my wife and I (and literally hundreds of millions of other heterosexual couples without children between them) are unnatural too since we contribute nothing toward the preservation of mankind.

Thanks for providing me with an updated summation of The Pecking Order.
 

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Marcia Segelstein is a POS. I just love the way she constantly trys to sell her agenda by talking about children.


Well...its better than talking TO children like that piece of shit black teacher in NC talking to that child about why her father was a bad person for being involved in a war.

THAT is crossing the line..

Being gay and wanting tax breaks and children is wrong also.
 

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Well...its better than talking TO children like that piece of shit black teacher in NC talking to that child about why her father was a bad person for being involved in a war.

THAT is crossing the line..

Being gay and wanting tax breaks and children is wrong also.

A scattergun rant?
 

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Guess my wife and I (and literally hundreds of millions of other heterosexual couples without children between them) are unnatural too since we contribute nothing toward the preservation of mankind.

Thanks for providing me with an updated summation of The Pecking Order.


:Sad Face: I know you really wanted that gay vote to go through. Oh well, win the election with blacks, and lose the gay vote with blacks.

Kinda ironic, isnt it? Give your friends Biff and Boff my condolences on their struggles to be recognized. As if making out and wearing ball hugging jeans in public arent enough.
 

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It's kind of like the abortion debate. Liberals/Leftists/Abortionists
just want to talk about the rights of the mother - but somewhere
lost in there are the rights of the child who is getting their skull
crushed.

Sigh. I guess people that stand up for the rights of murdered
babies are pieces of shit too, huh Rob?

:ohno:

Republicans, once that kid is born, they're own their own.
 

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Forget and moral issue about homosexuals.

From a biological standpoint the species would die out if everyone were gay. (Don't start throwing the test tube baby crap at me).

From that point alone they are unatural and really contribute nothing toward the preservation of mankind. You could argue that with their permiscous spreading of AIDS that they are actrually contributing to mankinds downfall.

If everyone were republicans, they would all die in the wars they support, but then again, they would support war but won't fight in them.
 

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If everyone were republicans, they would all die in the wars they support, but then again, they would support war but won't fight in them.


YAWN....once again, the military is voluntary. :aktion033
 

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