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Kerry Endorsed Bush's Tora Bora Strategy


After Osama bin Laden released his pre-election video yesterday, John Kerry repeated his criticism that President Bush let the terror kingpin get away by "outsourcing" the job to Afghan forces when we had bin Laden cornered in the Tora Bora mountains.


But it turns out that in December 2001, when the Tora Bora operation was under way, Kerry endorsed Bush's tactics during an interview with CNN's Larry King.

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Kerry said the Bush plan to get bin Laden "is having its impact, and it is the best way to protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will."

Lest anyone mistake his endorsement as half-hearted, Kerry added:

"I think we have been doing this pretty effectively, and we should continue to do it that way."

The quotes, unearthed Saturday by New York Times columnist David Brooks, only add to Kerry's image as a political opportunist who tailors his rhetoric to fit the moment.

According to Kerry, says Brooks: "When we rely on allies everywhere else around the world, that's multilateral cooperation, but when Bush does it in Afghanistan, it's 'outsourcing.' In Iraq, Kerry supports using local troops to chase insurgents, but in Afghanistan he is in post hoc opposition."

The Tora Bora contradiction exposes the credibility gap in Kerry's anti-terror pronouncements, says Brooks. "Many people are not sure that he gets the fundamental moral confrontation. Many people are not sure he feels it, or feels anything." Editor's note:


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Does it ever end? They cried day and night we'd get bogged down in the mountains like the Russians. And for once I agreed it would have been a terrible strategy to send troops into the mountains. It would have been a death trap.
 
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Like I've said, there is NO DIFFERENCE ... both are members of the Skull & Bones society and both of em Flip/Flop on every issue ...

George Bush, come on down!

Bush's Top Ten Flip-Flops

NEW YORK, Sept. 28, 2004
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"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories."(May 29, 2003)

"I recognize we didn't find the stockpiles [of weapons] we all thought were there." (Sept. 9, 2004)
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(CBS) The charge of "flip-flopping" has resounded throughout the presidential race, with the Bush campaign repeatedly accusing Sen. John Kerry of changing his mind on the issues. The Kerry campaign, in turn, has declared that Mr. Bush is the one doing the flip-flopping.

CBSNews.com Chief Political Writer David Paul Kuhn looks at the record and finds both men are correct. Here, the president's most notable flip-flops. <HR width="75%">

Weapons of Mass Destruction

Announcing the invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003, Mr. Bush said, “Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.”

Two months into the war, on May 29, 2003, Mr. Bush said weapons of mass destruction had been found.

“We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories,” Mr. Bush told Polish television. “For those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

On Sept. 9, 2004, in Pennsylvania, Mr. Bush said: “I recognize we didn't find the stockpiles [of weapons] we all thought were there.”

<HR width="50%"><CENTER>Read Part Two of our series:
John Kerry's Top Ten Flip-Flops</CENTER><HR width="50%">
Nation Building and the War in Iraq

During the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush argued against nation building and foreign military entanglements. In the second presidential debate, he said: "I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got to be.'"

The United States is currently involved in nation building in Iraq on a scale unseen since the years immediately following World War II.

During the 2000 election, Mr. Bush called for U.S. troops to be withdrawn from the NATO peacekeeping mission in the Balkans. His administration now cites such missions as an example of how America must "stay the course."


Iraq and the Sept. 11 Attacks

In a press conference in September 2002, six months before the invasion of Iraq, President Bush said, “you can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror... they're both equally as bad, and equally as evil, and equally as destructive.”

In September of 2004, Mr. Bush said: “We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September 11th." Though he added that “there's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties,” the statement seemingly belied earlier assertions that Saddam and al Qaeda were “equally bad.”

The Sept. 11 commission found there was no evidence Saddam was linked to the 9/11 attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people.


The Sept. 11 Commission

President Bush initially opposed the creation of an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 attacks. In May 2002, he said, “Since it deals with such sensitive information, in my judgment, it's best for the ongoing war against terror that the investigation be done in the intelligence committee.”

Bowing to pressure from victims' families, Mr. Bush reversed his position. The following September, he backed an independent investigation.


Free Trade

During the 2000 presidential election, Mr. Bush championed free trade. Then, eyeing campaign concerns that allowed him to win West Virginia, he imposed 30 percent tariffs on foreign steel products from Europe and other nations in March 2002.

Twenty-one months later, Mr. Bush changed his mind and rescinded the steel tariffs. Choosing to stand on social issues instead of tariffs in steel country – Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia – the Bush campaign decided it could afford to upset the steel industry rather than further estrange old alliances.


Homeland Security Department

President Bush initially opposed creating a new Department of Homeland Security. He wanted Tom Ridge, now the secretary of Homeland Security, to remain an adviser.

Mr. Bush reversed himself and backed the largest expansion of the federal government since the creation of the Defense Department in 1949.


Same-Sex Marriage

During the 2000 campaign, Mr. Bush said he was against federal intervention regarding the issue of same-sex marriage. In an interview with CNN's Larry King, he said, states "can do what they want to do" on the issue. Vice President Cheney took the same stance.

Four year later, this past February, Mr. Bush announced his support for an amendment to the Constitution that defines marriage as being exclusively between men and women. The amendment would forbid states from doing "what they want to do" on same-sex marriage.

Citing recent decisions by “activist judges” in states like Massachusetts, Mr. Bush defended his reversal. Critics point out that well before the 2000 presidential race, a judge in Hawaii ruled in December 1996 that there was no compelling reason for withholding marriage from same-sex couples.


Winning the War on Terror

"I don't think you can win it," Mr. Bush said of the war on terror in August. In an interview on NBC's "Today" show, he said, “I think you can create conditions so that . . . those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."

Before the month closed, Mr. Bush reversed himself at the American Legion national convention in Nashville. He said: "We meet today in a time of war for our country, a war we did not start yet one that we will win." He later added, “we are winning, and we will win."


Campaign Finance Reform

President Bush was initially against the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill. He opposed any soft-money limits on individuals to national parties.

But Mr. Bush later signed McCain-Feingold into law. The law, named for Senate sponsors John McCain, R-Ariz., and Russell Feingold, D-Wis., barred both national parties from collecting soft money from individuals.

During the 2000 race, Mr. Bush showed support for the so-called 527 groups’ right to air advertising.

In March 2000, he told CBS News' "Face the Nation," "There have been ads, independent expenditures, that are saying bad things about me. I don't particularly care when they do, but that's what freedom of speech is all about.”

In late August of this year, in an effort to distance himself from controversial anti-Kerry ads by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Mr. Bush reversed his position, announcing he would join McCain in legal action to stop these "shadowy" organizations.

Though it would close the Swift Boat group's funding, court action would also silence well-funded liberal 527 organizations like MoveOn.org and America Coming Together.


Gas Prices

Mr. Bush was critical of Al Gore in the 2000 campaign for being part of “the administration that's been in charge” while the “price of gasoline has gone steadily upward.” In December 1999, in the first Republican primary debate, Mr. Bush said President Clinton “must jawbone OPEC members to lower prices.”

As gas topped a record level of $50 a barrel this week, Mr. Bush has shown no propensity to personally pressure, or “jawbone,” Mideast oil producers to increase output.

A spokesman for the president reportedly said in March that Mr. Bush will not personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds.


By David Paul Kuhn
©MMIV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Oh my gosh!

The self absorbed one just stated to his sheep he would win. Goerge W. Bush has said he was going to win. GWB does not lie! Early polling including all fraudulent votes casted is 2/1 Kerry. The anger in the demi communities is turning into... HOPE IS ON THE WAY! When GW says he would win, he will win. Count on it, GW is not a liar. If he loses the election - then even I will admit that he did told the American people a lie. Fat Chance of that.
Wonder what happens when four years of anger turns into a couple days of hope and euphoria and then Tuesday November 2nd comes? I wonder if stems cells will be able to cure that?
 

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Just from those quotes there it is not clear exactly what Kerry was endorsing. You have an unqouted statement that he is referring to the "Bush plan". What exactly was known about the "Bush plan" back then. I don't think it was publicized that it was oursourced to the warolrds and such. Heck, you guys still don't think it was. So which is it? What exactly was Kerry endorsing there?

Are you guys claiming that back then Bush made it known that he outsourced going after Bin Laden? If not, then how could Kerry have been endorsing that as Bush's plan.

Make up your mind.
 

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D2bets said:
Are you guys claiming that back then Bush made it known that he outsourced going after Bin Laden? If not, then how could Kerry have been endorsing that as Bush's plan.

Make up your mind.

We outsourced the entire Afghan war, taking 140+ combat deaths in a country that bled two world powers white for dozens of years. Everyone knew it at the time. What Kerry is doing is ignoring everything good that happened because of this 'outsourcing', and focusing on one single aspect that may have suffered because we weren't that interested in putting our troops into unfamilier mountain terrain without air support.

The Afghan war was an incredible success. Kerry's focus on Tora Bora shows how ill-qualified he is to be Commander-in-Chief.
 
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Shotgun:

Speaking of Success stories: we lost another 8 kids today in Iraq ... a place we have no business being in and a place that even Bush's old man told him not to invade in 2003

Batting 50% when we are bogged down in a hellhole in Iraq is nothing to brag about ...
 

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Shotgun said:
We outsourced the entire Afghan war, taking 140+ combat deaths in a country that bled two world powers white for dozens of years. Everyone knew it at the time. What Kerry is doing is ignoring everything good that happened because of this 'outsourcing', and focusing on one single aspect that may have suffered because we weren't that interested in putting our troops into unfamilier mountain terrain without air support.

The Afghan war was an incredible success. Kerry's focus on Tora Bora shows how ill-qualified he is to be Commander-in-Chief.
So then you're saying Tommy Franks (and Bush) are now lying when they say they didn't so this?
 

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D2, I consider 'outsourcing' to be using the Northern Alliance clowns to do the fighting, which we did in Tora Bora, Kabul, Mazari-Shariff and the dozens of other primitative towns in that country. I'm not sure what Bush and Franks say about it, nor do I really care. I do believe that it was far more likely for our 'bought Allies' to plug up the mountain passes than American troops who couldn't find Afghanistan on the map the day before 9-11.

A couple of warlords fucked us over. It happens. The majority of warlords didn't, and we were able to decimate the Taliban and Al-Queda at a extremely small cost.
 

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Shot,

The mastermind Osama, his number 2 man and the Taliban leader all got away.

But we poured 140,000 troops into Iraq and drew down on intelligence, logisitics and to a lesser extent, manpower (especially special forces) from Afghanistan to do so.

Basically what the Bush Admin policy was saying was fvck what happened on 9/11, let's go attack Iraq. Bush was quoted in front of news reporters saying he wasn't concerned about Osama and his subsequent negligent policies proved it.
 

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Mud, it was 18 months after 9-11 that we finally went into Iraq. Unless you were willing to send thousands of American troops into Pakistan and Iran, it was/is highly unlikely to get Bin Laden. His organization has been decimated, is near impotent when compared to 9-10-01, and is reduced to making tapes instead of bombing the Afghan elections, the Olympics, or (hopefully) the American elections.
 

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What you pablum puking liberals fail to realize is that John Al Querry would "outsource" the US Constitution to criminial foreign pygamys at the UN in a drop of a welfare hat in the form of world courts,kyoto and every other scam sham horseshit taxpayer fleecing,American handcuffing idea.

Kerrys willing to give up american rights and put it into the control of some grass skirt wearing bone in the nose 3rd world motherfxcker.So he can sing "We are the world" during some mtv special to be shown in France.

The guy is a fraud and half a communist.
 

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i really dont get how anyone could think bush is lying about the war in iraq, its aparent u havent been there
 
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Meinser: i really dont get how anyone could think bush is lying about the war in iraq

PLENTY OF FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ WILL FLAT OUT TELL YA IT IS A FUCKIN NITEMARE DISASTER ... NOTHING HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED OUTSIDE OF SPENDING 300 BILLION DOLLARS TO INSTALL AN ISLAMIC GOVT

THIS BULLSHIT "THE MEDIA IS RESPONSIBLE" OR "THE VIOLENCE IS BECAUSE OF HUSSEIN" IS SOOOOO TYPICAL OF PSYCHO BOY BUSH ....

BUSH SCREWED UP ... OUR KIDS ARE DYING ... NOTHING HAS OR WILL EVER BE ACCOMPLISHED AND THE "WE HAVE FREED THE IRAQIS" IS A BUNCH OF CRAP SINCE MOST BUSHIES CAN'T TELL YA THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SUNNIS AND SHIIAS OR EVEN FIND IRAQ ON THE WORLD ATLAS
 
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It was great the nite that Hannity live got it shoved up his butthole when he found out that Pat Tillman told his Mom that the war in Iraq was illegal ...

I thought Hannity was gonna start crying like the little fem he truly is


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