Im glad you asked costarica,
The main reason why I am pissed off is that, the US tries to act like a noble and great democratic power in always attemping to uphold ideals such as freedom, democracy, liberty, rule of law, and 'humanitarian intervention'. But, I have noticed, from my own personal experience, that they often try to come across like they are the above things when in reality, they are very much the opposite. They are also hardly the country to attempt to set an example of those values to the rest of the world.
I would go into more detail, with many examples but like I said, it will be a very long thread and I have an exam tomorrow morning.
The main reason why I am pissed off is that, the US tries to act like a noble and great democratic power in always attemping to uphold ideals such as freedom, democracy, liberty, rule of law, and 'humanitarian intervention'. But, I have noticed, from my own personal experience, that they often try to come across like they are the above things when in reality, they are very much the opposite. They are also hardly the country to attempt to set an example of those values to the rest of the world.
I would go into more detail, with many examples but like I said, it will be a very long thread and I have an exam tomorrow morning.
Why don't you take this horseshit to the Rubber Room? It is hardly a political discussion.
Why is categorising "Americans" as a universal group which collectively pisses you off any different from "niggers", "faggots", "Canadians", "Socialists", etc?
But to address your specific points:
"The main reason why I am pissed off is that, the US tries to act like a noble and great democratic power"
If I'm not mistaken Alex, you are British -- in fact you suggested that the US take "nation-building" lessons from the Uk in another recent post. Need I point out all of the suffering that the UK's imperialism has cuased the world, prior to it finally being ankled and put back where it belongs? Frankly, most of my country's worst international exploits seem to reek of a crash course in "UK-style nation building," one which was passed with flying colours.
" ... in always attemping to uphold ideals such as freedom, democracy, liberty, rule of law, and 'humanitarian intervention'."
Not all of these concepts work well together, unfortunately, which is why our various leaders [sic] seem so confused. Plus, the current one is a dolt, which surely does not help external appearances.
"But, I have noticed, from my own personal experience,"
I would love to hear about this personal experience you have had with nearly 300,000,000 Americans, which led you to become pissed off at all of us.
"... that they often try to come across like they are the above things when in reality, they are very much the opposite. They are also hardly the country to attempt to set an example of those values to the rest of the world. "
I agree to the extent that members of recent administrations seem to mistakenly believe themselves the caretakers and/or policemen of the world, and have for the most part done a botch job. But I very seriously doubt that you have even Google-level knowledge, let alone "personal experience" to elucidate this point.
"I would go into more detail, with many examples but like I said, it will be a very long thread and I have an exam tomorrow morning."
So I guess posturing schoolboys are the same all over the world, regardless of nationality. We have moronic, self-righteous shitwits like yourself in America too Alex, and we coincidentally call them "university students" just like they do in the UK. I am dying to learn of your extensive personal experience which qualifies you to judge a nation of people which has continually carried your sorry emerald isle like a papoose in virtually every sense, almost without stop since we broke your wrist for putting your hand in our pocket one too many times.
Phaedrus
Why is categorising "Americans" as a universal group which collectively pisses you off any different from "niggers", "faggots", "Canadians", "Socialists", etc?
But to address your specific points:
"The main reason why I am pissed off is that, the US tries to act like a noble and great democratic power"
If I'm not mistaken Alex, you are British -- in fact you suggested that the US take "nation-building" lessons from the Uk in another recent post. Need I point out all of the suffering that the UK's imperialism has cuased the world, prior to it finally being ankled and put back where it belongs? Frankly, most of my country's worst international exploits seem to reek of a crash course in "UK-style nation building," one which was passed with flying colours.
" ... in always attemping to uphold ideals such as freedom, democracy, liberty, rule of law, and 'humanitarian intervention'."
Not all of these concepts work well together, unfortunately, which is why our various leaders [sic] seem so confused. Plus, the current one is a dolt, which surely does not help external appearances.
"But, I have noticed, from my own personal experience,"
I would love to hear about this personal experience you have had with nearly 300,000,000 Americans, which led you to become pissed off at all of us.
"... that they often try to come across like they are the above things when in reality, they are very much the opposite. They are also hardly the country to attempt to set an example of those values to the rest of the world. "
I agree to the extent that members of recent administrations seem to mistakenly believe themselves the caretakers and/or policemen of the world, and have for the most part done a botch job. But I very seriously doubt that you have even Google-level knowledge, let alone "personal experience" to elucidate this point.
"I would go into more detail, with many examples but like I said, it will be a very long thread and I have an exam tomorrow morning."
So I guess posturing schoolboys are the same all over the world, regardless of nationality. We have moronic, self-righteous shitwits like yourself in America too Alex, and we coincidentally call them "university students" just like they do in the UK. I am dying to learn of your extensive personal experience which qualifies you to judge a nation of people which has continually carried your sorry emerald isle like a papoose in virtually every sense, almost without stop since we broke your wrist for putting your hand in our pocket one too many times.
Phaedrus
thanks for clearing that up Phaedrus. I realise my wording was a bit misleading (it was more to get people's attention). I am not pissed off by all Americans just the ones who are sheep. I am also not too keen on your govt right now.
Regarding the British and imperialism, yes they were very imperialistic. They also admitted that fact, while the US still pretends it is a republic when its taken a neo-imperialistic role and has been for the past 200 years. Instead of gaining land (which still happened, hawaii, great parts of mexico) which was what the British mainly wanted, you gained the people's backing by buying them off (as was recently seen in Turkey).
My own personal experience are from living in Canada and regularly going to the US. Being in Canada for so long enabled me to understand Americans better. Originally I am from Brazil, which has also suffered thanks to American arrogance, alongside most of South America.
You guys had a great potential to be good force to the world but have blown it. History will judge you as self-serving and arrogant. Hopefully the next super-power (i hope there isn't one for those above vices) takes better care of others and doesn't try to deceive its own populace.
One last point is that Americans will never volutarily give up their superpower status like the British did (as seen by the New American Century think-tank). This is plainly dangerous...economic sanctions against the US or China may lead to war in the long run.
I hope I cleared some things up Phaedrus and I apologise if I insulted your countrymen for your govt is the one to blame, although it is the people who, in theory at least, elect them (no comment).
Regarding the British and imperialism, yes they were very imperialistic. They also admitted that fact, while the US still pretends it is a republic when its taken a neo-imperialistic role and has been for the past 200 years. Instead of gaining land (which still happened, hawaii, great parts of mexico) which was what the British mainly wanted, you gained the people's backing by buying them off (as was recently seen in Turkey).
My own personal experience are from living in Canada and regularly going to the US. Being in Canada for so long enabled me to understand Americans better. Originally I am from Brazil, which has also suffered thanks to American arrogance, alongside most of South America.
You guys had a great potential to be good force to the world but have blown it. History will judge you as self-serving and arrogant. Hopefully the next super-power (i hope there isn't one for those above vices) takes better care of others and doesn't try to deceive its own populace.
One last point is that Americans will never volutarily give up their superpower status like the British did (as seen by the New American Century think-tank). This is plainly dangerous...economic sanctions against the US or China may lead to war in the long run.
I hope I cleared some things up Phaedrus and I apologise if I insulted your countrymen for your govt is the one to blame, although it is the people who, in theory at least, elect them (no comment).
A2345,
I think you should be brought up to speed on a few things:
1) The word “American” today is nothing more than a political expression. It defines no one in particular. America today is a vast collection of hyphenated groups. Whether this is a good or bad only time will tell. I will say this, though, the Romans tried a similar “concept.” In A.D. 212, a Roman Emperor (Caracalla) made everyone in the dominions of the Roman Empire a Roman. The Roman Empire lasted another 70 years. So what happened to the Romans? The Romans, or their identity as a people, became victims of their political system. For over 300 years the Romans kept expanding their definition of the word “citizen,” until it eventually became all-inclusive. When everyone became a Roman, there were no more Romans. The real Romans settled into Western Europe and Britain. This I believe explains the imperialistic behavior of the Western Europeans i.e. they are essentially Roman descendents. And, of course, from Western Europe came white settlers to America. You can put the pieces together from there…
2) America has a gargantuan war machine left over from World War II.
Excuses are going to be invented to use our military. We
manufacture things to be used for war, we are going to need a war.
It's really as simple as that. There is no way to turn this thing
off. Many have tried
3) Mr. Canadian, look at the positive side of American foreign
policy. Think of all those foreign products you buy. Who do you
think protects the world trade routes? America! that’s who. And
how much does the American Gov. charge you Canadians for this costly
benefit? Nothing.
One more question A2345 (very strange handle). You said you have “an exam tomorrow.” I presume you’re in college. True? If you are, what level? Freshman, soph., etc.? Thanks
[This message was edited by suetoneous on May 09, 2003 at 02:42 PM.]
I think you should be brought up to speed on a few things:
1) The word “American” today is nothing more than a political expression. It defines no one in particular. America today is a vast collection of hyphenated groups. Whether this is a good or bad only time will tell. I will say this, though, the Romans tried a similar “concept.” In A.D. 212, a Roman Emperor (Caracalla) made everyone in the dominions of the Roman Empire a Roman. The Roman Empire lasted another 70 years. So what happened to the Romans? The Romans, or their identity as a people, became victims of their political system. For over 300 years the Romans kept expanding their definition of the word “citizen,” until it eventually became all-inclusive. When everyone became a Roman, there were no more Romans. The real Romans settled into Western Europe and Britain. This I believe explains the imperialistic behavior of the Western Europeans i.e. they are essentially Roman descendents. And, of course, from Western Europe came white settlers to America. You can put the pieces together from there…
2) America has a gargantuan war machine left over from World War II.
Excuses are going to be invented to use our military. We
manufacture things to be used for war, we are going to need a war.
It's really as simple as that. There is no way to turn this thing
off. Many have tried
3) Mr. Canadian, look at the positive side of American foreign
policy. Think of all those foreign products you buy. Who do you
think protects the world trade routes? America! that’s who. And
how much does the American Gov. charge you Canadians for this costly
benefit? Nothing.
One more question A2345 (very strange handle). You said you have “an exam tomorrow.” I presume you’re in college. True? If you are, what level? Freshman, soph., etc.? Thanks
[This message was edited by suetoneous on May 09, 2003 at 02:42 PM.]
You can go FUK yourself.
Name ONE country that's done more good for the world.
America is single handily preventing a NK/SK war, a China/Taiwan war, Pakistan/India war. America is also preventing Israel from being pushed into the sea. We freed France and left that worthless country. We freed Kuwait and left. We have freed Germany and I hope we leave those ungreatful fools. We've freed Iraq and Afganistan and we will leave.
Name me ONE FUKIN country that would have left these countries and not tried to take them over.
So I say again you can FUK yourself.
"Walter Williams is my hero" outandup 2002
Name ONE country that's done more good for the world.
America is single handily preventing a NK/SK war, a China/Taiwan war, Pakistan/India war. America is also preventing Israel from being pushed into the sea. We freed France and left that worthless country. We freed Kuwait and left. We have freed Germany and I hope we leave those ungreatful fools. We've freed Iraq and Afganistan and we will leave.
Name me ONE FUKIN country that would have left these countries and not tried to take them over.
So I say again you can FUK yourself.
"Walter Williams is my hero" outandup 2002
interesting analysis regarding the Romans suetoneous.
- The US protects its trade routes because they benefit the most from that, afterall you guys do make up 25% of the world's GDP. Protecting the trade routes does come at a price. If you look at the situation in B.C where Americans put tariffs on goods going into the US while American goods going into Canada are supposed to be duty-free. The same thing has happened concerning steel exports into Europe. So much for a regime that said it would promote 'free-trade'. Or is it 'free-trade where it benefits the US?' There is considerable debate in South America about ALCA (free-trade for all of the Americas). The US wants to turn all of South America into the US's backyard in order to exploit cheap labour.
I'm second year law.
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outandup:
This is a political forum, not a schoolyard, we discuss ideas in order to learn new things and question our own opinions.
To answer your question, yes the US has done some good things to the world but in general it has disapointed. There are reasons behind strong anti-americanism in every country, and its not jealousy or 'freedom hating' as many conservatives try to justify. Many of the US's wars were driven by self-interest.
One example of this kind of self-interest is Israel which is probably the main reason for anti-americanism. Cutting to the point, Israel should have never been created. The only reason why the US supports Israel is because of the religious vote in the US and the jewish lobby...whenever a president takes a less than pro stance towards Israel (at most, neutral) there has been a strong trend of that president losing support amonst the above groups.
As for Israel, the land belongs to them as much as the US belongs to the native indians or Scotland belongs to a sovereign Scotland. The only difference is that a dusty old book says so and everybody believes its the word of God. When are we living in the f*cking 17th century?
For the above countries you mentioned, the US still has a considerable amount of armed forced in place. South Korea, 50,000. Germany 30,000, some in Kuwait. The only time you will leave Iraq is when the oil runs out, or install a puppet govt to oversee the oil operations.
As for WWII, if it wasn't for the Americans the war would have been won regardless since it was the Soviets who made the most difference IN EUROPE.
American foreign interventions since WWII
GREECE 1947-49
Supports and directs extreme right in civil war.
PHILIPPINES 1948-54
CIA directs war against leftist Huk Rebellion.
PUERTO RICO 1950
Nationalist insurrection challenges American occupation; US command operation puts down rebellion.
KOREAN WAR 1950-53
Joins South Korea and other allies to fight China and North Korea.
IRAN 1953
CIA directs overthrow of elected left-leaning government, installs Shah.
GUATEMALA 1954
CIA directs exile invasion and overthrow of leftist government; military junta installed.
LEBANON 1958
US occupation ends under UN Observer Group.
VIETNAM WAR 1960-75
Fought South Vietnam rebels and North Vietnam forces; 1-2 million killed.
CUBA 1961
CIA-directed "Bay of Pigs" invasion.
LAOS 1962
Green Berets active in training, military buildup, support of rightist forces during guerrilla war.
PANAMA 1964
Control of Panama Canal Zone challenged; rioting against US forces.
INDONESIA 1965
Army coup assisted to an unknown degree by CIA; left-leaning elected government toppled; between 250,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost.
BRAZIL 1965
CIA helped overthrow democratically elected govt in Brazil. 25 years of military dictatorship followed.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1965-66
Troops invade during election as pre-emptive action against leftist rebellion or communist government.
GUATEMALA 1966-67
Command operation; Green Berets aid in combat against leftist rebels.
CAMBODIA 1969-75
War against leftist forces; intense bombing; up to 2 million killed.
OMAN 1970
US directs Iranian invasion in support of Omani government against Marxist "Dhufar rebellion."
LAOS 1971-73
US directs South Vietnamese invasion.
CHILE 1973
CIA-backed coup ousts elected leftist president; rightist dictator installed.
ANGOLA 1976-92
CIA assists South African-backed rebels.
EL SALVADOR 1981-92
Advisors aid government forces against leftist rebels.
NICARAGUA 1981-90
US directs guerrilla exile invasion ("Contra war") against revolutionary government; US forces plant mines.
LEBANON 1982-84
Marines help police negotiated evacuation of Palestine Liberation Organization; US forces combat Muslim and Syrian fighters in support of Christian government.
HONDURAS 1983-89
Military bases established for US-backed "Contra war" with Nicaragua.
GRENADA 1983-84
US troops topple pro-Cuban government.
LIBYA 1986
Air strikes against nationalist government with terrorist links.
BOLIVIA 1986
Operation Blast Furnace; US troops and Bolivian police face peasant resistance in cocaine-producing regions.
IRAN 1987-88
Intervention on side of Iraq in war against Iran.
U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS 1989
Troops restore order after civil unrest spurred by Hurricane Hugo.
PHILIPPINES 1989
Armed US aircraft support constitutional government against failed coup.
PANAMA 1989-90
Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 US soldiers; more than 2,000 people killed.
GULF WAR 1990-
Operation Desert Storm drives Iraq out of Kuwait; 200,000+ killed. No-fly zone ongoing; periodic bombing.
SOMALIA 1992-94
US-led United Nations occupation during civil war.
YUGOSLAVIA 1992-94
US troops in NATO operation to enforce sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro.
BOSNIA 1993-95
Operation Deny Flight patrols civil war no-fly zone; air combat, Serbs bombed.
HAITI 1994-96
Troops restore elected leftist president to office three years after coup.
CROATIA 1995
American and NATO forces attack Bosnian Serb airfields prior to Croatian offensive.
SUDAN 1998
Pharmaceutical factory with terrorist links bombed; retaliation for terrorist attacks on US embassies in Africa.
AFGHANISTAN 1998
Bombing of Islamic fundamentalist military camps; retaliation for terrorist attacks on US embassies in Africa.
YUGOSLAVIA 1999
US aircraft play the key role in heavy NATO air strikes against Serbian forces in Kosovo.
COLOMBIA 2000
Special Forces train anti-narcotics and anti-rebel battalions, supply combat aircraft.
MACEDONIA 2001
US forces in NATO's Operation Essential Harvest partially disarm Albanian rebels.
AFGHANISTAN 2001
In retaliation for terrorist attacks in US, forces attempt ouster of Afghanistan's Taliban government, attack bases linked to Islamic militant Osama bin Laden.
IRAQ 2002
Overthrew Saddam's Hussein's regime.
Now tell me, is that the resume of a republic or an empire?...and thats only in the past 50 years. keep in mind that I am not against all the above military interventions but the majority.
Alexxx
[This message was edited by A2345exxx on May 09, 2003 at 03:31 PM.]
- The US protects its trade routes because they benefit the most from that, afterall you guys do make up 25% of the world's GDP. Protecting the trade routes does come at a price. If you look at the situation in B.C where Americans put tariffs on goods going into the US while American goods going into Canada are supposed to be duty-free. The same thing has happened concerning steel exports into Europe. So much for a regime that said it would promote 'free-trade'. Or is it 'free-trade where it benefits the US?' There is considerable debate in South America about ALCA (free-trade for all of the Americas). The US wants to turn all of South America into the US's backyard in order to exploit cheap labour.
I'm second year law.
----------------------------------------------
outandup:
This is a political forum, not a schoolyard, we discuss ideas in order to learn new things and question our own opinions.
To answer your question, yes the US has done some good things to the world but in general it has disapointed. There are reasons behind strong anti-americanism in every country, and its not jealousy or 'freedom hating' as many conservatives try to justify. Many of the US's wars were driven by self-interest.
One example of this kind of self-interest is Israel which is probably the main reason for anti-americanism. Cutting to the point, Israel should have never been created. The only reason why the US supports Israel is because of the religious vote in the US and the jewish lobby...whenever a president takes a less than pro stance towards Israel (at most, neutral) there has been a strong trend of that president losing support amonst the above groups.
As for Israel, the land belongs to them as much as the US belongs to the native indians or Scotland belongs to a sovereign Scotland. The only difference is that a dusty old book says so and everybody believes its the word of God. When are we living in the f*cking 17th century?
For the above countries you mentioned, the US still has a considerable amount of armed forced in place. South Korea, 50,000. Germany 30,000, some in Kuwait. The only time you will leave Iraq is when the oil runs out, or install a puppet govt to oversee the oil operations.
As for WWII, if it wasn't for the Americans the war would have been won regardless since it was the Soviets who made the most difference IN EUROPE.
American foreign interventions since WWII
GREECE 1947-49
Supports and directs extreme right in civil war.
PHILIPPINES 1948-54
CIA directs war against leftist Huk Rebellion.
PUERTO RICO 1950
Nationalist insurrection challenges American occupation; US command operation puts down rebellion.
KOREAN WAR 1950-53
Joins South Korea and other allies to fight China and North Korea.
IRAN 1953
CIA directs overthrow of elected left-leaning government, installs Shah.
GUATEMALA 1954
CIA directs exile invasion and overthrow of leftist government; military junta installed.
LEBANON 1958
US occupation ends under UN Observer Group.
VIETNAM WAR 1960-75
Fought South Vietnam rebels and North Vietnam forces; 1-2 million killed.
CUBA 1961
CIA-directed "Bay of Pigs" invasion.
LAOS 1962
Green Berets active in training, military buildup, support of rightist forces during guerrilla war.
PANAMA 1964
Control of Panama Canal Zone challenged; rioting against US forces.
INDONESIA 1965
Army coup assisted to an unknown degree by CIA; left-leaning elected government toppled; between 250,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost.
BRAZIL 1965
CIA helped overthrow democratically elected govt in Brazil. 25 years of military dictatorship followed.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1965-66
Troops invade during election as pre-emptive action against leftist rebellion or communist government.
GUATEMALA 1966-67
Command operation; Green Berets aid in combat against leftist rebels.
CAMBODIA 1969-75
War against leftist forces; intense bombing; up to 2 million killed.
OMAN 1970
US directs Iranian invasion in support of Omani government against Marxist "Dhufar rebellion."
LAOS 1971-73
US directs South Vietnamese invasion.
CHILE 1973
CIA-backed coup ousts elected leftist president; rightist dictator installed.
ANGOLA 1976-92
CIA assists South African-backed rebels.
EL SALVADOR 1981-92
Advisors aid government forces against leftist rebels.
NICARAGUA 1981-90
US directs guerrilla exile invasion ("Contra war") against revolutionary government; US forces plant mines.
LEBANON 1982-84
Marines help police negotiated evacuation of Palestine Liberation Organization; US forces combat Muslim and Syrian fighters in support of Christian government.
HONDURAS 1983-89
Military bases established for US-backed "Contra war" with Nicaragua.
GRENADA 1983-84
US troops topple pro-Cuban government.
LIBYA 1986
Air strikes against nationalist government with terrorist links.
BOLIVIA 1986
Operation Blast Furnace; US troops and Bolivian police face peasant resistance in cocaine-producing regions.
IRAN 1987-88
Intervention on side of Iraq in war against Iran.
U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS 1989
Troops restore order after civil unrest spurred by Hurricane Hugo.
PHILIPPINES 1989
Armed US aircraft support constitutional government against failed coup.
PANAMA 1989-90
Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 US soldiers; more than 2,000 people killed.
GULF WAR 1990-
Operation Desert Storm drives Iraq out of Kuwait; 200,000+ killed. No-fly zone ongoing; periodic bombing.
SOMALIA 1992-94
US-led United Nations occupation during civil war.
YUGOSLAVIA 1992-94
US troops in NATO operation to enforce sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro.
BOSNIA 1993-95
Operation Deny Flight patrols civil war no-fly zone; air combat, Serbs bombed.
HAITI 1994-96
Troops restore elected leftist president to office three years after coup.
CROATIA 1995
American and NATO forces attack Bosnian Serb airfields prior to Croatian offensive.
SUDAN 1998
Pharmaceutical factory with terrorist links bombed; retaliation for terrorist attacks on US embassies in Africa.
AFGHANISTAN 1998
Bombing of Islamic fundamentalist military camps; retaliation for terrorist attacks on US embassies in Africa.
YUGOSLAVIA 1999
US aircraft play the key role in heavy NATO air strikes against Serbian forces in Kosovo.
COLOMBIA 2000
Special Forces train anti-narcotics and anti-rebel battalions, supply combat aircraft.
MACEDONIA 2001
US forces in NATO's Operation Essential Harvest partially disarm Albanian rebels.
AFGHANISTAN 2001
In retaliation for terrorist attacks in US, forces attempt ouster of Afghanistan's Taliban government, attack bases linked to Islamic militant Osama bin Laden.
IRAQ 2002
Overthrew Saddam's Hussein's regime.
Now tell me, is that the resume of a republic or an empire?...and thats only in the past 50 years. keep in mind that I am not against all the above military interventions but the majority.
Alexxx
[This message was edited by A2345exxx on May 09, 2003 at 03:31 PM.]
done more good for the world.
If not for the USA there would be more conflicts in the world. There will come a day that the US says you can all go FUK yourselves and that's when you'll see how much good the US is doing. NO the US is not perfect, however, that's unreasonable to expect.
I'll tell you ONE thing the American taxpayers are just about tapped out and are tired of all the money sent to these foriegn countries that don't appreciate shit. Their will come a day when it all stops so enjoy the hand outs while their available. The biggest joke is the US funding the UN and that should end immediately.
"Walter Williams is my hero" outandup 2002
If not for the USA there would be more conflicts in the world. There will come a day that the US says you can all go FUK yourselves and that's when you'll see how much good the US is doing. NO the US is not perfect, however, that's unreasonable to expect.
I'll tell you ONE thing the American taxpayers are just about tapped out and are tired of all the money sent to these foriegn countries that don't appreciate shit. Their will come a day when it all stops so enjoy the hand outs while their available. The biggest joke is the US funding the UN and that should end immediately.
"Walter Williams is my hero" outandup 2002
Americans piss me off...
There, I said it! Now dont ask me why or this will turn into a huge thread.
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Dont forget the US f'd up in Vietnam.
But they BELIEVED they could make a difference.
Now thats a long time ago, and its different now....
They are trying again, thats all.
Nothing has changed in 50 years, except the delivery of bullshit.
Most americans are ok, some are totally out of their tree, but the US runs most of the world because a lot have a brain.
We simply have to wait until George and his gangsters implode, or the US sorts itself out.
Civilisation is a waiting game.
There, I said it! Now dont ask me why or this will turn into a huge thread.
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Dont forget the US f'd up in Vietnam.
But they BELIEVED they could make a difference.
Now thats a long time ago, and its different now....
They are trying again, thats all.
Nothing has changed in 50 years, except the delivery of bullshit.
Most americans are ok, some are totally out of their tree, but the US runs most of the world because a lot have a brain.
We simply have to wait until George and his gangsters implode, or the US sorts itself out.
Civilisation is a waiting game.
