AMA sends letter to president-elect

[stacilu]

2001-JAN-17: American Medical Association sends letter to president-elect: The AMA sent a letter to President-elect George W. Bush on behalf of "123 patient, research, and academic institutions." They wrote that "The discovery of pluripotent stem cells may be the single most important scientific and medical breakthrough in the past decade or more." They urged a resumption of stem cell research. "For diseases that prove not to be treatable with adult stem cells, impeding human pluripotent stem cell research risks unnecessary delay for patients who may die or endure needless suffering while the effectiveness of adult stem cells is evaluated."

I really am sorry to beat a dead horse. but after reading the above article
only the most uninformed and religiously crazy could be against stem
cell research. AMA writes it will probably be the SINGLE most important
sceintific and medical breakthrough in the past decade or MORE."
Please take a minute or two and think back in history about the people
that tried to halt or delay the march of science. The inquisition that
would have gladly killed Galileo, the people who scorned the Wright Brothers
saying if God wanted men to fly..." and dozens of other such ridiculous
examples. Science will always prevail but it rightly needs the support of
all or at least most of the populace. A loud voice must echo from
R's and D's and l's and c's and i's that this fight should continue and that
world science and all governments should contribute to this noble cause.
Again, the scientific community without doubt is asking and tellling us
that this is the way to go. If much more opposition is given the only
option open to these US scientists will be to take their talents and go
to a different country, thus brain draining the US. People as stupid and
ridiculous as shotgun and the Bush administration cannot put this
research down, for it surely will be heaven sent for so many
sick and dying people.

 

[stacilu]

If I remember correctly some idiot on this forum wanted
me to give him names of people from the scientific community
that feel stem-cell research to be of the utmost importance.
He didn't think my word was sufficient. Ok, today I
produce not one or two names, but 123 patient, research
and academic institutions that say "...may be the single most
important scientific and medical breakthrough in the past
decade or MORE." That is 123 institutions, not names or
people who may be prejudice but 123 institutions which
obviously represent thousands of experts. What is his response,
like his idiot friends, he simply disappears. You prove something to these
reactionary idiots, these clueless uneducated morons and
they just ignore it. In a few days this moron will post some
other bs, somebody will prove him wrong and he will disappear
again. Same mo, same bs just different clowns. Where are
you mister scatter brain?

To my friends who are dismayed about my name calling. You
must forgive me, you will certainly notice that when I am
writing to somebody with some intelligence and some obvious
education and grasp of the issues I never resort to name calling.
However, when something is black you can't very well say it
is green. These idiots are idiots, so I will call them idiots.

 

[Shotgun]

Since you obviously ignored this post I'll repeat it:

Stacilu, let me explain to you what "red herring" means using this thread as an example:

1) You lied, claiming the scientific community says stem cell research will make other discoveries insignificant.

2) I call you on that lie, so you introduce Topic B (aka Red Herring): the scientific community supports stem cell research.

3) You completely abandon your initial argument, believing that changing the topic vindicates your inital position.

Sad to say that a moron like me didn't quite fall for it. I'll wait for your answer to the initial question that I asked: What scientists say this will make most other discoveries insignificant? I want names, not the cliches and platitudes that spew from you on a daily basis.

The answer should be pretty simple to find if you aren't lying. Of course, since you are lying you won't answer it. For such a brilliant woman, you sure do get yourself tied up in knots with your arguments.

 

[stacilu]

Shotgun blast to the braiin

Read the article you fc..... idiot, especially the part in the
quotation marks. You complete moron, "the most single
and important scientific breakthrough..." now you want
to quibble over meanings. That my idiot friend, is very close
to the words I used as most of the forum I believe will agree.
The bottom line assho... and my point is that this is an
extremly important endeavor that the president and his
morons are trying their best to block. THAT is the point,
not your nonsesne about "red herrings." And the troubling part
is you either know that, or your are even a bigger idiot
than most everybody on this forum thinks. Most stupid
people when they don't have a legitimate argument will
look for words or phrases in the other persons argument
to make them look wrong. Do you think people don't
understand that tactic? Tell us Shotgun blast to the brain,
what is your point? These 123 insitutions are lying.
Stem cell research is not important? You are an
embarassment? Get some education, you moron.

And if you do read my posts you will find out another
factual error you have made for the second time.
Figure this one out yourself, moron. And concerning
names, don't you think those 123 insitutions filled with
scientists, have people. Guess what, people have
NAMES, you want me to get their names. Don't be
ridiculous, it is a given they have names.

Where in the world did you learn how to argue? The University
of Colorado, perhaps. You need a course in logic, find
a local community college, they take morons, and sign
up.

 

[Shotgun]

My what a tiresome argument. The girl simply doesn't know the difference between "may" and "will". Here is what is in that article:

The discovery of pluripotent stem cells may be the single most important scientific and medical breakthrough in the past decade or more

Now this is what you said:

Massive research needed for the most important scientific
work since the discovery of penicillin. In fact, when completed
it will make most other discoveries seem insignificant.

Notice the difference babe?

 

[JudgeWapner]

Shotgun,I believe the issue is whether stem cell research is important. Obviously the people in the know[scientists] think it is. After all the AMA is not exactly the craddle of radical thinking.

 

[D2bets]

Scientific research like this always deals in "may's" and not "will's". The AMA's position is obviously that this research is extremely important.

But if you just want to keep parsing words...or maybe that depends on your definition of "if".

 

[stacilu]

Amazing, isnt it? The same way most right wingers
react when they have no substantial facts. They
could be sitting in a pile of **** and tell you that
they can't smell a thing.

 

[stacilu]

Shotgun,I believe the issue is whether stem cell research is important. Obviously the people in the know[scientists] think it is. After all the AMA is not exactly the craddle of radical thinking.

Judge, what is so hard to understand. Of course, this is the
point. This nit wit wants to play with words like "may," and
"will."

 

[JudgeWapner]

Semantics.We often get so wrapped up in them that it gets in the way of meaningful discourse.

 

[D2bets]

Judge, not really. We don't get wrapped up in semantics. When we have a losing argument we try to play semantics to avoid the facts. That is all Shotgun is doing, and not doing it very well I may add.

 

[stacilu]

D2

Thank you. However, Mr. blasted in the head and I
can argue this until his shotgun rusts. The real
truth is that this study will continue. Maybe it
won't happen in the US the way most of us would
like, and I think we all know the reason for that.
But other countries will pick up the ball, in fact
they have already. Great advancements in this
field may not happen in the US first and that is
ok. But, I would bet my last quarter that a great
number of US sceientists will leave this country
to do research in a more favorable atmosphere.
Nobody has ever really stopped the advance of
science and Neanderthals who try will always
be laughed off the planet.

 

[Shotgun]

Semantics? Maybe, maybe not. All Stacilu had to say was that she misspoke when she said stem cell research was a cold stone lock ala Jim Fiest. Instead she pulled her Red Herring stunt; I'm willing to discuss the merits of embroyo stem cell research vs adult stem cell research any day of the week. It can't be done, however, with someone who refuses to acknowledge the difference between 'may' or 'will'.

 

[Woody0]

Speaking a a scientist semantics are important. That's why scientists use "may" and not "will" for events yet to happen. Also scientists understand there is no scientific proof of something, but only conjectures that can be disproved.

Stacilu, you recall I disapproved of Shotgun making a big deal of your excessive zeal.

Perhaps Shotgun can explain why no-one attempted to rescue a man drowning in the river Thames who declared "I shall drown, I shall drown and no-one will save me" since he is so interested in semantics..

 

[stacilu]

Woody

I think the real reason is shotgun is fundamentally against
this science. He knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on,
he knows most of the forum thinks he is full of s... so
now he will twist and turn and try to get off the hook.
May or Will is not the point, the point is the importance
of this research. The scientific community, almost without
exception is very excited about this. To listen to the
shotgun man, that is not true and I am full of s.... Please,
you are so obvious shotgun that it is close to being
comical.