All things weed thread

[SgtLanquel]

Ok but the process I am familiar with goes like this....

Cop may or may not have PC, asks to search the vehicle....You say no. He says okay we will wait for dogs to see.



I guess what I am asking is.....yes it may help you down the line with a defense attorney. But there is no way out of getting your car searched at that time right? If you say no, they aren't going to just say okay bye.

In my case, the cop didn't lie. He just might have broken the law by looking at my juvenile record to search for somethin negative because I had nothing on my adult record at the time. So he didn't lie. He asked if I had been arrested before I said no. And then he said I thought you had never been arrested before? I said I was 16, are you even allowed to look at that shit? He responds with silence. No words. Then he threatens to charge me with DWI lmao. For being high on ganja.


So how can a cop get PC from a juvenile record?

But in general, if they have no PC. Say the weed is in a smelly proof. Shit cannot be smelled. If the cop asks to search, and you say no... dogs are coming and whatever you got in weed is about to be taken. Plus lawyer fees and court fees. Plus the ganja. Gonna be at least a $4K hit in all. So that's why if you can get out of a non PC search at the time it would be beneficial.

I never smoke and drive.

Your final sentence is almost always your smartest move. Exceptions could be sensibly allowed if what you are toking is all you have and can be easily destroyed in quick order. This presumes rolled doobies only and no pipe or other byproduct.

As for cost and hassles of criminal defense Vs a concessionary stance towards taking a misdemeanor possession charge and resulting criminal conviction each person can decide for themselves which would ultimately be more burdensome.

I think for most folks, especially if you choose the life of being an Employee and/or if you have children a criminal conviction is almost always the least preferred outcome. Job opps can suffer for those w convictions and depending on your jurisdiction a "drug"- related conviction can unfortunately invite some form of Children's Services govt agency into your world.

 

[SgtLanquel]

Per your last post, I for one would absolutely have a criminal defense attorney ccontest a possession charge. For me, The price of a criminal conviction far outweighs legal defense costs. You should preemptively decide your own balance and proceed accordingly

 

[SgtLanquel]

Yeah it sounds good in theory, but lacks in practical application.

Doesn't matter if a cop has true PC or not, as it can be easily manufactured. All he has to say is "I smell marijuana" or "your eyes look glassy" and BOOM he has probable cause that is effectively indisputable and will hold up in court.

His claim that he smelled marijuana is in fact "substantiated" if/when he finds something, even if he was making it up to begin with. Cop tells judge "I smelled pot, we looked, lo and behold we found it". You think a judge is gonna throw shit out because your defense attorney says "there is no way he could have smelled it, it was wrapped up really tight!"

No. Just, no.

Besides, no regular Joe is getting a lawyer and taking shit to trial to fight a misdemeanor possession charge. Not worth it.

And if he doesn't find anything? Oh, sorry for the inconvenience. Stay safe out there. What, you're gonna sue for a civil rights violation because he took 20 minutes out of your day? You're not gonna get much traction there.

Bottom line is just don't travel with a felony amount period, because it doesn't matter what your "rights" are, the police can skirt them to an extent.

Most state jurisdictions and several federal rulings from past 15 years have determined that "smell of weed" is insufficient cause for a search of a vehicle.

And most certainly an officer claiming "your eyes look glassy" would not even approach PC to legally breach your 4th Amendment protections, even in the lesser protected environs of a traffic stop.

 

[MattyMatt]

Yeah it sounds good in theory, but lacks in practical application.

Doesn't matter if a cop has true PC or not, as it can be easily manufactured. All he has to say is "I smell marijuana" or "your eyes look glassy" and BOOM he has probable cause that is effectively indisputable and will hold up in court.

His claim that he smelled marijuana is in fact "substantiated" if/when he finds something, even if he was making it up to begin with. Cop tells judge "I smelled pot, we looked, lo and behold we found it". You think a judge is gonna throw shit out because your defense attorney says "there is no way he could have smelled it, it was wrapped up really tight!"

No. Just, no.

Besides, no regular Joe is getting a lawyer and taking shit to trial to fight a misdemeanor possession charge. Not worth it.

And if he doesn't find anything? Oh, sorry for the inconvenience. Stay safe out there. What, you're gonna sue for a civil rights violation because he took 20 minutes out of your day? You're not gonna get much traction there.

Bottom line is just don't travel with a felony amount period, because it doesn't matter what your "rights" are, the police can skirt them to an extent.

Yep,this guy I tell ya.

And people actually pay this dude. Unfreaking believable...

common sense goes a long ways. For those without it, not guilty and $5k please...

 

[HarryCaray]

Most state jurisdictions and several federal rulings from past 15 years have determined that "smell of weed" is insufficient cause for a search of a vehicle.

That is simply not true.

Distinct odor is widely considered to fulfill the Plain View exception to the Fourth Amendment warrant requirement.

This has been overwhelmingly upheld by circuit court decisions over the years.

 

[MattyMatt]

That is simply not true.

Distinct odor is widely considered to fulfill the Plain View exception to the Fourth Amendment warrant requirement.

This has been overwhelmingly upheld by circuit court decisions over the years.

That's like saying "smell of alcohol" isn't probably cause for a DUI test.

 

[festeringZit]

[ Another side of the story ]

[h=1]Teenagers who smoke cannabis damage their brains for LIFE and may be more likely to develop schizophrenia[/h]

• U.S. study found that mice exposed to even small doses of marijuana for 20 days suffered lasting brain damage into adulthood
  
• Results highlight how teenagers who regularly smoke weed may have a greater risk of developing schizophrenia

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Teenagers who regularly smoke cannabis suffer long lasting brain damage and are in much greater danger of developing schizophrenia.
American researchers say the drug is particularly dangerous for a group of people who have a genetic susceptibility to the mental health disorder - and it could be the trigger for it.

Asaf Keller, of the University of Maryland School of Medicine, said the results highlight the dangers of teenagers smoking cannabis during their formative years.

The study found that even short-term exposure to cannabis impaired brain activity, with the damage continuing into adulthood

The study, published in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology, exposed young mice to the active ingredient in marijuana for 20 days.
It found that their brain activity was impaired, with the damage continuing into adulthood.
The past 20 years has seen major controversy about the long-term effects of marijuana, with experts divided over its long-term effects on teenagers.
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Previous research has shown that children who started using marijuana before the age of 16 are at greater risk of permanent brain damage, and have a significantly higher incidence of psychiatric disorders.
‘Adolescence is the critical period during which marijuana use can be damaging,’ said the study's lead author, Sylvina Mullins Raver, a PhD candidate at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.
‘We wanted to identify the biological underpinnings and determine whether there is a real, permanent health risk to marijuana use.’
The scientists began by examining cortical oscillations in mice. Cortical oscillations are patterns of the activity of neurons in the brain and are believed to underlie the brain's various functions.

These oscillations are very abnormal in schizophrenia and in other psychiatric disorders.

VIDEO: Scientists explain how cannabis damages the teenage brain

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The scientists exposed young mice to very low doses of the active ingredient in marijuana for 20 days, and then allowed them to return to their siblings and develop normally.
‘In the adult mice exposed to marijuana ingredients in adolescence, we found that cortical oscillations were grossly altered, and they exhibited impaired cognitive abilities,’ said Raver.

‘We also found impaired cognitive behavioural performance in those mice. The striking finding is that, even though the mice were exposed to very low drug doses, and only for a brief period during adolescence, their brain abnormalities persisted into adulthood.’
The scientists repeated the experiment, this time giving marijuana to adult mice that had never been exposed to the drug before.

According to the research team, there is a group of people who have a genetic susceptibility to developing schizophrenia. Adding weed to the mix during adolescence could be the trigger that causes it to develop, permanently impairing brain function and cognition

Their cortical oscillations and ability to perform cognitive tasks remained normal, indicating that it was only drug exposure during the critical teenage years that impaired brain activity.

‘We found that the frontal cortex is much more affected by the drugs during adolescence,’ said Keller.
‘This is the area of the brain controls executive functions such as planning and impulse control. It is also the area most affected in schizophrenia.’

Keller now wants to know whether the effects can be reversed. ‘We are hoping we will learn more about schizophrenia and other psychiatric disorders, which are complicated conditions,’ he said.

‘These cognitive symptoms are not affected by medication, but they might be affected by controlling these cortical oscillations.’

[h=3]CANNABIS DESTROYS YOUR GET-UP-AND-GO
[/h] A separate study by Imperial College London last month revealed that long-term use of cannabis destroys dopamine, the feel-good chemical in the brain that inspires a spirit of get-up-and-go.

Previous research has suggested taking marijuana can lead to individuals becoming withdrawn, lethargic and apathetic.

The cannabis users in the study published in Biological Psychiatry had all experienced psychotic-like symptoms while smoking the drug such as strange sensations or having feelings of paranoia.

The researchers expected their dopamine production might be higher since this has been linked with psychosis - but instead found the opposite.

The cannabis users had their first experience with the drug between the ages of 12 and 18 and the researchers believe the drug could be the cause of the difference in dopamine levels.

'Cannabis is an illegal drug and there is mounting evidence the idea of it being a harmless herb is not true,’ said Dr Michael Bloomfield, of Imperial College London.

'When people stop taking cannabis it seems the brain can slowly go back to producing pretty normal levels of dopamine.

'Cannabis has effects on the brain and it’s important people can make an informed decision.'




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...kely-develop-schizophrenia.html#ixzz4pNan53RA
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[halekulani]

Gorilla glue is waiting for me. Will try it in the coming weeks. GSC also one of my favorites.

I'm chiefing on this San Franando valley og currently. It's about 70 indica/30 sativa. Trichomes poking out. The stems are even frosty. And this Kingston confidential (hybrid). But this SFV is a solid indica dominate.

i think i love the taste and smoothness of GG#4 more than anything

 

[MattyMatt]

i think i love the taste and smoothness of GG#4 more than anything

It's definitely that whoowhee boi...

 

[HarryCaray]

[ Another side of the story ]

Teenagers who smoke cannabis damage their brains for LIFE and may be more likely to develop schizophrenia

a) anything done to excess is harmful
b) no one is advocating that we legalize use by children; even a decriminalized environment must have sensible regulations
c) even if you are against recreational legalization for reasons posted in that article, the more perplexing viewpoint to me is those against prescription medical use by adults

 

[seldomseen]

I havent read this whole thread but about the dogs and probable cause.....I got arested on 3 felony charges in Dade when I was young and dumb. Cop asked to search my vehicle and I told him that I had a long drive ahead of me and would appreciate it if I could be on my way. Dog got brought out and my car was searched. Hired a good attorney and got the whole thing thrown out at the case filers office for improbable search.

 

[MattyMatt]

I havent read this whole thread but about the dogs and probable cause.....I got arested on 3 felony charges in Dade when I was young and dumb. Cop asked to search my vehicle and I told him that I had a long drive ahead of me and would appreciate it if I could be on my way. Dog got brought out and my car was searched. Hired a good attorney and got the whole thing thrown out at the case filers office for improbable search.

Well yea,of course stuff is easily thrown out a lot,however,what some are saying here is they win anyways because it's gonna cost you regardless (bet that good attorney wasn't cheap)....

It's like a false DUI arrest,you may be innocent as all get out,but they just got you for $5-10k,and maybe even your job by the time you're done fighting it. Lose lose.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Per your last post, I for one would absolutely have a criminal defense attorney ccontest a possession charge. For me, The price of a criminal conviction far outweighs legal defense costs. You should preemptively decide your own balance and proceed accordingly

Of course. But I am wondering if you can avoid being searched in any way.

I don't believe that there is a way. The 4th amendment is only good after the fact. I am wondering if there is a legal way to turn down a search.

If you are at the point of the cop in your face, asking you that very question if he can search. Forget about how you get pulled over. Sometimes people don't know a brake light is out until it's too late.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Well yea,of course stuff is easily thrown out a lot,however,what some are saying here is they win anyways because it's gonna cost you regardless (bet that good attorney wasn't cheap)....

It's like a false DUI arrest,you may be innocent as all get out,but they just got you for $5-10k,and maybe even your job by the time you're done fighting it. Lose lose.

Right. Exactly. Even if you get it tossed it still is a hassle. I am wondering if there is any legal term to somehow deter them from searching.


My shit was such a small affense that they sent a letter in the mail for me to take a 6 week class once a week and pay $350 for the class. Still a hassle. 6 week bullshit class filled with real druggies. Given this was 6-7 years ago. Hopefully now cops wouldn't even hemm you up for that.

 

[festeringZit]

a) anything done to excess is harmful
b) no one is advocating that we legalize use by children; even a decriminalized environment must have sensible regulations
c) even if you are against recreational legalization for reasons posted in that article, the more perplexing viewpoint to me is those against prescription medical use by adults

agreed

 

[slapshot]

i think i love the taste and smoothness of GG#4 more than anything

It's definitely that whoowhee boi...

Is it better then 1967 Testors:think2:

 

[MattyMatt]

Is it better then 1967 Testors:think2:

ointer):toast:

 

[Acebb]

Most state jurisdictions and several federal rulings from past 15 years have determined that "smell of weed" is insufficient cause for a search of a vehicle.

And most certainly an officer claiming "your eyes look glassy" would not even approach PC to legally breach your 4th Amendment protections, even in the lesser protected environs of a traffic stop.

LOL

Marijuana odor justifies warrantless vehicle search, Court of Appeals rules.

"North Carolina courts have determined that the odor of marijuana coming from inside a car constitutes the required probable cause to conduct a search of the vehicle itself"

Multiple rulings in Texas have said the same, Florida's Supreme Court said the same in 2002, Wisconsin 2015.

You seem to confuse what you want to be true with actual fact.

Please don't take legal advice from this nitwit.

 

[SgtLanquel]

Of course. But I am wondering if you can avoid being searched in any way.

I don't believe that there is a way. The 4th amendment is only good after the fact. I am wondering if there is a legal way to turn down a search.

If you are at the point of the cop in your face, asking you that very question if he can search. Forget about how you get pulled over. Sometimes people don't know a brake light is out until it's too late.

If police insist on searching without your consent it is highly advisable to offer no resistance and deal with the legality later.

But be clear that you always have the right to express non-consent to a search of your person, your vehicle and/or your property. Clearly expressing that non-consent is very useful in the event of a subsequent 4th Amendment challenge

 

[Illini]

Bought some CBD capsules today at the grocery store. No THC and 100% legal. Looking forward to trying it. I think it might be THE answer for me.