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I know, but like I said, confronted doesn't mean provoked or assaulted. If it meant that they would have said that in the complaint.

TF, trust me, I'm on your side. I don't think there's anything wrong with asking a guy that looks out of place in your neighborhood what he's up to and I certainly don't think the answer to that is to turn it physical.
 

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How so? If I'm driving through my neighborhood and I observe something I deem questionable, I have the right just as all citizens to walk up and ask questions. That in itself is no legal justification for the other person to begin an assault against me.

You do have that right. But if the person starts running and you start chasing them, they have the right to beat the shit out of you.
 

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You do have that right. But if the person starts running and you start chasing them, they have the right to beat the shit out of you.

I don't think they do AK. I think Martin would've been arrested for assault in all 50 states.
 

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I don't think they do AK. I think Martin would've been arrested for assault in all 50 states.

I 100% disagree. If someone starts chasing me at night, I'm more than free to protect myself and whoop the shit out of them.

Are you guys crazy?
 

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I 100% disagree. If someone starts chasing me at night, I'm more than free to protect myself and whoop the shit out of them.

Are you guys crazy?

But again, that's where we all disagree. GZ's side doesn't think he was chasing him and Martin's side thinks he was. It's all good.
 

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You do have that right. But if the person starts running and you start chasing them, they have the right to beat the shit out of you.

Please show me where it states that Zimmerman was "running and chasing" after Martin.
 

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Please show me where it states that Zimmerman was "running and chasing" after Martin.

"There is the sound of a car door opening at this point, immediately after Zimmerman says “he’s running,” and Zimmerman starts huffing; wind noises can be heard, and Zimmerman sounds slightly breathless. Zimmerman is able to see Trayvon plainly enough at this point to determine his direction, and believes he is going for the back entrance:"
  • Zimmerman: ”Shit, he’s running.”
  • Dispatcher: ”He’s running? Which way is he running?”
  • Zimmerman: ”Down toward the other [back] entrance of the neighborhood.”
 

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"There is the sound of a car door opening at this point, immediately after Zimmerman says “he’s running,” and Zimmerman starts huffing; wind noises can be heard, and Zimmerman sounds slightly breathless. Zimmerman is able to see Trayvon plainly enough at this point to determine his direction, and believes he is going for the back entrance:"

  • Zimmerman: ”Shit, he’s running.”
  • Dispatcher: ”He’s running? Which way is he running?”
  • Zimmerman: ”Down toward the other [back] entrance of the neighborhood.”

Yeah AK, I know there was a foot chase for sure but that doesn't mean GZ didn't stop and head back to his SUV and get jumped from behind either.
 

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Take off the racist glasses and be a realist here for a second. If you are driving and you see someone suspicious and you start following them in your vehicle. Then they recognize you are following them and start running, and you get out of your vehicle to pursue them on foot... you are the fucking aggressor. You are the person that is instigating a confrontation. You have the power to stay in your car, to drive away, to do anything you want. The person you are pursuing is not in control of your actions. And based on your actions you create a confrontation.

Someone gets pissed that you are following them and decides to whoop your ass... that is your fault. You own that confrontation, you own the ass beating, if your only hope is to kill them than that's your responsibility. You were the one who made the decision to create a confrontation.

How can this even be an issue? I don't know anyone who acts kindly to people chasing them down at night.

Well stated. Also ludicrous is the assumption that because Zimmerman ended up on the bottom that Martin MUST have been the aggressor. "Defensive wounds," what a complete and utter crock of shit. Just like there are basketball teams that change defense into offense in the blink of an eye, the same is often true of fights. I see some nitwits here talking about Zimmerman was on his "watchdog duties." WHAT watchdog duties, he wasn't officially a member, for the very good reason that they didn't HAVE an official watchdog outfit and weren't members of the national organization of such outfits-and, oh, btw, that outfit has some very clear cut rules for such people who ARE watchdogs-observe, don't chase and/or confront, and, above all don't carry weapons.
 
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I can't stand Zimmerman either, I hope he does get time just because he is an asshole with some type of mental disorder. Takes a lot of balls to confront somebody in this day and age. I bet he doesn't confront the kid if he doesn't have a gun.

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Well stated. Also ludicrous is the assumption that because Zimmerman ended up on the bottom that Martin MUST have been the aggressor. "Defensive wounds," what a complete and utter crock of shit. Just like there are basketball teams that change defense into offense in the blink of an eye, the same is often true of fights. I see some nitwits here talking about Zimmerman was on his "watchdog duties." WHAT watchdog duties, he wasn't officially a member, for the very good reason that they didn't HAVE an official watchdog outfit and weren't members of the national organization of such outfits-and, oh, btw, that outfit has some very clear cut rules for such people who ARE watchdogs-observe, don't chase and/or confront, and, above all don't carry weapons.

You do realize at the scene of a homicide or assault, one of the first things investigators look at is the wounds of the victim right? What are they looking for? They are looking for defensive wounds. Have you heard that term before? I'm saying the evidence points to Martin being the aggressor. Whether a jury believes that or not is up to them.

And how do you know what the rules of their neighborhood watch program are? I'm not saying I do but I have a feeling you don't either.
 

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You do realize at the scene of a homicide or assault, one of the first things investigators look at is the wounds of the victim right? What are they looking for? They are looking for defensive wounds. Have you heard that term before? I'm saying the evidence points to Martin being the aggressor. Whether a jury believes that or not is up to them.

And how do you know what the rules of their neighborhood watch program are? I'm not saying I do but I have a feeling you don't either.

I know for a 100% fact that there is not a single neighborhood watch program in the country where they are taught to leave their vehicles with a firearm and chase suspicious people. They are actually taught NEVER to do that... for this very reason.
 

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I know for a 100% fact that there is not a single neighborhood watch program in the country where they are taught to leave their vehicles with a firearm and chase suspicious people. They are actually taught NEVER to do that... for this very reason.

Again, you say chase, I say followed and reported. We won't ever agree.
 

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Again, you say chase, I say followed and reported. We won't ever agree.

Reported what?? That there was a black kid in the neighborhood, lol. You act like Trayvon was actively committing a crime and Zimmerman was doing his duty for the neighborhood.
 

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Reported what?? That there was a black kid in the neighborhood, lol. You act like Trayvon was actively committing a crime and Zimmerman was doing his duty for the neighborhood.

I'm just saying reported that he saw a "possible" suspicious guy in his neighborhood. Again, maybe you and I wouldn't think he was suspicious but maybe he did? Hell, I don't know.

And AK, I've never said Martin was doing anything illegal at all. You'll never hear me say that. Dude was walking home with some Iced Tea and some Skittles.
 

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I'm just saying reported that he saw a "possible" suspicious guy in his neighborhood. Again, maybe you and I wouldn't think he was suspicious but maybe he did? Hell, I don't know.

And AK, I've never said Martin was doing anything illegal at all. You'll never hear me say that. Dude was walking home with some Iced Tea and some Skittles.

That's where you get me wrong. I would think he is suspicious in my neighborhood if I didn't know he lived in the neighborhood. But there is a difference between suspicion and downright racism. The bottom line was the suspicion was caused because he was black. If he wasn't black, Z would have driven right by him. There was absolutely no reason for Zimmerman to put Trayvon on the spot like he did. He caused this entire incident and ended up killing someone because they were black and suspicious.
 

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That's where you get me wrong. I would think he is suspicious in my neighborhood if I didn't know he lived in the neighborhood. But there is a difference between suspicion and downright racism. The bottom line was the suspicion was caused because he was black. If he wasn't black, Z would have driven right by him. There was absolutely no reason for Zimmerman to put Trayvon on the spot like he did. He caused this entire incident and ended up killing someone because they were black and suspicious.

Well, that's where we'll really disagree. I don't see anything in this situation that leads a person to believe he thought he was suspicious because Martin was black. I've been wrong before though but to me, this is no a race issue and to make it out to be one is just wrong which is what the media and Sharpton and the crew did.
 

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Well, that's where we'll really disagree. I don't see anything in this situation that leads a person to believe he thought he was suspicious because Martin was black. I've been wrong before though but to me, this is no a race issue and to make it out to be one is just wrong which is what the media and Sharpton and the crew did.

LOL!! Come on man. Every time he called the cops it was reporting suspicious black guys. He even says a racial term on the phone. It is obvious the guy thought Martin was suspicious because he was black.
 

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Zimmerman is going to walk you dumb kunt. Get over it.

ROTFLAMO!!!! You're one of the idiots who thinks Williard is going to win, so I'll give your comments the attention they deserve, which is same, none. And, even if he does walk on this, no slam dunk, they've got him cold on civl rights violations in a 2nd trial, just like those Rodney King cops and those red neck cocksuckers in Mississippi in the 1960s. Get over it. Twit...:finger::finger::missingte:bigfinger:pointer::madasshol:laughingb:fckmad:
 

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LOL!! Come on man. Every time he called the cops it was reporting suspicious black guys. He even says a racial term on the phone. It is obvious the guy thought Martin was suspicious because he was black.

AK, he did not use a racial term on the telephone and only identified him as black when the operator asked him. This is what I'm talking about, did you read the transcript?

Also, an NBC producer got fired for editing the tape to make it sound as if he made a racial slur. Is that what you're thinking?
 

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