The verdict in this case will all boil down to how the jury interprets the evidence and basically what kind of jury he gets(if it gets to that point). I think maybe the best thing for Zimmerman might be to get some jail time(say 3-5 years). If he is found innocent, he will just have to go back into hiding again probably or still fear for his life. His life will no doubt be hell probably for the rest of his life. If he spends a few years in jail, by the time he gets out hopefully all of this will have blown over and he can then maybe lead some kind of normal life and he will have paid his debt to society.
Take off the racist glasses and be a realist here for a second. If you are driving and you see someone suspicious and you start following them in your vehicle. Then they recognize you are following them and start running, and you get out of your vehicle to pursue them on foot... you are the fucking aggressor. You are the person that is instigating a confrontation. You have the power to stay in your car, to drive away, to do anything you want. The person you are pursuing is not in control of your actions. And based on your actions you create a confrontation.
Someone gets pissed that you are following them and decides to whoop your ass... that is your fault. You own that confrontation, you own the ass beating, if your only hope is to kill them than that's your responsibility. You were the one who made the decision to create a confrontation.
How can this even be an issue? I don't know anyone who acts kindly to people chasing them down at night.
Someone gets pissed that you are following them and decides to whoop your ass... that is your fault. You own that confrontation, you own the ass beating, if your only hope is to kill them than that's your responsibility. You were the one who made the decision to create a confrontation.
How can this even be an issue? I don't know anyone who acts kindly to people chasing them down at night.
For about the fourth time now, can you provide a post by me that is racist in your opinion? Now, I've never said you're racist because GZ is a Mexican and I've never challenged your character here. It's time to provide some substance to your accusations. If not, then you have no reason to continue your libel towards me. I understand things get heated on this board and people must have thick skin but I think some things cross the line and purposefully just making stuff up is crossing the line.
I guess what I'm saying is an assault is a crime so if you are provoked then it would be self defense and not assault. AK, we all just differ on the term aggressor and we're not going to agree which is fine. I view GZ has performing his neighborhood duty and you view him as an aggressor. We're just wearing different glasses when looking at this thing. No worries.
I'm curious if you guys think this man was provoked.
A Washington state man fed up with a group of noisy moviegoers behind him, stepped over the seat and punched a 10-year-old boy in the face.
The man was watching "Titanic" in 3-D with his girlfriend and had asked the people sitting behind to quiet down and stop throwing popcorn, but they laughed at him, he said.
"I got so mad that it just happened," Yong Hyun Kim, 31, told police who arrested him the night of April 11 at the AMC Kent Station 14, in Kent, a south Seattle suburb.
The 10-year-old lost a tooth and had a bloody nose in the confrontation.
King County prosecutors charged Kim on May 16 with second-degree assault. If convicted, he could be sentenced to three to nine months in jail, a spokesman for the prosecutor's office said Tuesday.
The Auburn man has not been jailed and will be arraigned May 31 at the Regional Justice Center in Kent, spokesman Dan Donohoe said.
Kim could not be reached for this story and it's unclear whether he has a lawyer. He told police he thought the person he hit was a grown man.
The boy, identified in the police report as KJJ, was at the theater with three friends. They met police in the lobby. They said they were watching the movie and talking when Kim told them to be quiet. They quieted down, but KJJ says when he whispered something, Kim jumped over the seat, threw an iced drink at them and punched KJJ in the face.
Kim said something to the effect of "You know what, I paid a lot of money to see this movie," the police report said.
Kim told police the boys' behavior was worse than talking. He says they were hitting him and his girlfriend with popcorn, running back and forth in the aisle and bumping him with their arms.
"At one point Yong stepped over the seats and confronted the subjects behind him," the police report says. "Yong said he was talking to the subjects when they started laughing at him. Yong said he became so angry and swung his arm at one of the subjects and him in the face."
A manager at the theater referred a request for comment to a corporate spokesman who did not immediately call back.
A Washington state man fed up with a group of noisy moviegoers behind him, stepped over the seat and punched a 10-year-old boy in the face.
The man was watching "Titanic" in 3-D with his girlfriend and had asked the people sitting behind to quiet down and stop throwing popcorn, but they laughed at him, he said.
"I got so mad that it just happened," Yong Hyun Kim, 31, told police who arrested him the night of April 11 at the AMC Kent Station 14, in Kent, a south Seattle suburb.
The 10-year-old lost a tooth and had a bloody nose in the confrontation.
King County prosecutors charged Kim on May 16 with second-degree assault. If convicted, he could be sentenced to three to nine months in jail, a spokesman for the prosecutor's office said Tuesday.
The Auburn man has not been jailed and will be arraigned May 31 at the Regional Justice Center in Kent, spokesman Dan Donohoe said.
Kim could not be reached for this story and it's unclear whether he has a lawyer. He told police he thought the person he hit was a grown man.
The boy, identified in the police report as KJJ, was at the theater with three friends. They met police in the lobby. They said they were watching the movie and talking when Kim told them to be quiet. They quieted down, but KJJ says when he whispered something, Kim jumped over the seat, threw an iced drink at them and punched KJJ in the face.
Kim said something to the effect of "You know what, I paid a lot of money to see this movie," the police report said.
Kim told police the boys' behavior was worse than talking. He says they were hitting him and his girlfriend with popcorn, running back and forth in the aisle and bumping him with their arms.
"At one point Yong stepped over the seats and confronted the subjects behind him," the police report says. "Yong said he was talking to the subjects when they started laughing at him. Yong said he became so angry and swung his arm at one of the subjects and him in the face."
A manager at the theater referred a request for comment to a corporate spokesman who did not immediately call back.
I'm actually fine with what Z was trying to do. I think he probably had good intentions at heart and was looking out for his neighborhood. That part I have no problem with. My problem is that if you are going to do that, you have to understand that some people might not react nicely when being chased and confronted by a stranger who is following them. You are physically making the decision to engage in a confrontation. And you are creating the confrontation. You are now putting the person you are pursuing in to a position to react. The person you are pursuing did nothing to you. In this case all he did was look suspicious.
Z was the instigator. He was responsible for putting Martin into a position to act. Did Martin act appropriately, of course not. The question is would Martin have beat up Z if Z wasn't pursuing him. And of course we know the answer to that. If you are going to put people in to that position, you are responsible for the confrontation. And if you are going in to it because you have the safety of a gun, then you should go in for murder. People who are carrying guns should have more responsibility to avoid confrontations than those that aren't. Because guns give people confidence to do things they normally would not.
We'll just agree to disagree. Personally, I don't think it's normal to get punched in the face when walking up to a guy on the sidewalk (if that's what happened and I believe it did). I feel GZ wasn't making a decision to engage in a confrontation or creating the confrontation. I believe he walked up to the guy and Martin created the confrontation from there. I don't think he put him in any position. I think Martin put himself in a position by his reaction.
We can say the situation wouldn't have escalated had GZ not walked up to Martin and we can also say it wouldn't have escalated had Martin not reacted the way he did either. Either way, I think all of that doesn't matter anyway. What matters in the end is did GZ feel his life was in danger? I'll be curious to see how this ends.
Your problem is you make it seem like it was just a casual encounter. That Z is just this innocent dude who was walking the neighborhood and was going to politely ask Trayvon what he was doing. That is bull shit. Z was on a mission... it wasn't a casual encounter, it wasn't two guys just running in to each other on the sidewalk. It was one individual who thought another individual was up to no good and started pursuing them.
Your claim that Z is all innocent and was just a nice guy trying to figure out what Martin was doing in the neighborhood is incredibly weak.
This is what the entire trial is going to hinge on. What was Zimmerman doing or planning on doing when he got out of the car to pursue him.
I honestly do not think he was trying to fight Trayvon or get in a physical confrontation. With that said, I have absolutely no clue what his intentions were. What did he expect was going to happen if he caught up to Trayvon?
Since when does "confronted" mean "provoked" or "assaulted"? Zimmerman was well within his rights to investigate what he deemed as a stranger in his neighborhood. Whose to say Zimmerman didn't approach Martin, ask him what he was doing in the neighborhood, and that Martin took offense and attacked him?
Is there any evidence that shows that Zimmerman even approached Martin? If so, do words provide a legal justification for Martin to assault Zimmerman?
The evidence I've seen indicates that Martin provoked the attack. It's up to either a judge to dismiss the case or to let it go to trial for a jury to decide.
Your guess is as good as mine as to what he was going to do but I don't think that's what the trial hinges on. I think it hinges on when it became physical, did GZ feel his life was in danger or not. Because let's say Martin did feel threatened and just punched GZ a few times and stopped. Most likely no gun would be pulled I'm guessing.
