All Things, Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman

[vitterd]

Russ, you said yesterday that you could care less about this and it was your last communication on this. Im sure we will hear more from you since you seem to be the obsessed one on here.


And its funny how you can have an opinion and its ok, but when others do that go against you that makes us closed minded. Seems to me, you are the closed minded one who is only seeing one way this thing could have gone down. Ive left it open to many possiblities that could have happened. So you are the closed minded one here, not me...

And by the way, I wear a hoodie all the time in the winter. Guess that makes me a suspicious person...

You have Russ pegged. That's exactly what he does. Calls people close minded when they don't agree with him. Guy is so open minded he has several people on ignore.

Very good point about Zim excuse for getting out of the car looking for an address. Anybody with a brain can understand that is complete bullshit.

 

[Enfuego]

For someone who keeps telling the rest of us that we are making scenarios based on facts we don't know, you certainly continue to do just that. How do you know that Zimmerman only walked up and asked him what he was doing there? How do you know Zimmerman didn't make an aggressive act first before Martin beat the crap out of him? You keep telling us what happened yet you were not there!!!

I made it up huh? Actually, it's on the 911 tape but go ahead and ignore the tape as well. I've said all along I have no clue who made an aggressive act against who. Could've been Martin and could've been Zimmerman. Get your facts straight. You will not see in this entire thread me say I know what happened between them. Epic fail again at trying to tear up my story.

 

[Enfuego]

"Zimmerman walked up to him"...... thats not following though huh? You need to get your stories straight....dont worry though.... you and zit think youre winning...lmao...2 complete fools gettingtheir brains beat in...thankfully it cant do much damage at this point to either one of you

If I walk out on my front porch and see a guy walking down the sidewalk by my house and I walk up to talk with him, NO I am not following him. I am walking up to talk to him. Big difference. Your continued fact finding skills are really suspect. I told you earlier, if you don't know your facts in this forum, guys like me will tear you up.

 

[Enfuego]

you loons are so desperate to defend this guy..... we dont need you do that.... isnt the same thing as dont follow him? You guys are absolute idiots.....

what do you mean we dont know if he followed him? any idiot(besides the usual suspects in here) can see who was following who.... are you guys retarded?

A) I don't take orders from a police dispatcher as he/she has zero authority.
B) "Don't follow him" is direct and "we don't need you to do that" is ambiguous. Not the same thing not that it matters.
C) None of us can prove G Zimmerman followed T Martin. None of us.

 

[wabashwonders]

I made it up huh? Actually, it's on the 911 tape but go ahead and ignore the tape as well. I've said all along I have no clue who made an aggressive act against who. Could've been Martin and could've been Zimmerman. Get your facts straight. You will not see in this entire thread me say I know what happened between them. Epic fail again at trying to tear up my story.

Check out your post #303. In it you say, " It didn't have to be physical but Martin made it physical".

So, first you say Martin made it physical. but now you say you have no clue who made an aggressive act against who. And yet you tell me to get my facts straight and that in the entire thread you don't know what happened.

LOL, you better go back and reread what you been saying dude... you are all over the place.

 

[Enfuego]

Check out your post #303. In it you say, " It didn't have to be physical but Martin made it physical".

So, first you say Martin made it physical. but now you say you have no clue who made an aggressive act against who. And yet you tell me to get my facts straight and that in the entire thread you don't know what happened.

LOL, you better go back and reread what you been saying dude... you are all over the place.

You are an absolute ass clown. I don't know who struck a first blow or who escalated what or how that happened. I do know without a shadow of a doubt that Martin made it physical because of his injuries on his hands and Zimmerman's injuries and the witness statement. We do know Martin made it physical after the confrontation. The facts and evidence clearly indicate that.

Now, if you guys want to keep ignoring what the evidence says, fine with me. This is getting absurd.

 

[Enfuego]

Did Zimmerman walk up to Martin? Maybe
Did Martin turn around walk up to Zimmerman? Maybe
Did Zimmerman grab Martin's arm? Maybe
Did Martin go for Zimmerman's gun? Maybe
Did Martin say he was going to kick Zimmerman's ass? Maybe
Did Martin tell Zimmerman he had a gun? Maybe

Did Martin land all the blows physically on top of Zimmerman? Absolutely

 

[akphidelt]

The question is, what was he gonna do if he caught up to Trayvon? It makes no sense. This is why when you see a suspicious man in the neighborhood you don't get out of your car and chase him. Zimmerman brought the ass whoopin on himself and did the only thing he could to get out of the situation. He created the situation, he deserves to spend some time in jail. It's like some person who drinks a little too much at a party and drives and kills someone on the road. They might be a good person, but you still have to suffer the consequences.

There's more than enough evidence suggesting that the situation could have been avoided if Zimmerman did not get out of his car and pursue the individual. Simple case, the question is how many years in jail.

 

[Enfuego]

Did Zimmerman physically attack Martin? Evidence doesn't indicate that.
Did Zimmerman have marks on his hands? No
Did Martin have other injuries besides a gun shot wound? No
Did Martin look suspicious? Maybe...maybe not.
Could this entire situation be avoided? Absolutely
Did the media show Zimmerman in photos roughly 60 pounds heavier than he really was? Yep
Did the media show a photo of a 14-year-old Martin instead of his current photos? Yep
Did the community rush to judgement? Yep
Did the media influence guys on the RX supporting Martin's case? Yep

 

[vitterd]

If I walk out on my front porch and see a guy walking down the sidewalk by my house and I walk up to talk with him, NO I am not following him. I am walking up to talk to him. Big difference. Your continued fact finding skills are really suspect. I told you earlier, if you don't know your facts in this forum, guys like me will tear you up.

Have you listened to the 911 tape? Does everything have to be spelled out for you? Do you know what a reasonable inference is? It obviously didn't happen the way you described in your on the porch scenerio.

We already know Zimmerman's need for attention. The guy called 911 on a constant basis. Eventually he was gonna do something like this....he probably didn't bargain for an ass kicking though.

 

[Enfuego]

The question is, what was he gonna do if he caught up to Trayvon? It makes no sense. This is why when you see a suspicious man in the neighborhood you don't get out of your car and chase him. Zimmerman brought the ass whoopin on himself and did the only thing he could to get out of the situation. He created the situation, he deserves to spend some time in jail. It's like some person who drinks a little too much at a party and drives and kills someone on the road. They might be a good person, but you still have to suffer the consequences.

There's more than enough evidence suggesting that the situation could have been avoided if Zimmerman did not get out of his car and pursue the individual. Simple case, the question is how many years in jail.

And the answer from the reasonable thinkers here at the RX is "we don't know." The guys on Martin's side say without a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman was going to confront and attack Martin. See the difference?

You've already admitted it's possible that Zim walked up and then walked away and Martin attacked him from behind. If that happened (it's possible) then what situation did Zim create? Why does he deserve an ass kicking for simply walking up to a guy on the street? Are we now saying if you walk up to someone, they can beat you up and it's ok?

 

[Enfuego]

Have you listened to the 911 tape? Does everything have to be spelled out for you? Do you know what a reasonable inference is? It obviously didn't happen the way you described in your on the porch scenerio.

We already know Zimmerman's need for attention. The guy called 911 on a constant basis. Eventually he was gonna do something like this....he probably didn't bargain for an ass kicking though.

What does Zimmerman calling 911 previously acting in his neighborhood watch capacity have to do with this case?

I guess I should just agree with you. If I walk up to talk to a guy on the LV Strip at 2:00 A.M., he should be able to kick my ass without repercussion. I get it now. You've changed my mind.

 

[vitterd]

Did Zimmerman physically attack Martin? Evidence doesn't indicate that.
Did Zimmerman have marks on his hands? No
Did Martin have other injuries besides a gun shot wound? No
Did Martin look suspicious? Maybe...maybe not.
Could this entire situation be avoided? Absolutely
Did the media show Zimmerman in photos roughly 60 pounds heavier than he really was? Yep
Did the media show a photo of a 14-year-old Martin instead of his current photos? Yep
Did the community rush to judgement? Yep
Did the media influence guys on the RX supporting Martin's case? Yep

Do Martin have any other injuries than the gunshot wound?

Really?

Jeez man....you would think zimmerman is your brother. He deserves jail time. No doubt about it.

 

[Enfuego]

Face it clowns. Martin was a thug and decided to be a tough guy and physically attack another human being and when he did, he got shot and killed. He made a bad decision and lost his life. You can't put your hands on other people.

 

[Enfuego]

Do Martin have any other injuries than the gunshot wound?

Really?

Jeez man....you would think zimmerman is your brother. He deserves jail time. No doubt about it.

Did Martin have black eyes, a broken nose and laceration on his head? Did he sustain injuries consistent with a physical beating? Yes or no.

 

[wabashwonders]

You are an absolute ass clown. I don't know who struck a first blow or who escalated what or how that happened. I do know without a shadow of a doubt that Martin made it physical because of his injuries on his hands and Zimmerman's injuries and the witness statement. We do know Martin made it physical after the confrontation. The facts and evidence clearly indicate that.

Now, if you guys want to keep ignoring what the evidence says, fine with me. This is getting absurd.

yea I am a clown and you re a fucking idiot. So, just because Martin has bruised knuckles, that means he started the fight and made it phyical? good one. And the witness only saw them on the ground with one on top of the other. He did not see the fight start, so he does not know who started it. Your madeup facts are not clear just like everything else in this case.

And by the way, I want you to go back and find 1 single post where I make any kind of accusation as to what happened. If you go back and read the entire thread you will see that I was the first to respond and say that you need to wait for all the facts to be in before making any accusations. I have questioned many things, mainly why Zimmerman thought Martin was suspicious enough to follow him. But I have never 1 time made any accusation as to what happened. Unlike you have.

 

[vitterd]

What does Zimmerman calling 911 previously acting in his neighborhood watch capacity have to do with this case?

You don't think constant calls to 911 on many previous occasions says anything about this guy? Pattern of behavior of being obsessed with police activity. Always wanting to involve himself. Speaks to the person he is.....guy was always looking to be involved...he pursued Martin ...got his ass beat and shot and killed the kid.

 

[akphidelt]

And the answer from the reasonable thinkers here at the RX is "we don't know." The guys on Martin's side say without a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman was going to confront and attack Martin. See the difference?

You've already admitted it's possible that Zim walked up and then walked away and Martin attacked him from behind. If that happened (it's possible) then what situation did Zim create? Why does he deserve an ass kicking for simply walking up to a guy on the street? Are we now saying if you walk up to someone, they can beat you up and it's ok?

You are insane. The evidence shows the Zimmerman was in active pursuit of an individual that he thought was suspicious and Trayvon knew he was being followed. You act as if Zimmerman was just casually walking around the neighborhood and got jumped out of the blue, lol. Stop playing dumb, any reasonably non biased person can look at what happened and know that Zimmerman was following an individual. Even Zimmerman acknowledged that the individual started running. The cops acknowledged that the evidence points to Trayvon running in the direction of his home. Bottom line is Zimmerman left his vehicle with the intention to pursue Martin. That's all you need to know for Zimmerman to be put behind bars for couple years.

 

[wabashwonders]

Did Zimmerman physically attack Martin? Evidence doesn't indicate that.
Did Zimmerman have marks on his hands? No
Did Martin have other injuries besides a gun shot wound? No
Did Martin look suspicious? Maybe...maybe not.
Could this entire situation be avoided? Absolutely
Did the media show Zimmerman in photos roughly 60 pounds heavier than he really was? Yep
Did the media show a photo of a 14-year-old Martin instead of his current photos? Yep
Did the community rush to judgement? Yep
Did the media influence guys on the RX supporting Martin's case? Yep

Let me ask you this. Everyone seems to agree that this could have been avoided. What do you think is the 1 single thing, just 1 not 2 or 3, that would have avoided this entire thing?

 

[vitterd]

Did Martin have black eyes, a broken nose and laceration on his head? Did he sustain injuries consistent with a physical beating? Yes or no.

No.....just that pesky little bullet wound.

We also don't know if Zim used the gun as a threat and martin defended himself.

We do know this...if zimmerman avoided the situation and didn't follow a kid because he looked "suspicious" that kid would be alive.