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I really don't see what is so difficult here guys.

The bottom line is this...did George Zimmerman feel his life or the life of another was in immediate danger of serious bodily harm or death? If yes, then he has the right to stop the immediate threat (I can see after looking at his injuries why he might think he was in big danger). If no, then he does not have this right.

So, did he or did he not think he was going to be seriously injured or perhaps even die? That will be for a jury to decide but once that jury sees those injuries on his head, two black eyes and a broken nose, I don't see any possible way to convict him.

You could say the exact same thing for Trayvon except for the injuries part, because he took self defense in to his own hands and whooped some ass old school style.
 

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You could say the exact same thing for Trayvon except for the injuries part, because he took self defense in to his own hands and whooped some ass old school style.

Of course you could say that but he had no injuries and that's not what the case is about. Witness statements corroborate Zimmerman's story as do the injuries. This will be interesting.
 
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I really don't see what is so difficult here guys.

The bottom line is this...did George Zimmerman feel his life or the life of another was in immediate danger of serious bodily harm or death? If yes, then he has the right to stop the immediate threat (I can see after looking at his injuries why he might think he was in big danger). If no, then he does not have this right.

So, did he or did he not think he was going to be seriously injured or perhaps even die? That will be for a jury to decide but once that jury sees those injuries on his head, two black eyes and a broken nose, I don't see any possible way to convict him.
But why did he approach Martin in the first place? What exactly made this kid suspicious?
 

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But why did he approach Martin in the first place? What exactly made this kid suspicious?

Ask yourself this question? Why does it matter why Zimmerman approached him? Just a few scenarios that could've happened...

1) Zimmerman walks up and says "hey, what's going on?" Martin punches him and kicks his ass and Zimmerman shoots him.
2) Zimmerman walks up and says "hey, what's going on?" Martin says screw you, Zimmerman walks back to his car, Martin attacks him and Zimmerman shoots him.
3) Zimmerman walks up and shoots him without a word being said.
4) Zimmerman walks up and without saying a word, Martin attacks him.

In all of those scenarios, does it matter to the case whatsoever why Zimmerman walked up to him?
 
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Ask yourself this question? Why does it matter why Zimmerman approached him? Just a few scenarios that could've happened...

1) Zimmerman walks up and says "hey, what's going on?" Martin punches him and kicks his ass and Zimmerman shoots him.
2) Zimmerman walks up and says "hey, what's going on?" Martin says screw you, Zimmerman walks back to his car, Martin attacks him and Zimmerman shoots him.
3) Zimmerman walks up and shoots him without a word being said.
4) Zimmerman walks up and without saying a word, Martin attacks him.

In all of those scenarios, does it matter to the case whatsoever why Zimmerman walked up to him?
You still didn't answer the question. I will answer yours. Yes it does matter. Now answer mine.
 

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But why did he approach Martin in the first place? What exactly made this kid suspicious?

I will appease you and answer your question according to what I know happened. Acting in his role as a neighborhood watchman (no dispute here), he knew there had been a rash of burglaries in his neighborhood and felt Martin looked suspicious.

I have no clue why he thought he looked suspicious or what led him to come to that conclusion. I don't know what was going on in his mind and don't want to guess.

At the end of the day, he thought he was suspicious and approached him. Why does this matter? I have no idea.
 

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I really don't see what is so difficult here guys.

The bottom line is this...did George Zimmerman feel his life or the life of another was in immediate danger of serious bodily harm or death? If yes, then he has the right to stop the immediate threat (I can see after looking at his injuries why he might think he was in big danger). If no, then he does not have this right.

So, did he or did he not think he was going to be seriously injured or perhaps even die? That will be for a jury to decide but once that jury sees those injuries on his head, two black eyes and a broken nose, I don't see any possible way to convict him.

I concur

then I hope he sues and wins against the race baiting Al Sharpton.
 
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I will appease you and answer your question according to what I know happened. Acting in his role as a neighborhood watchman (no dispute here), he knew there had been a rash of burglaries in his neighborhood and felt Martin looked suspicious.

I have no clue why he thought he looked suspicious or what led him to come to that conclusion. I don't know what was going on in his mind and don't want to guess.

At the end of the day, he thought he was suspicious and approached him. Why does this matter? I have no idea.
It matters a great deal because if Zimmerman had no reason to "be suspicious of Martin and follow him" then that would make him the aggressor and his self defense claim would not be as strong. If he had not followed Martin in the first place none of this would have happened. So, it does matter a great deal as to why Zimmerman felt Martin was suspicious.
 

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It matters a great deal because if Zimmerman had no reason to "be suspicious of Martin and follow him" then that would make him the aggressor and his self defense claim would not be as strong. If he had not followed Martin in the first place none of this would have happened. So, it does matter a great deal as to why Zimmerman felt Martin was suspicious.

I don't agree.

Let's say Zimmerman did follow him and actually walked up to him. Let's say in a calm manner he said "hey, what are you doing here?" Martin then says "none of your business." So Zimmerman turns to walk away and Martin attacks him. Who is the aggressor?

Just because he walked up to the guy does not mean he was aggressive. We all walk up to people each day.
 

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When did Florida pass a law making it illegal to follow someone? Is it also illegal to approach someone and ask them a question? So, if a person walks up to you and asks "what are you doing here?", that gives them the right to attack them physically?

Florida has some strange laws.
 
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I don't agree.

Let's say Zimmerman did follow him and actually walked up to him. Let's say in a calm manner he said "hey, what are you doing here?" Martin then says "none of your business." So Zimmerman turns to walk away and Martin attacks him. Who is the aggressor?

Just because he walked up to the guy does not mean he was aggressive. We all walk up to people each day.
LMAO.. And you know for a fact that this is how it happened? I love all these scenarios you keep making up. Unfortunately, you were not there so have no idea what was said or whether it was said in a "calm manner",lol. How do you know Zimmerman did not walk up and say, " Hey [racial slur], what are you doing here?" I am not saying this is what was said, but it could have been just as easily as what you are trying to say what was said. None of us knows what was said, so don't try and make something up just to fit what you think happened.

And still no one on this site has answered my question(probably because no one has a good answer). What exactly made Trevor Martin suspicious to Zimmerman to make him call the cops and then follow him? I am pretty sure I know the answer, but why can't anyone tell me who seems to think Zimmerman did the right thing here? Enfuego admits that he does not know, but yet he seems to know everything else that happened that night...
 

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LMAO.. And you know for a fact that this is how it happened? I love all these scenarios you keep making up. Unfortunately, you were not there so have no idea what was said or whether it was said in a "calm manner",lol. How do you know Zimmerman did not walk up and say, " Hey [racial slur], what are you doing here?" I am not saying this is what was said, but it could have been just as easily as what you are trying to say what was said. None of us knows what was said, so don't try and make something up just to fit what you think happened.

And still no one on this site has answered my question(probably because no one has a good answer). What exactly made Trevor Martin suspicious to Zimmerman to make him call the cops and then follow him? I am pretty sure I know the answer, but why can't anyone tell me who seems to think Zimmerman did the right thing here? Enfuego admits that he does not know, but yet he seems to know everything else that happened that night...


So in one sentence you state nobody has any idea what was said, then in another you are pretty sure what was said. Let me guess, it was something racial?

You must be in direct contact with Sharpton.
 
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So in one sentence you state nobody has any idea what was said, then in another you are pretty sure what was said. Let me guess, it was something racial?

You must be in direct contact with Sharpton.
Do you know how to read? Where did I say I am pretty sure I know what was said? I said I am pretty sure I know why Zimmerman thought he was suspicious, NOT what was said. Why do you think Zimmerman thought he was suspicious? He was walking on the street returning home from the store. What makes this suspicious?
 

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Zim found him suspicious because he was black....end of story...if the guy looked like Donnie Osmond, zim woulda went back to playing cops and robbers with his action figures.
 

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Your first statement is correct however, and it should be applied in most cases, nobody that wasn't there knows what happened, even the police. It's up to them to try and piece together what happened using evidence and statements. Of course the other person who knows what happened is dead, so that makes it tougher.

From what I've read though, the Sanford PD really botched the initial investigation.
 
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Zim found him suspicious because he was black....end of story...if the guy looked like Donnie Osmond, zim woulda went back to playing cops and robbers with his action figures.

You continue to confirm that you are the biggest fucking idiot in this forum.

Carry on.
 

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Autopsy report out now says Treyvon's knuckles were busted open. Seems he may have been shot while punching someone. I'm guessing that will probably help Zimmermon's case.
 

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Did you guys see the lawyer representing Trayvons family?
Could you understand all tht he was saying?
If that fucking mope wins with his gibberish, then there really is no hope for the judicial system.
 

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You continue to confirm that you are the biggest fucking idiot in this forum.

Carry on.

Your opinion on everything means nothing. Accept your rent a cop is a racist who got his ass beat and turned to his gun...if it wasn't Martin it woulda been someone else.
 

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Did you guys see the lawyer representing Trayvons family?
Could you understand all tht he was saying?
If that fucking mope wins with his gibberish, then there really is no hope for the judicial system.

Yes I saw him. He does not appear to be the brightest attorney.

And no I didn’t understand what relevance his statements had on the criminal case.

But keep in mind he’ll be suing for money in civil court and will likely get an out of court settlement.
 

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