...and city hall is just around the corner.
I was thinking about "Bama's football team and how the loosening up of pot laws would impact them as players. Pot goes 100% legit here in Oregon on July 1st. The question then becomes what position will the public universities here take? That confounds me. After all the public schools are an arm of the state and its legislature that tell us pot ain't no big deal now. Tell your kids to just say no, meanwhile the state tells your kids to just say yes. As I said, I am confounded. I cannot reconcile both extremes.
Something no one has mentioned very often is also proving to be an unanticipated surprise. Other than relieving an already choked up and a very lumbering and costly court system, pot legalization has proven to be a huge cash cow for a state where it is already legal... like Colorado. Did someone say cash cow? Oh my.
I don't care to dip my toe into this political discussion and take sides here, but I have heard the above arguments spoken for years and years and from the most objective point of view that I can muster, I would have to say that the proponents of legalization were correct in their arguments concerning law enforcement budgets, court expenses and as a potential source of income for the state... so much so in fact that the fragrance of money and kush in state capitols have caught the attention of a lot of lawmakers across the nation - even in Alabama. Not even the Mexicans can do anything to stop it. Face it, with money at its back, the winds of pot are blowing your way.
Forget about that stoner chick in the first video. Clover, that bitch is EXCRUCIATINGLY boring. If she was my mother, I'd probably kill myself.
I was thinking about "Bama's football team and how the loosening up of pot laws would impact them as players. Pot goes 100% legit here in Oregon on July 1st. The question then becomes what position will the public universities here take? That confounds me. After all the public schools are an arm of the state and its legislature that tell us pot ain't no big deal now. Tell your kids to just say no, meanwhile the state tells your kids to just say yes. As I said, I am confounded. I cannot reconcile both extremes.
Something no one has mentioned very often is also proving to be an unanticipated surprise. Other than relieving an already choked up and a very lumbering and costly court system, pot legalization has proven to be a huge cash cow for a state where it is already legal... like Colorado. Did someone say cash cow? Oh my.
I don't care to dip my toe into this political discussion and take sides here, but I have heard the above arguments spoken for years and years and from the most objective point of view that I can muster, I would have to say that the proponents of legalization were correct in their arguments concerning law enforcement budgets, court expenses and as a potential source of income for the state... so much so in fact that the fragrance of money and kush in state capitols have caught the attention of a lot of lawmakers across the nation - even in Alabama. Not even the Mexicans can do anything to stop it. Face it, with money at its back, the winds of pot are blowing your way.
Forget about that stoner chick in the first video. Clover, that bitch is EXCRUCIATINGLY boring. If she was my mother, I'd probably kill myself.
And then what? The NCAA has you kicked off the team, so you run for public office and become a state Senator
then pass a few laws that will in effect separate the NCAA from its money for committing frivolous acts that have
no basis in fact. Not in Oregon anyway. I thought that the NCAA was supposed to cooperate with and support
the government. With all the turnarounds exhibited by state legislators regarding their position on marijuana use,
how much pressure will it take to force the NCAA to keep within its own charter and not overreach its authority,
especially when no laws have been broken and there is no evidence of impropriety? There is even a bill currently on
the House floor that removes pot from any list of controlled substances.
I bet you that there will be thousands of fans sparking up a joint at Autzen in the stands this season. What will the
players reactions to that be? What will the NCAA have to say when it's not just Colorado or Oregon or Washington
or California? Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Alabama have their own plans and they are also in the mix. A bill legalizing
medical marijuana is currently on the House floor in Knoxville. And so on. Now with all of this reconsideration of laws
happening so many places, who is the NCAA to throw up roadblocks? Not a single NCAA member was voted in by the
people they govern. Are you a fan of the way the NCAA gets things done Loomis?
then pass a few laws that will in effect separate the NCAA from its money for committing frivolous acts that have
no basis in fact. Not in Oregon anyway. I thought that the NCAA was supposed to cooperate with and support
the government. With all the turnarounds exhibited by state legislators regarding their position on marijuana use,
how much pressure will it take to force the NCAA to keep within its own charter and not overreach its authority,
especially when no laws have been broken and there is no evidence of impropriety? There is even a bill currently on
the House floor that removes pot from any list of controlled substances.
I bet you that there will be thousands of fans sparking up a joint at Autzen in the stands this season. What will the
players reactions to that be? What will the NCAA have to say when it's not just Colorado or Oregon or Washington
or California? Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Alabama have their own plans and they are also in the mix. A bill legalizing
medical marijuana is currently on the House floor in Knoxville. And so on. Now with all of this reconsideration of laws
happening so many places, who is the NCAA to throw up roadblocks? Not a single NCAA member was voted in by the
people they govern. Are you a fan of the way the NCAA gets things done Loomis?
Conan , the Alabama legislature approved medical marijuana , BUT , it will only be dispensed in the form of pills and oils. ... NO smokable forms will be dispensed.
According to Kinky Friedman of Texas , Colorado (and Oregon) missed the boat on the cash cow. YES they are raking in tax dollars but they are only getting the sales tax and income tax form sellers/growers. .... Friedman suuggests that if the states grow it themselves through the department of agriculture they will tax every phase. .... The states should grow it , process it , distribute it , and sell it and they end up with multiple layers of taxes (kind of like states that have abc for alcohol)
According to Kinky Friedman of Texas , Colorado (and Oregon) missed the boat on the cash cow. YES they are raking in tax dollars but they are only getting the sales tax and income tax form sellers/growers. .... Friedman suuggests that if the states grow it themselves through the department of agriculture they will tax every phase. .... The states should grow it , process it , distribute it , and sell it and they end up with multiple layers of taxes (kind of like states that have abc for alcohol)
That may be true for the time being Ty. That is how the whole thing started but it's not where it ends.
I don't have exact figures for taxes, licenses and whatever cut the state takes from "state licensed dispensaries"
that will soon be allowed to sell their goods to anyone instead of exclusively to medical marijuana cardholders as
it is for a couple of months longer. There are a few marijuana dispensaries near where I live. A renter of mine is
tight with a couple of dispensary owners who pay a yearly fee to maintain a state license allowing them to sell.
The records they are required to keep rival a banking operation. Further state revenue from dispensary sales to
its clients is still on the boards and settling on a reasonable tax rate only needs to be decided and then plugged
into the system when the current rates and amounts become moot. Currently medical patients pay about $150/yr.
for their card. Then they are allowed to purchase about 3 lbs./yr. which breaks down to about one ounce per week.
I think the cost for the primo shit is about $200/oz. in Oregon, less for less popular "brands." I haven't bought any
since I was a teenager so I may be off a bit on market prices. But I've been told by people in other states that they
must pay anywhere from $400/oz in Texas to something in excess of $800 to $1000 per ounce in states like Alaska
and New York.
I'm a bit confused by your claim that it's too late to ride the cash cow. There seems to be too much money floating
around the "industry" for anyone to know how to stick their noses into every aspect of the marijuana business and
collect money for licensing growers, users and dispensaries in addition to collecting taxes for its sale. Consider the
wine industry in California, wine grapes being the biggest cash crop in the state for many years. Then along comes
pot about 30-35 years ago kicking out the wine industry as the largest agriculture revenue producer in the state. We
all know where that industry has gone since California wine has gained a lot of prestige in world markets. But can you
just imagine how large marijuana production has grown for it to take the top spot away from California wine grapes
and hold onto the top spot continuously for over 30 years?
I don't have exact figures for taxes, licenses and whatever cut the state takes from "state licensed dispensaries"
that will soon be allowed to sell their goods to anyone instead of exclusively to medical marijuana cardholders as
it is for a couple of months longer. There are a few marijuana dispensaries near where I live. A renter of mine is
tight with a couple of dispensary owners who pay a yearly fee to maintain a state license allowing them to sell.
The records they are required to keep rival a banking operation. Further state revenue from dispensary sales to
its clients is still on the boards and settling on a reasonable tax rate only needs to be decided and then plugged
into the system when the current rates and amounts become moot. Currently medical patients pay about $150/yr.
for their card. Then they are allowed to purchase about 3 lbs./yr. which breaks down to about one ounce per week.
I think the cost for the primo shit is about $200/oz. in Oregon, less for less popular "brands." I haven't bought any
since I was a teenager so I may be off a bit on market prices. But I've been told by people in other states that they
must pay anywhere from $400/oz in Texas to something in excess of $800 to $1000 per ounce in states like Alaska
and New York.
I'm a bit confused by your claim that it's too late to ride the cash cow. There seems to be too much money floating
around the "industry" for anyone to know how to stick their noses into every aspect of the marijuana business and
collect money for licensing growers, users and dispensaries in addition to collecting taxes for its sale. Consider the
wine industry in California, wine grapes being the biggest cash crop in the state for many years. Then along comes
pot about 30-35 years ago kicking out the wine industry as the largest agriculture revenue producer in the state. We
all know where that industry has gone since California wine has gained a lot of prestige in world markets. But can you
just imagine how large marijuana production has grown for it to take the top spot away from California wine grapes
and hold onto the top spot continuously for over 30 years?
Yeah conan , i dont know enough about it to really comment. I was just relaying what kinky friedman said on the imus show when he was running for texas agriculture commissioner. ...He said colorado was losing out on millions by allowing independent growers and sellers.
He wanted to get it legal in texas but wanted the state to do all the growing through the dept of ag , and then have every other phase taxed like states that have abc boards with alcohol.
99% of the time i'm in favor of capatalism , but this might be the 1% that i'm not. I agree with kinky no point in letting independent growers and retailers make all the money , let the state get every red cent.
He wanted to get it legal in texas but wanted the state to do all the growing through the dept of ag , and then have every other phase taxed like states that have abc boards with alcohol.
99% of the time i'm in favor of capatalism , but this might be the 1% that i'm not. I agree with kinky no point in letting independent growers and retailers make all the money , let the state get every red cent.
And also by the way, perhaps you are aware that the Sate of Oregon operates all liquor stores in
the state (instead of just licensing and taxing liquor sales as it is done almost everywhere else.)
No liquor store stays open past 7 PM Monday through Saturday - no liquor sales at all on Sunday.
Most liquor stores here keep a paltry minimum stock on hand and the ambiance and mood in the
store reminds me of a funeral parlor. I was reminded of this when Kinky suggested that states
grow the weed, then process it and sell it. I must disagree with that position.
It appears that the State of Oregon has thoroughly botched any meager attempt it made to
operate its liquor business with any kind of marketing appeal, customer friendly business hours
or even by demonstrating that it is capable of maintaining adequate stock on hand to meet the
demands of its customers. I think everyone would be better off if the state just stuck to what
it does best like maintaining roads and prisons, hiring state troopers, issuing welfare checks and
suspending drivers licenses.
the state (instead of just licensing and taxing liquor sales as it is done almost everywhere else.)
No liquor store stays open past 7 PM Monday through Saturday - no liquor sales at all on Sunday.
Most liquor stores here keep a paltry minimum stock on hand and the ambiance and mood in the
store reminds me of a funeral parlor. I was reminded of this when Kinky suggested that states
grow the weed, then process it and sell it. I must disagree with that position.
It appears that the State of Oregon has thoroughly botched any meager attempt it made to
operate its liquor business with any kind of marketing appeal, customer friendly business hours
or even by demonstrating that it is capable of maintaining adequate stock on hand to meet the
demands of its customers. I think everyone would be better off if the state just stuck to what
it does best like maintaining roads and prisons, hiring state troopers, issuing welfare checks and
suspending drivers licenses.
I knew there are 17 full states and half of minnesota and 2 counties in maryland that are fully abc regulated , but i did NOT know oregon was one of them. ...That kinda surprises me.
Alabama is in the process of closing 13 state parks due to lack of funding , but in december the governor approved a 7 million dollar infusion to the abc board for a moonshine task force. ....Hehe , you cant make this shit up.
Colorado is being tight lipped about profits that come from Marijuana. Imo, they are making $ on it while they can as the state has relied upon tourism both from the ski industry and imo the best tine time to visit the rockies which no doubt is the summer. Honestly I don't see how one can justify Alcohol being legal, but weed cannot be.
Can't say that I disagree with your opinion, however are you suggesting that the OMMP (Ore. Med. Marijuana Prgm.) is not in charge anymore? I can understand if OMMP is being dissolved because it no longer serves a purpose but my tenant just paid the $150 for his annual medical card renewal fee and I believe that it went through OMMP as it always has. Gotta be vigilant about these things if I am to be assured of keeping my homestead free of trouble.
If you want to see something that will grab your interest, go to Google Earth and find an aerial view of a few So. Oregon towns (Sunny Valley, Williams, Murphy, Merlin, Talent, Rogue River, Jacksonville, Ashland, Phoenix, etc.) If you zoom in to a height that is well above the rooftops, you will see round mounds of dirt or planter pots 3'-4' in diameter in folks yards in ntly arranged rows and almost ALWAYS in groups of 12 or 24. Those numbers reflect the fact that it is pot because those numbers represent a couple of common limits (12 and 24) that could very easily represent the number of plants permitted per patient (6) for growers to meet their needs. What I find interesting about this is that anyone can get this info right over the web.
Where marijuana is prescribed for medical use under OMMP law, the quota is 6 plants per patient, 4 patients per grower and 4 growers per physical address per year. (The maximum number of pot plants allowed per physical address under this statute is 4.) And also if are you are going to be coming up here, please tell the Mexicans living in our pristine forests to take a hike. When the new statute takes effect on July 1, 2015, anyone in Oregon that wants to grow their own pot will be allowed 4 plants per year for personal use.
Last paragraph...
This sentence reads: (The maximum number of pot plants allowed per physical address under this statute is 4.)
Instead it should read: (The maximum number of pot plants allowed per physical address (plantation) under this statute is 96.)
Now for a little math:
*Each patient's grower plants 6 plants per patient... (6)
*Each grower may grow 6 pot plants for up to 4 patients... (6 x 4 = 24)
*Each physical address (plantation) may have as many as 4
..growers, each of whom have a full boat (24) of patients... (4 x 24 =96)
*Net production = 96 marijuana plants per plantation.
*Each plant yields an approximate average of of 2½ lbs of finished product per plant
..at an approximate selling price of $1000/lb. 96 x 2½ lbs = 240 lbs. or $240,000.
*Most of that is sold to dispensaries run by the state.
I think I will be raising someone's rent here pretty soon.
I don't feel sorry for him or his kids or his old lady anymore.
OK that's enough of this.
I am wondering how many here feel as though they chose the wrong career?
My tenant's name is Dave. He is not as indigent nor as ignorant as he looks.
This sentence reads: (The maximum number of pot plants allowed per physical address under this statute is 4.)
Instead it should read: (The maximum number of pot plants allowed per physical address (plantation) under this statute is 96.)
Now for a little math:
*Each patient's grower plants 6 plants per patient... (6)
*Each grower may grow 6 pot plants for up to 4 patients... (6 x 4 = 24)
*Each physical address (plantation) may have as many as 4
..growers, each of whom have a full boat (24) of patients... (4 x 24 =96)
*Net production = 96 marijuana plants per plantation.
*Each plant yields an approximate average of of 2½ lbs of finished product per plant
..at an approximate selling price of $1000/lb. 96 x 2½ lbs = 240 lbs. or $240,000.
*Most of that is sold to dispensaries run by the state.
I think I will be raising someone's rent here pretty soon.
I don't feel sorry for him or his kids or his old lady anymore.
OK that's enough of this.
I am wondering how many here feel as though they chose the wrong career?
My tenant's name is Dave. He is not as indigent nor as ignorant as he looks.
