Ace, King

[SVT_Cobra]

Personally I think all in pre flop isn't a good move no matter what you have. What's in the pot at that time? Some one could have pocket dueces and comes the flop with another 2.

My opinion is to play a bit agressive and see what the flop brings. Then you can decide what to do from there.

 

[oldmanTED]

BB:

Glad you got my message. I know which is the stronger play but rather then offend anyone, I wanted to encourage anyone that plays hold'em to educate themselves on the percentages. The more knowledge you have as to your position at the table, the more correct decisions you will make and therefore the more profit you will turn. My best to you. You will not be sorry.

 

[bigbet1234]

Thanks Ted, i have been getting a bit lucky i think. i have read a couple books, but i want to know the % like you said.

again, thanks for the response.

BB

BB:

Glad you got my message. I know which is the stronger play but rather then offend anyone, I wanted to encourage anyone that plays hold'em to educate themselves on the percentages. The more knowledge you have as to your position at the table, the more correct decisions you will make and therefore the more profit you will turn. My best to you. You will not be sorry.

 

[oldmanTED]

Thanks Ted, i have been getting a bit lucky i think. i have read a couple books, but i want to know the % like you said.

again, thanks for the response.

BB

BB:

When I see players guessing what hand is better then another it makes me cringe, unless I am sitting at a table taking advantage of my opponent. If you want to master this game, you must dedicate yourself to becoming a student of the game. Spend the time and you will be rewarded I promise you that.

 

[Fishhead]

HEADS-UP--- 2-2 has a 53-47% edge over A-K offsuit.

-F-

 

[SVT_Cobra]

BB:

When I see players guessing what hand is better then another it makes me cringe, unless I am sitting at a table taking advantage of my opponent. If you want to master this game, you must dedicate yourself to becoming a student of the game. Spend the time and you will be rewarded I promise you that.

Very true. It all comes down to stats and math.

 

[Fishhead]

HEADS-UP--- 2-2 has a 53-47% edge over A-K offsuit.

-F-

In contrast, A-K SUITED has a very very very slight edge over 2-2 heads-up

-FISHHEAD-

 

[oldmanTED]

Very true. It all comes down to stats and math.

SVT_Cobra:

The game is much more then stats and math but knowing the percentages is a very important element toward improving your win percentage.

 

[Anonymous1]

fish..and how many calling the pot and its size... as spoken prior..knowledge of the positions is very very important..ring game versus tourney is two different things...so is the price of the game when 2,2 v. Ak...just as there is value in certain sports wagers...

 

[Fishhead]

fish..and how many calling the pot and its size... as spoken prior..knowledge of the positions is very very important..ring game versus tourney is two different things...so is the price of the game when 2,2 v. Ak...just as there is value in certain sports wagers...

Those are HEADS-UP in a showdown odds

-F-

 

[Fishhead]

A-K suited is a 50.1 to 49.9% favorite over 2-2 in a showdown.

-F-

 

[D2bets]

Too many variables to make an accurate assesment. I have actaully found myself folding AA preflop. Not an easy thing to do, but sometimes it can be the right thing.

I'm a poker novice to be sure, but I'm ballfed on this one. Why would you fold AA preflop? Is there a better hand?

 

[royalfan]

Too many variables to make an accurate assesment. I have actaully found myself folding AA preflop. Not an easy thing to do, but sometimes it can be the right thing.

Could you please walk us through one of the situations where this would be prudent please?

 

[max1234]

Royal,

Here's a simple scenario when it's prudent to fold AA preflop.... Touney pays 100 spots. You're in the big blind with below average stack. Two players with equal stacks go all in. There are 101 players left in the tourney. The smart thing to do in this situation is lay down the AA's and make the money. AA against two players is far from the nuts.

 

[Baker]

Max-

The situation you detailed seems like a perfect chance to me to triple up. If you make 100 place the amount of money you would make would be negligible compared to where you would finish if you won the hand. The chances are your opponents are either on A-K or A-Q (which would be great) or big underpairs. Either way they would be drawing to beat you.

The only chance I can see where you may want to fold AA is if you were on the final table with a very very small stack (easily the smallest on the table) and two other players with large, preferably equal stacks, went all in. This way you would be bumped up one place and that place would pay considerably more.

To answer the original question of the thread. No you shouldn't of reraised. The object of your raise was to get someone heads up, which it sounds you may have accomplished. When your opponent reraised that should of told you that he had a stronger hand than you, atleast QQ. Either way your reraise did nothing to get you closer to winning the pot. Unless your opponent was one of the blinds your raise wouldn't get you a free card on the turn either. I can't think of a reason another raise would have been appropriate.

Baker

 

[BaseballGuy]

Raised on AK, get re-raised, so i go all in dude had pocket Aces, played correctly?

BB

No

 

[BaseballGuy]

AA is a friggin curse for me.. I swear I lose 80% of the time..no matter how I play it... slow play..all in pre flop... doesnt matter I hate seeing them, as retarded as that sounds.

pocket 10's are my hand...

That's because morons go all in with AK thinking it's gold.

In the long run you will win.

 

[Kruser6]

Baseball guy- You are 100% correct on it all being about the long run. Anything you do in gambling is always about the long-run and not about the short-run. Whether you are playing poker or betting on sports. If you play with the percentages in your favor for long periods of time you will always come out ahead even if it doesnt seem like it at the time. Exactly the reason why Vegas makes so much money of seemingly easy games to beat like roulette. They have the advantage of percentages even though it may not seem like it at the time. There are reasons for table limits and thats because they understand that the public is playing right into thier hands.


This is a very good thread for any poker player who doesn't understand why it is so important to know every angle of each hand.

 

[aceduecetrey]

Please tell me you are exaggerating. There is absolutely, positively, no reason to fold pocket aces preflop; especially no limit. I'd go all in for triple my buy-in against 9 players if I could.

I am not avoiding this question and I will answer as to why I made this statement tomm. It has been a long night.

 

[max1234]

Baker,

It would seem like a perfect place to triple up.... or go out on the bubble. AA does not always win and if you've got the chance to lock up some cash why not take it. In my scenario the player holding the AA isn't the chip leader but would go out if he lost that particular hand. Why take the chance? If the AA player was the chip leader or was in great chip position then calling is a no brainer but Royal was asking for a scenario in which laying down AA preflop would be justified.